JITTERY WHEN HUNGRY?

ya i try homie

If it's a question of accessibility due to finance; most definitely.

I grew up dirt poor and carbs are literally the all around cheapest and most accessible foodstuff vice the lack of being able to afford much else. "I'm too poor to eat meats and fruits and veggies so I eat carbs instead because I'm loaded with money/cash rules everything around me/stacks on stacks on stacks" isn't really a thing. It's the opposite. Part of the reason why poverty is linked to obesity so strongly is because of the over representation of simple carbohydrates in a low income diet and Western diets as a whole.

author=Pancaek
Poor and rich people exist all of the globe. I grew up in the united states, and my family wasn't living on the streets or anything, but we didn't have a great income, to say the least.

This is absolutely correct, and I don't mean to sound like a jerk here, but what does that have to do with what I stated? Rich and poor people exist all around the globe, but the phenomenon of low income families/individuals having a disproportionate diet of simple carbs is a mainly Western thing. Eating too many carbs, period, is a mainly Western thing. It's a reasonable thing to assume as possibly true, but I never once said that it was certainly true.

author=Pancaek
But seriously, someone living in a western country doesn't mean they eat too much, nor does it have anything to do with the topic.

I never implied that TC eats too much. If anything, TC may be undereating, and like I said, even if someone is undereating, someone can still have a disproportionately high simple calorie consumption. I didn't say TC was eating too much. I said if TC is living in a Western country, TC is very likely to be eating too many carbs, which is statistically likely for not only TC, but is statistically likely and probable for every single one of us also living in a Western country.

Keep in mind that I definitely never said that any of this definitely applies to TC. Keep in mind the very important keyword I used: IF.

author=Pancaek
If you wanted to know if they eat too much, just ask them.

If the TC (whoever that may be) makes a topic about a subject, and I (or anyone else) in this topic gives advice that isn't applicable to TC's situation, they are free to (and should) just skip over it, as opposed to zeroing in on every untrue assumption and going "HEY MISTER THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO ME AND YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE CONSIDERED IT POSSIBLY DOING SO"

Seriously, if you're asking for general advice and someone gives you generalized advice based on a bunch of generalizations to begin with, just skip it if it doesn't apply. Isn't this common sense in any conversation?

author=Pancaek
it's about your jab at western civilizations eating too much.

But it's not a jab, it's a true statement, and I'll say it again; the Western diet (as in, most Western countries, not just America) are very carb heavy. It's true, empirically so, with no sentiment or judgement attached. That statement is what it is, and is correct to the best of my (and the legions of people who study and track it) knowledge.

It's not saying 'Western civilization people eat too much' or 'Westerners are fatties'. It can be expanded to, and I later added that 'Western civilization is carb heavy, and carbohydrates are often disproportionately consumed by low income families which is partially the cause of obesity in that demographic', but even that is getting off the TC and into trivia.

While I could have worded it better the statement of 'Western diets are carb heavy' is absolutely true, and I'm standing by it. It takes like two seconds to fact check it if you're unsure, or hell, prove me wrong.

author=Feld
kely eats too much as it is.

author=Feldschlacht IV
I never implied that TC eats too much.

You got me there, and I did word that poorly. While it's statistically likely that TC may eat too much if TC lives in the West, it wasn't intended to be a blanket statement to definitely imply about the TC.

All in all my words are being twisted up, due to some parts that are my fault, but I still stand by what I said; unless someone gives wrong information, if someone gives information that isn't applicable to you, just skip it.

Yes! Facts and figures. Here we go.

Ah, but all carbs aren't made alike. What about their consumption of simple carbs, which I outlined previously in this topic (but perhaps not enough)? Al carbs aren't made alike; maize and a pastry are both carbs, but nutritionally very different. And don't forget the relative amount of sugar and other insulin sensitive foods in the mix as well. African countries aren't very sedentary (like Western countries) and they eat significantly less on average.

Also an important blurb from your link

author=Link
In countries with high poverty levels, the reliance is on low-cost foods which are often starchy and carbohydrate heavy. Meat consumption, though increasing in recent years, is typically very low due to the expense. These dietary habits help, in part, to explain the high level of malnutrition noted (particularly in children) within these countries; malnutrition is linked to high carb, low protein diets.

I never said (and if I did, I should't have) that Western diets are THE HIGHEST carb consumers in the world, but it is high, especially in simple carbs, and contributes to poor nutrition overall and your link shows that as well. A big reason why many of those countries also don't have an obesity epidemic is because they just don't eat that much, period. But I never wanted to imply that TC was overweight, either.

I am starting to see that I made too many assumptions in this topic and forgot I wasn't on r/fitness.

author=Pancaek
Sure, but that's not what we were talking about. You asked me to prove you wrong that western countries were carb-heavy.

And you did. I should amend my statement that Western diets are heavy in simple carbs (and sugar, and low activity), and even in high carb, low obesity nations that are adopting simple carbs are skyrocketing in obesity. Like I said, I made too many assumptions with that statement.

author=Pancaek
I'm a bit lost to why we're actually talking about this.

Why not? It's fun; there's no animosity here. But if you're saying the convo ran its course, then yeah I might agree with that.

As a side note, I think it's pretty funny that the OP was pretty much "Nah it's cool dudes, it's not even that serious".