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WHY AREN'T YOU FUCKERS IN IRC?
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Sooz
They told me I was mad when I said I was going to create a spidertable. Who’s laughing now!!!
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Closeauthor=WIPauthor=SolitayreLook two posts above yours.
Sorry WIP but trying to say Slack is more onerous than IRC couldn't sound more backwards to me.
"I need to get someone to authorize me" vs. "I need to figure out a client, then figure out how to use a thing that's not terribly intuitive"
Single temporary problem vs. STEEP ASS LEARNING CURVE
I mean I like neither of them but Slack is far and away the clear winner in the "user friendliness" contest.
author=Mirak
Speaking of slack who do i ask to authorize me?
Have you signed up via the sign-up page?
UPRC
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author=WIP
Why aren't you fuckers in IRC?
Because Slack is better.
I used to be a big IRC nut for years, but it just can't compare to Slack in my eyes. IRC just feels more dated these days compared to Slack, with the latter feeling way more convenient for general chatting. Steam is also 1000% more user friendly (this may be difficult to forget if you're on IRC often, but it's strange and cumbersome to people who are not). Only area I'd give the edge to IRC over Slack in is bot potential. The only reason I'd probably ever use IRC is if I heard Trihan was running Werewolf games again. No joke.
IRC is a relic these days, and only us old dinosaurs really seem to appreciate it as much as it deserves (if Slack didn't exist, I'd probably still totally come on IRC from time to time). Slack is more modern and easier to use, thus it looks more attractive to younger members and anyone who just doesn't feel like dealing with the intricacies of IRC.
Also:
author=kentona
IRC is blocked at work.
Slack is not.
That.
I hate slack. I'd rather use Mibbit than slack.
If I wasn't so busy this month I'd log into IRC a bit more.
If I wasn't so busy this month I'd log into IRC a bit more.
author=Soozauthor=WIP"I need to get someone to authorize me" vs. "I need to figure out a client, then figure out how to use a thing that's not terribly intuitive"author=SolitayreLook two posts above yours.
Sorry WIP but trying to say Slack is more onerous than IRC couldn't sound more backwards to me.
Single temporary problem vs. STEEP ASS LEARNING CURVE
I mean I like neither of them but Slack is far and away the clear winner in the "user friendliness" contest.
Both clients have learning curves. Slack's is just as complicated, but the client itself onboards the user way better than any IRC client.
author=UPRCauthor=WIPBecause Slack is better.
Why aren't you fuckers in IRC?
I used to be a big IRC nut for years, but it just can't compare to Slack in my eyes. IRC just feels more dated these days compared to Slack, with the latter feeling way more convenient for general chatting. Steam is also 1000% more user friendly (this may be difficult to forget if you're on IRC often, but it's strange and cumbersome to people who are not). Only area I'd give the edge to IRC over Slack in is bot potential. The only reason I'd probably ever use IRC is if I heard Trihan was running Werewolf games again. No joke.
IRC is a dinosaur these days, and only us old dinosaurs really seem to appreciate it as much as it deserves (if Slack didn't exist, I'd probably still totally come on IRC from time to time). Slack is more modern and easier to use, thus it looks more attractive to younger members and anyone who just doesn't feel like dealing with the intricacies of IRC.
Also:
author=kentona
IRC is blocked at work.
Slack is not.
That.
Slack is better if you're an actual organization, not a bunch of randos. It's telling that there is even an authorization page and process. I use Slack a lot for work; I don't see how its benefits are even close to being a pro for a communal conversation engine.
Slack's client is pretty great. Not trying to say it isn't. But it looks entirely like a square peg smashed into a round hole.
author=WIP
I don't know how it doesn't benefit you because that isn't what I said.
You mentioned:
author=WIP
Slack is better if you're an actual organization, not a bunch of randos. It's telling that there is even an authorization page and process. I use Slack a lot for work; I don't see how its benefits are even close to being a pro for a communal conversation engine
I'm merely asking you to elaborate on why it's not beneficial as a communal conversation engine. I mean, I use Slack all the time and I don't see any problems.
What I've noticed; if you use it to actually try to get something done, it works rather well on that front. We can get quick answers to questions we may have, but there's so many of us on it that it gets cumbersome really quickly, and it can be difficult to sift through the mess of random commentary until you find what you're looking for.
author=WIP
Both clients have learning curves. Slack's is just as complicated, but the client itself onboards the user way better than any IRC client.
IRC's problem are mostly clients, which are has too many advanced function for a Random. Tehy look like a coder's paradise at the first, second and third sight. I used to use the direct SynIRC's client, which was basic, like really basic and that was the way I liked it.
For me, It's easier to log in slinky Slack. There are other means of communication like Skype, which I can't stand.
author=Ratty524author=WIPYou mentioned:
I don't know how it doesn't benefit you because that isn't what I said.author=WIP
Slack is better if you're an actual organization, not a bunch of randos. It's telling that there is even an authorization page and process. I use Slack a lot for work; I don't see how its benefits are even close to being a pro for a communal conversation engine
I'm merely asking you to elaborate on why it's not beneficial as a communal conversation engine. I mean, I use Slack all the time and I don't see any problems.
Slack is meant to be heavily managed and optimized for collaboration. You can use its API for advanced bots for linking events from outside systems. It has pinning for important group items and files. It's basically to make sure people doing work have the information and discussion they need readily available. Hence, the invite-only setup.
As far as actual chatting goes, it has some niceties in its client. @-ing and easy to reference emoji are nice. None of those are Slack specific; they're just client features. It's also a generally pretty UI.
There's also some fun limitations from using Slack for free, such as the message limit. Sorry if you wanted logs!
From a pure chat-basis, I don't see how Slack gives any benefits. The client being nicer is a solid argument; but it's overkill and not an appropriate tool.
author=WIPAnd it is literally all the argument one needs.
From a pure chat-basis, I don't see how Slack gives any benefits. The client being nicer is a solid argument
author=WIP
I am quite entertained the argument boils down purely to "Slack is pretty".
Pretty and highly accessible compared to the ugliness of IRC. :)
author=WIP
I am quite entertained the argument boils down purely to "Slack is pretty".
Well yeah. Don't know where you've been this century but UX/UI are like 99% of what makes any app worth using
author=Ratty524I still don't buy the argument that Slack is "more accessible" than IRC. btw plz fill out the slack invitation form randos thxauthor=WIPPretty and highly accessible compared to the ugliness of IRC. :)
I am quite entertained the argument boils down purely to "Slack is pretty".
author=Yellow MagicYour hyperbole is noted, but I also wasn't disagreeing. I am just not surprised this community would take a tool unfit for their end goal and wrangle it to the point of acceptance. It is the RPG Maker way.author=WIPWell yeah. Don't know where you've been this century but UX/UI are like 99% of what makes any app worth using
I am quite entertained the argument boils down purely to "Slack is pretty".
author=WIPI wouldn't say Slack's unfit at all - end of the day we're a game development community, so there's no reason Slack can't be used "as intended".
Your hyperbole is noted, but I also wasn't disagreeing. I am just not surprised this community would take a tool unfit for their end goal and wrangle it to the point of acceptance. It is the RPG Maker way.
For example, check out this screenshot:
Note:
(1) Multiple channels of communication within one Slack group. Gamedev stuff goes in the gamedev channels so it doesn't get mixed up with the more general chatter.
(2) Quick feedback in the #screenshot channel - people don't have to click on the image URL to see the full thing. Also, that image thumbnail animates!
I'll brainstorm other ways of making Slack more productive for game developers when I am not stupidly busy with stupid shit.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
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author=WIPAnd we're damn proud of it!
I am just not surprised this community would take a tool unfit for their end goal and wrangle it to the point of acceptance. It is the RPG Maker way.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
Discord is just like Slack but without the authentication process for new members.
Or maybe it's just like Slack in every conceivable way. I'm not sure.
The link in the website footer to "#rpgmaker.net IRC" should probably be replaced by a more general link to "Chat with RMN Users" that has instructions for connecting to both IRC and Slack. Right now the link to join the Slack group is in a topic that's not even stickied which is insane since it's been roughly 50x more popular than the IRC channel for going on a year now.
Or maybe it's just like Slack in every conceivable way. I'm not sure.
The link in the website footer to "#rpgmaker.net IRC" should probably be replaced by a more general link to "Chat with RMN Users" that has instructions for connecting to both IRC and Slack. Right now the link to join the Slack group is in a topic that's not even stickied which is insane since it's been roughly 50x more popular than the IRC channel for going on a year now.
eplipswich
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No offense, but IRC has already become pretty outdated in this era, especially for this young generation.
