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CloseLooks like I'm the only one up. Let me just make a post about my thoughts on everyone so far, before I turn out.
Me: I guess I don't really have much to defend myself on, other than I feel like I was pretty qualified to out Oddrabbit based on past experience. If I hadn't jumped on the bandwagon, I think it could have easily fizzled out. Other than that, I guess, I'm trying to be pretty helpful.
Cave: His initial lynch of Odd was well based, and not a joke. Also, his dialogue thus far seems legit.
LockeZ: Pretty much everything known about him is that he can't do much otherwise he'll be less useful. Still, he hasn't made many comments either.
Psy: I am leaning towards town as time goes on. He's too helpful. He's made some good and insightful comments lately.
YM: He was number 2 on the oddrabbit murdertrain. He didn't try to weasle out and say it was a joke, or start looking elsewhere - and he had time before the hammer came down.
Gourd: Eventually joined murdertrain, but some comments made only seemed to make sense if they already knew the outcome and was hoping it would make them look better.
And, if I'm wrong about Cave and/or YM, well, then it's so much up in the air that we're doomed.
If Gourd turns out to be town, then LockeZ and Psy are on the block (imo)
If Gourd isn't, we might want to focus on this comment? It's potential anti-redirection.
Me: I guess I don't really have much to defend myself on, other than I feel like I was pretty qualified to out Oddrabbit based on past experience. If I hadn't jumped on the bandwagon, I think it could have easily fizzled out. Other than that, I guess, I'm trying to be pretty helpful.
Cave: His initial lynch of Odd was well based, and not a joke. Also, his dialogue thus far seems legit.
LockeZ: Pretty much everything known about him is that he can't do much otherwise he'll be less useful. Still, he hasn't made many comments either.
Psy: I am leaning towards town as time goes on. He's too helpful. He's made some good and insightful comments lately.
YM: He was number 2 on the oddrabbit murdertrain. He didn't try to weasle out and say it was a joke, or start looking elsewhere - and he had time before the hammer came down.
Gourd: Eventually joined murdertrain, but some comments made only seemed to make sense if they already knew the outcome and was hoping it would make them look better.
And, if I'm wrong about Cave and/or YM, well, then it's so much up in the air that we're doomed.
author=Gourd_Clae
If town will be fine, then I'm okay with being lynched today if you guys take a long hard look at LockeZ's really weird role that allows him to disadvantage town and simultaneously leaves no indication (with votes) how he feels about other players.
If Gourd turns out to be town, then LockeZ and Psy are on the block (imo)
If Gourd isn't, we might want to focus on this comment? It's potential anti-redirection.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
If I'm being flipfloppy about my power it's because I don't want scum to know what it is. Or how good it is. Or anything about it, really.
I only shared the part about requiring me not to vote because I knew that not voting for two days in a row would draw attention anyway, especially while actively participating and naming people I think are scum. Which is a thing I've been doing, so you can't accuse me of "not leaving a trail" or whatever, even if you think my case against Cavedog is bullshit (It's not, his first vote against oddRABBIT was before oddRABBIT had posted anything worth responding to, Cavedog did not expect it to gain traction, and I still think he's scum).
I only shared the part about requiring me not to vote because I knew that not voting for two days in a row would draw attention anyway, especially while actively participating and naming people I think are scum. Which is a thing I've been doing, so you can't accuse me of "not leaving a trail" or whatever, even if you think my case against Cavedog is bullshit (It's not, his first vote against oddRABBIT was before oddRABBIT had posted anything worth responding to, Cavedog did not expect it to gain traction, and I still think he's scum).
I was re-reading the thread.
Assuming LockeZ has a point, and that Cave isn't Town, AND we're actually at 5v1 right now...
Cave starting the murdertrain makes certain kinds of sense - it would be an awesome cover that just turned out even better. Recall, he was focused on Frogge until he exploded, and only went back to Odd when there was like 2 hours left. I know he's said that this tactic is usually a net loss, but if there were only two bad guys at the start, this might have been an all-eggs-in-one-basket plan.
So far, Lockez is the only person that's tried to make a real case for Cave, which I find... It makes me trust Lockez more. It was something we'd all taken for granted, but instead of going with a flow, he tried to poke at something potentially dangerous we all overlooked. If we've all been taking for granted that Cave is town, I hope to God we're in a 5v1 situation, and not 4v2...
Also, me and YM are the only people who've voted for now. I think people should get on their accusations soon.
Assuming LockeZ has a point, and that Cave isn't Town, AND we're actually at 5v1 right now...
Cave starting the murdertrain makes certain kinds of sense - it would be an awesome cover that just turned out even better. Recall, he was focused on Frogge until he exploded, and only went back to Odd when there was like 2 hours left. I know he's said that this tactic is usually a net loss, but if there were only two bad guys at the start, this might have been an all-eggs-in-one-basket plan.
So far, Lockez is the only person that's tried to make a real case for Cave, which I find... It makes me trust Lockez more. It was something we'd all taken for granted, but instead of going with a flow, he tried to poke at something potentially dangerous we all overlooked. If we've all been taking for granted that Cave is town, I hope to God we're in a 5v1 situation, and not 4v2...
Also, me and YM are the only people who've voted for now. I think people should get on their accusations soon.
Ayy sorry I was asleep!
It looks like no-one else is feeling the psy vote, which is fair enough when I think about it.
It looks like no-one else is feeling the psy vote, which is fair enough when I think about it.
author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACKauthor=Yellow MagicCould be a double-bluff? ....idk tbh. I still find it really weird that Psy role-claimed for Day 1, but at the same time it's true that he could have easily thrown oddRABBIT under the bus, and that is probably more likely.
this ignores like, the psychology around how scum players act (generally they want to fit in with the crowd, not make waves, YM knows this, as he has been scum in the past 239420 games)
I also don't know what this meta is with psy not making mistakes, considering he gave piano the go-ahead to fucking kill me after I slam dunked two mafia from outer space in structure mafia
the why frogge why thing feels manufactured to me too.
#lynch psy_wombats
LockeZ, if we're at 4 Town and 2 Scum, then a mislynch today probably costs us the game. Might be a good idea to reveal your role at this point? Or is it STILL too important to reveal?
Why are canceling if you think it's more likely that he bussed.
more importantly
Ordinarly I tend to view people who gun for me as town, but in this case, I am thinking the opposite since Lockez "cases" are founded on historical revisionisms and in some cases straight up lies, like saying I was the fourth on the bandwagon and gave no reasoning. and then switching to "well it was never a serious push." and characterizing it as a joke for "forgetting that i get irritated about balancing" even though I gave like four reasons for killing odd. and is now saying
my case on oddrabbit quoted like the only post he made that had actually THINGS in it. after that he just gave up and died, in an almost exact replica of what happened last game. except this time I did not kill kloe. but only because she wasn't playing. But also, it would be extremely weird for me to not expect the case to gain traction and also make multiple posts saying "odd scum kill odd" afterwards.
point is that lockez reads to me like scum that latched onto something and is afraid to let go for fear of looking like a coward criminal and is instead doubling down on something he knows is bad because he possesses human eyes capable of reading.
there's also this.
if you are okay with gourd dying, how do you also think that he was targeted by a scum power.
more importantly
author=Hexatona
So far, Lockez is the only person that's tried to make a real case for Cave, which I find... It makes me trust Lockez more. It was something we'd all taken for granted, but instead of going with a flow, he tried to poke at something potentially dangerous we all overlooked. If we've all been taking for granted that Cave is town, I hope to God we're in a 5v1 situation, and not 4v2...
Ordinarly I tend to view people who gun for me as town, but in this case, I am thinking the opposite since Lockez "cases" are founded on historical revisionisms and in some cases straight up lies, like saying I was the fourth on the bandwagon and gave no reasoning. and then switching to "well it was never a serious push." and characterizing it as a joke for "forgetting that i get irritated about balancing" even though I gave like four reasons for killing odd. and is now saying
author=LockeZ
(It's not, his first vote against oddRABBIT was before oddRABBIT had posted anything worth responding to, Cavedog did not expect it to gain traction, and I still think he's scum).
my case on oddrabbit quoted like the only post he made that had actually THINGS in it. after that he just gave up and died, in an almost exact replica of what happened last game. except this time I did not kill kloe. but only because she wasn't playing. But also, it would be extremely weird for me to not expect the case to gain traction and also make multiple posts saying "odd scum kill odd" afterwards.
point is that lockez reads to me like scum that latched onto something and is afraid to let go for fear of looking like a coward criminal and is instead doubling down on something he knows is bad because he possesses human eyes capable of reading.
there's also this.
author=LockeZauthor=Gourd_ClaeNo, I said that the power of cancelling out your vote was a scummy role. I also said that's not my power.
You literally said a few pages ago that you agreed your role was scummy??
I will admit that I didn't understand it though.
author=LockeZ
I'm definitely fine with lynching gourd, though you'll forgive me if I don't actually join the lynch, because role shenanigans. My power is potentially pretty helpful, so I'm only gonna vote if it's a tiebreaker between someone I think is scum and someone I think is town. If the only thing my vote does is make me look better in posterity then fuck it.
if you are okay with gourd dying, how do you also think that he was targeted by a scum power.
I actually can't read that last thing as anything but a slip. #lynch lockez
sidenote: i also think lockez would be smart enough as town to not keep hinting about HOW GOOD HIS ROLE IS if he was town.
sidenote: i also think lockez would be smart enough as town to not keep hinting about HOW GOOD HIS ROLE IS if he was town.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
I think that the power of canceling out someone's vote is a scummy role. That doesn't mean anyone actually has that power. I think there's a very strong possibility that Gourd saw two other vote-manipulating powers in the game, realized it was plausible there might be more, and saw a chance to make himself look like a victim. His claim of being unable to vote has a pretty strong "OH YES ME TOO" kind of feel to it.
If he can convince me that he was actually targeted with that effect and isn't just making it up, then I'll believe him. I guess the only way that happens is if someone else gets hit with it. Then we know it's a real power. But with three people having committed seppuku already, we can't really afford to wait and find out.
If he can convince me that he was actually targeted with that effect and isn't just making it up, then I'll believe him. I guess the only way that happens is if someone else gets hit with it. Then we know it's a real power. But with three people having committed seppuku already, we can't really afford to wait and find out.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
Also now that I've said so, if Gourd survives the lynching today and is town, there's basically no way in hell that scum will be able use the power again, because they'd be confirming him as town. So essentially this train of thought is pretty much useless, and nothing will be confirmed, because that power won't be used a second time no matter what, whether it exists or not.
i think if gourd wanted to make up something up about his role he would have perhaps said he was a brutal cop that could target everyone in the game at once as long as he made it to night 2.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
I have it on good authority that Kloe thinks that's a balanced and fair role.
author=LockeZauthor=Gourd_ClaeOh man, +vote and -vote powers EVERYWHERE in this game apparently.
...So LockeZ threw out my vote? XD
No, that's not what my power is. Someone else did that.
sounds like you believed it here.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
Yeah, my initial reaction wasn't disbelief. It's a believable power. But if he's scum then he must be lying about it. And after thinking more about it, I decided that him lying about it is pretty believable too.
psy_wombats
13315
I don't know why scum-Gourd would make up that his vote was eaten. Lying about that buys him nothing, really, unless he's trying to suss out who the vote-canceller is. It was possibly piano (although he sounded like he'd be cancelling night actions not votes but w/e). I don't see any direct slipup in LockeZ's description of his abilities ("costing town a vote" being his vote) but I don't really buy the logic about scum avoiding vote cancellation because it'd confirm Gourd. That just looks like misdirection. I also don't like pushing the cave case -- that seems to be a scum strategy this game.
LockeZ hinted at his power really early, before it started to look like a no-vanilla game. The only reason I think town-LockeZ would do that is if he was trying to draw the nightkill because it was a death-activated power similar to mine, which would also explain why he's on board with my claim. @LockeZ: is that the case? I am probably voting against you otherwise. I also assume your scumteam is Gourd/CAVE?
Gourd's starting to look more townish to me which is a little worrying because I'm still not convinced about YM.
@YM: Who's your pick for scumteam?
LockeZ hinted at his power really early, before it started to look like a no-vanilla game. The only reason I think town-LockeZ would do that is if he was trying to draw the nightkill because it was a death-activated power similar to mine, which would also explain why he's on board with my claim. @LockeZ: is that the case? I am probably voting against you otherwise. I also assume your scumteam is Gourd/CAVE?
Gourd's starting to look more townish to me which is a little worrying because I'm still not convinced about YM.
@YM: Who's your pick for scumteam?
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
"LockeZ are you trying to trick the scum team in this very specific way Y/N? I will kill you if you don't answer."
What kind of stupid-ass question is that? You want me to tell scum exactly how to neutralize my power? Holy shit dude. You're not even trying to look like town. You are just blatantly admitting to being scum and trying to get info out of me that only helps scum. I take back whatever I said about your roleclaim making you look innocent; any evidence I had for you being town pales in the face of this post.
What kind of stupid-ass question is that? You want me to tell scum exactly how to neutralize my power? Holy shit dude. You're not even trying to look like town. You are just blatantly admitting to being scum and trying to get info out of me that only helps scum. I take back whatever I said about your roleclaim making you look innocent; any evidence I had for you being town pales in the face of this post.
Well, things seem to have stalled, so will a double lynch screw us if we're wrong? With so few people, I'd rather not.
Everyone, pick something at least.
Everyone, pick something at least.
psy_wombats
13315
It's more like if you /were/ you trying to trick scumteam, it's not all that relevant at possible lylo. It would benefit scum to know if you were vengeful or something if you weren't likely to be lynched today, similar to claiming before a daykill. If you're a mislynch, that's possibly game over tomorrow with the vote cancellation going around. The information benefits /us/ (or at least me) by determining whether it's a mislynch. I'm thinking it's not. I don't understand why you take offense now, but volunteer twice about it 1) existing and 2) requiring your nonvote (no one mentioned your not leaving a trail). Also, what's your scumteam?
(I also forgot Gourd can't vote so at the moment there's only two votes versus a required three)
And I'm pretty much sure there are three scum. Kloe mentioned town was doomed, 5v1 is not doomed. Judging by her approach to getting the game reviewed/balanced, I don't think she'd deviate from the "standard" number of scum just because lower playercount.
(I also forgot Gourd can't vote so at the moment there's only two votes versus a required three)
And I'm pretty much sure there are three scum. Kloe mentioned town was doomed, 5v1 is not doomed. Judging by her approach to getting the game reviewed/balanced, I don't think she'd deviate from the "standard" number of scum just because lower playercount.
psy_wombats
13315
@Hex: We should have something like 24 hours left right? I don't think we're in any huge danger of double lynch.
I'll put down for LockeZ eventually but I'm not sure with Gourd as a nonvoter whether that'd put us within a vote of hammer.
I'll put down for LockeZ eventually but I'm not sure with Gourd as a nonvoter whether that'd put us within a vote of hammer.
