[MAFIA] - SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI {GAME OVER}

Well, I mean, it is my faction/team/group/gang/etc. They're all valid terms... Not sure why you're hung up on that.


As for the power thing, I did explain:
Night 0 - I thought there were only three 'factions': Law, Chaos, possible other - and thought it'd be stupid to use it in that time just in case I blocked a useful power.
Night 1 - I slept through most of night phase. I've not been well. :shrug:
I can understand that that would see suspicious, though, and if you want to aim on me based on that it's understandable (and logical).

Also, yes, it's complicated.

...Humility and chaos are both scum, and neutral is neutral. She's definitely not town.

To clarify, your comment that you lose if unspecified good guys are outnumbered by Chaos and Humility suggests that you have a win condition separate from unspecified good guys, and since you are obviously specified in your own role PM, you are not a good guy, specified, or otherwise.

Zeuzio
piano, I don't get that logic. If lockez loses if "good guys", presumably law factions, are outnumbered by chaos factions, how does that make him not law-aligned? Or at least not want to help law win.

He could by lying about it of course, but for right now Kloe is our best lead thanks to frogge's information.

No, he doesn't lose if "good guys" are outnumbered by Chaos and Humility. He loses if "unspecified good guys" are outnumbered by Chaos and Humility. I DO think he's lying about his win condition. And no, Kloe's not a good lead. Frogge needs her to achieve her win condition in order to win. Frogge is a much better lead, in that case. We're lynching based on LockeZ's logic. Scumteam knows who scumteam is, and LockeZ is specifically not going after Frogge, in spite of the fact that the logic he uses to go after Kloe clearly damns Frogge.

It is an assumption, but it is also likely true. Frogges condition is that he loses if humility, chaos, and neutral fail to achieve their own win condition. Lockez condition is he loses if outnumbered by humility or chaos.

Assuming all of this information is correct, we can assume frogge is chaos, humility, or neutral aligned. I don't think frogge completely understands his own alignment, which is why he has been so helpful to town. If frogges power is true, then his latest investigation tells us that kloe is also chaos, humility, or neutral aligned.

In this scenario, I feel as though kloe is the better target. If she comes back town, then frogge has lied. If she comes back as scum or neutral, then frogge has told us the truth thus far. In either scenario, a lynch will reveal to us the truth about a faction, and likely its alignment as well.

I'm fine with switching my lynch to frogge. We'd need to lynch him eventually either way based off my assumptions. I don't think he was lying about kloe either because of his confusion, so I'm thinking they'll both be eventual targets.

Well, my guess is that frogge is neutral with a chaos slant, based on his win-con. If he were straight up chaos I doubt he would have been so confused at his alignment nor would he have shared as much information as he did, fake or no. He has been really helpful though, especially with determining how many alignments there are, and I know he was correct about about what alignments hikitsune is not at the very least.

Honestly, if y'all want to lynch frogge now, I'd be okay with it. I just doubt he can do much by himself to hinder law.

#lynch Kloe

@Kloe: I think you're chaos because you're dancing around giving your alignment. You were worried about "millers" before on D1 when Liberty brought it up -- are you neutral? If so I think there are better leads for today. Or even if you're Humility. I'm not convinced Humility is law-aligned or just tied into specifically LockeZ's lose condition.

@LockeZ: re: your lose condition... Well, it's a lose condition, not a win condition. I think the "good guys" thing isn't much a tell, but I don't think the inverse is your win condition. As in, I don't think killing all chaos (or humility?) leads you to win the game.

@Zeuzio: Frogge said he didn't know his alignment or something like that? Maybe that makes him "patience" haha -- wait and see what your alignment is.

@Frogge: I'm starting to wonder about your PM wording. "Requisite" would mean that Kloe /has/ to win in order for you to win. I originally assumed she had to be chaos/humility/neutral because those win conditions were essentially your conditions. But assuming chaos/humility/neutral all have different win conditions, Kloe winning wouldn't strictly be required for you to win. For instance, if she was neutral and lost, but chaos and humility both won and none of the other factions did. You'd still win. Can you reread your role and investigation PMs to see if that holds up? Because I don't see how her win could possible be "requisite."