STRUCTURE MAFIA [NIGHT 3]

Kloe
Frogge on DEAD ivory.

O.O

Necromafia!

I guess we'll know if your vote shows up on the votecount.

author=Cap_H
I think Snowfox is threatened by a modkill. And Ozzy plays like scum (or a non-invested newbie).

If is on Cave too methinks.

I'm more invested than you think, I just don't know what to post. I've read all the posts so far and my opinion is the following:

One of IF or CAVE is scum, both have cases put against them.

author=Cap_H
We got two camps which stand firm against each other right now. Both camps need three more votes to hammer.
We can't wait for snowfox with a miraculous piece of evidence.
The reasons people are voting for IF is that Piano got the message about double voter (it means that Cave can be lynched with mere five votes).
The evidence against Cave is that he's a good player.

I think, OSO's name is clue too. I can't trust Kloe on this.

Could you elaborate on why OSO could be a clue? I'm interested in this theory.

author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
which ""case"" do you find more appealing

That is hard to say, being a newbie on this, I don't think I have the proper experience to go with my gut. I don't even have a gut feeling at the moment. I did suspect Kloe for quite some time but when she claimed doctor and got confirmed by odd, my gut feeling disappeared.

One significant other
(Search for it on Urban for better explanations)

I know that Delta Force confirmed Kloe's doc claim. That's not a town confirmation, just an ability confirmation. Kloe has been playing like town. I'm convinced on her.

OddRABBIT, blessedly, has been far more productive this game than he has in past games.

InfectionFiles...I have little doubt is scum, but I've learned not to trust my reasoning in this game: I want to make sure.

CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK: I've already said it. I've made my points, I think they're strong, but I don't think it's actually a case. It's a feeling that's so strong, I just feel I have to go with it.

Cap_H If Delta Force hadn't confirmed him not scum, I'd swear he was. He's on everyone.

Snowfox, I have legitimate reason to believe is not scum, but they need to start talking.

Ozzy, plays like new town trying to be productive. He doesn't post often, but tries to post meaningful comments. He's also posting less and less as more accusations hit him, but still tries to remain productive. This indicates timid town.

psy_wombats has been playing fast and loose. We've already seen examples of him playing scum and being ultra-careful, and then playing town and being careless. This is consistent with town behavior.

Apparently, because Frogge can't join chats, he's precluded from joining teams. I don't think a moderator would actually allow this situation, but we'll roll with it for now.

We have a math problem, as I've already pointed out. I can reasonably confirm that.

I can confirm that at least three of the above people are not scum; Cap_H and two of the Delta Force members. I'm mostly certain that all of the Delta Force members are not scum, so I will just say that 4 people are definitely not scum. Kloe's claim checks out, and she acts like she usually does. Kloe's played scum before and she's an easy scum read. We all know this about her. So that's five who we can reasonably presume are not scum. Odd has given us so much useful information that has actually helped us, that if he were scum, they'd be murdering him themselves by now. His own team can't be pleased about this, but speaking of which, Kloe hasn't helped their situation much, being basically unable to keep a secret, either, but it's been a great help to the rest of us, to me with my ability in particular. So there's six. Then there's me, who all of Delta Force has the irrefutable statement that I am town. There's seven.

That leaves InfectionFiles, Frogge, and Cave. Only one of these people is not scum. The only way any other two posited theories works is if:

A) Of four unit teams, the only one with four does not have the traitor and one of the ones with three does. In which case, either Delta or the other unknown (decimated, by the death toll) team has the traitor.

B) There are two scum in Team Oso.

So, why would Gourd make three teams of three, and one team of four, and put the traitor in one of the teams of three? We know this is the case because enough people have claimed no-team that it's impossible for two teams to have four members: Me, Cap_H, Frogge, and TangledLion.

Two, why would Gourd put two traitors in one of the teams? Gourd hinted at a traitor. I suppose it's possible that there is no traitor, but again, that gives us a math problem. That would mean that the remaining two scum are among me, Cap_H, Cave, and Frogge. If we're going to insist that we're all town, it doesn't work. I'm confirmed to three people, two of whom I know for a fact to be town, and those people confirmed Cap_H. That leaves Cave and Frogge. Cave can't be scum (or can he?) because he was the super-hero on day one. Frogge can't be scum (or can he?) because he can't chat in QuickTopic (There's no way around this?).

So, we have three groups: Delta Force, Team Oso, and no-team. Two of these groups have a scum in them. In Delta Force, it can't be the two most productive members, who are about to use their powers in such a way that they can't escaped being outed as scum if any of them are. Because if one of them is scum, we'll night lynch him. I get a vote in whatever team I've tapped into so the townies can't be overruled. Plus, I'm immune to that vote once I'm tapped in. Nobody has any objections to that situation. You'd think everyone clamoring to check their own group and find out if there are any scum would be a terrible idea to support if you're scum, but they're all quite enthusiastic about it. Chomping at the bit, I'd say.

So if nobody in Delta Force is scum, it has to be one of the other two groups. So Kloe, if IF's not scum, it's either you or odd. The rest of you, if Frogge isn't scum, it has to be Cave. Two people on the thread have moderator confirmation. Me, and Cap_H. Cap_H could be the indie. I was specifically identified as town to Delta Force. I'm the Radio Tuner.

So who is it?

It is one of the confirmed? Is it one of the people who, if they are scum, are marching cheerfully into the sword to confirm town status?

My remaining scum team is Cave and IF. Who's yours?

author=pianotm
Apparently, because Frogge can't join chats, he's precluded from joining teams. I don't think a moderator would actually allow this situation, but we'll roll with it for now.

Let's not roll with it for now. You're honestly going to take an off-hand comment about Frogge's ability to join chats at face value? Does this mean that Frogge is now confirmed town every game he plays? There's no way a moderator would allow this. "Oh you rolled scum? reroll"

Like it'd be trivially easy to set up a random vanilla php install somewhere, or find a quicktopic clone, or use a shoutbox from circa 2007, whatever.

#cancel
#lynch InfectionFiles

We can at least agree on this, right?

Frogge
Quick question, by traitor do you mean independent?

Psy, how can you think someone who's been paying this little attention could possibly be scum?

No, Frogge. Gourd has indicated that there's a scum member in one of the mason Units.