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[MAFIA] - SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI {GAME OVER}
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Zeuzio
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author=Frogge
Anyway, doesn't it make more sense to lynch demonlord? It is confirmed that hikitsune is either law, patience or charity, and demonlord does not share alignment with him.
That just means that demonlord could be chaos-aligned, or just not the same law-aligned team hikit and I are.
demonlord5000
680
I would consider myself a low priority target now. On one hand, we have you who shares a win condition with scum, making it extremely likely we are lynching the correct person. On the other, we have me using my bus power every day, and if you look back I have always been checking for scum/humility by using kloe/liberty as the point for my search.
Even if I am not aligned with zeuzio or hikitsune, the odds of me being scum are lower than yours.
Even if I am not aligned with zeuzio or hikitsune, the odds of me being scum are lower than yours.
psy_wombats
13315
Sorry, was out for a day.
Anyway, I can confirm that while the role of Lucifer is dead, there's actually still the same number of chaos players in the game. I don't know Lucifer's primary ability, but there's a second part where basically on death, Lucifer can change one person's alignment to chaos. However, killing off Lucifer does make it so chaos can't nightkill anyone.
With no nightkill, it should be safe to say I'm YHWH, backup name Uriel -- law-aligned. The win condition for my partner and I is to kill Lucifer and Lucifer's recruit, with a requirement to kill Lucifer before LYLO. We're at at least a partial win, but I'm not sure if the "end of the world" counts as an additional lose condition for me or not. So I'm looking for chaos players first, not chaos-aligned players (humility, it looks like, but there should only be one of those left and they've already won).
@Frogge I think you're some weirdo neutral. If you were chaos on day 1, you wouldn't have given us the info needed to kill Kloe. However, I'm starting to think your alignment could have eventually revealed to you to be chaos which is why you've stopped giving info. You say you lost your ability for night 2. What about night 3?
@Zeuzio YM is law-aligned (although not necessarily law) because he jumped on Liberty very early.
And @everyone voting Frogge, yeah, at least hammer him until we get info thanks.
Anyway, I can confirm that while the role of Lucifer is dead, there's actually still the same number of chaos players in the game. I don't know Lucifer's primary ability, but there's a second part where basically on death, Lucifer can change one person's alignment to chaos. However, killing off Lucifer does make it so chaos can't nightkill anyone.
With no nightkill, it should be safe to say I'm YHWH, backup name Uriel -- law-aligned. The win condition for my partner and I is to kill Lucifer and Lucifer's recruit, with a requirement to kill Lucifer before LYLO. We're at at least a partial win, but I'm not sure if the "end of the world" counts as an additional lose condition for me or not. So I'm looking for chaos players first, not chaos-aligned players (humility, it looks like, but there should only be one of those left and they've already won).
@Frogge I think you're some weirdo neutral. If you were chaos on day 1, you wouldn't have given us the info needed to kill Kloe. However, I'm starting to think your alignment could have eventually revealed to you to be chaos which is why you've stopped giving info. You say you lost your ability for night 2. What about night 3?
@Zeuzio YM is law-aligned (although not necessarily law) because he jumped on Liberty very early.
And @everyone voting Frogge, yeah, at least hammer him until we get info thanks.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
@Zeuzio: I'm assuming Yellow Magic is law-aligned because he led the charge against Liberty. No one was suspicious of her at all until he pointed out that he knew her claim was false and voted for her. It's vaguely plausible that he bussed her, but I'm not sure why he'd do that in a game where there's a bus-detecting power and where she was under zero suspicion.
@psy: Talking about a "partial win" makes me kinda believe you, because my team had a similar half-win condition (for discovering Lucifer's identity). Unfortunately if you're right about Lucifer's power then every single person in the game is a suspect again. And also, we should even be suspicious of our team members that we're in private chat with - they could be turned without us knowing.
The problem with this theory is that, before Liberty died, we'd cleared every single person of chaos-alignment except for you, Frogge, and Demonlord. So if there was more than one chaos player at the beginning of the game, the second one has to be one of those three people.
Demonlord's on my team. He was not chaos.
So if you're telling the truth, then either Frogge is the second chaos member, or there was only one chaos member to begin with.
@psy: Talking about a "partial win" makes me kinda believe you, because my team had a similar half-win condition (for discovering Lucifer's identity). Unfortunately if you're right about Lucifer's power then every single person in the game is a suspect again. And also, we should even be suspicious of our team members that we're in private chat with - they could be turned without us knowing.
The problem with this theory is that, before Liberty died, we'd cleared every single person of chaos-alignment except for you, Frogge, and Demonlord. So if there was more than one chaos player at the beginning of the game, the second one has to be one of those three people.
Demonlord's on my team. He was not chaos.
So if you're telling the truth, then either Frogge is the second chaos member, or there was only one chaos member to begin with.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
@Yellow Magic: You can confirm whether or not psy is telling the truth, right?
Has anyone cross-checked psy? Frogge is a tempting lynch but I need a refresher on everyone else in this game.
demonlord5000
680
I used my bus power before and confirmed hes not humility. He could still be chaos though.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
Here's a refresher of everything we know so far.
I went ahead and filled in "No" for Charity for everyone who isn't on my team, since Demonlord5000 and I are the Charity team.
I also took the liberty of assuming that Hikitsune-Red and Zeuzio are Patience rather than Law. (This assumption could potentially be wrong, but it seems irrelevant anyway. They're one of the town-side teams. I'm gonna call it Patience.)
I went ahead and filled in "No" for Charity for everyone who isn't on my team, since Demonlord5000 and I are the Charity team.
I also took the liberty of assuming that Hikitsune-Red and Zeuzio are Patience rather than Law. (This assumption could potentially be wrong, but it seems irrelevant anyway. They're one of the town-side teams. I'm gonna call it Patience.)
demonlord5000
680
Grabbing info from the other chat, here's where we stand. I posted this earlier for me and lockez benefit, but now that it's known that we are a team, and I don't need to be secretive as to give away my partners identity, here's what I got.
Me, lockez, zeuzio, hikitsune, oddrabbit (for chaos), ratty (for chaos), psy (for humility), yellow is unlikely because of catching liberty but not proven, nessy (for chaos).
If there is no parenthesis, then that means we are clear of both chaos and humility. However if it's like oddrabbit (for chaos), then that means he has been cleared of being chaos, but not humility.
If psy comes back as town, then this list is null and we are going to have to reanalyze everyone.
Right now I'd lynch frogge, and have someone analyze psy during the night phase.
Me, lockez, zeuzio, hikitsune, oddrabbit (for chaos), ratty (for chaos), psy (for humility), yellow is unlikely because of catching liberty but not proven, nessy (for chaos).
If there is no parenthesis, then that means we are clear of both chaos and humility. However if it's like oddrabbit (for chaos), then that means he has been cleared of being chaos, but not humility.
If psy comes back as town, then this list is null and we are going to have to reanalyze everyone.
Right now I'd lynch frogge, and have someone analyze psy during the night phase.
psy_wombats
13315
@LockeZ: I've been keeping an alignment worksheet as well. The only info you have that I don't is that Odd isn't chaos -- what cleared him?
Can anyone confirm a team of 3? If we can figure out what's up with the odd player out then we might be able to solve this via sudoku. My guess was Frogge was this 13th player but there aren't many options left besides Odd for Liberty's teammate. Another possibility is 7 factions: the six Frogge named, with chaos as a single person faction that recruited on Lucifer's death, and an unknown faction that hasn't come up yet. Or a team of 3 with one teammate who can't communicate with the rest, sort of a Traitor role. Also if anyone isn't on the six known factions, that'd be good info too.
I guess YM can't be ruled out from superscum bussplay but we have plenty of time to work with so I trust he's at least not-chaos for now. I was actually thinking he was the humility player at one point because both he and Kloe pointed out Liberty's lie at around the same point.
Can anyone confirm a team of 3? If we can figure out what's up with the odd player out then we might be able to solve this via sudoku. My guess was Frogge was this 13th player but there aren't many options left besides Odd for Liberty's teammate. Another possibility is 7 factions: the six Frogge named, with chaos as a single person faction that recruited on Lucifer's death, and an unknown faction that hasn't come up yet. Or a team of 3 with one teammate who can't communicate with the rest, sort of a Traitor role. Also if anyone isn't on the six known factions, that'd be good info too.
I guess YM can't be ruled out from superscum bussplay but we have plenty of time to work with so I trust he's at least not-chaos for now. I was actually thinking he was the humility player at one point because both he and Kloe pointed out Liberty's lie at around the same point.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
Oh, I was able to figure out that oddrabbit isn't chaos using my power. I still don't know if I want to describe the exact function of it. I'll share any other info I get from it though.
Okay, caught up a bit now, and don't really have anything to add except: Do we really want to lynch Frogge so soon? He has given us some valid, useful information already. and maybe will do so later on.
I have one final use of my power. Is there any value in me confirming what psy is saying? Genuine question
author=LockeZ
@Yellow Magic: You can confirm whether or not psy is telling the truth, right?
I have one final use of my power. Is there any value in me confirming what psy is saying? Genuine question
psy_wombats
13315
@YM If you need, I can put together a post for a daypower demon to examine so as to not waste your last shot. demonlord should be able to confirm via checking for bussing on my Liberty votes though.
re: Frogge, in a two-chaos setup, would've had to be one of the original chaos members. However, to hunt down whoever Liberty recruited on death, his info would be really helpful. So if there's a slim chance he's not chaos, I really want to confirm before killing him. His power, assuming he's non-chaos, is our best weapon.
@LockeZ: for your table, it might start to labeling whether the information is from before or after Liberty died. Information beforehand probably doesn't apply for neo-Lucifer.
@Frogge: On D1 you also said you had a partner. Is your partner verified non-chaos and able to vouch for you?
re: Frogge, in a two-chaos setup, would've had to be one of the original chaos members. However, to hunt down whoever Liberty recruited on death, his info would be really helpful. So if there's a slim chance he's not chaos, I really want to confirm before killing him. His power, assuming he's non-chaos, is our best weapon.
@LockeZ: for your table, it might start to labeling whether the information is from before or after Liberty died. Information beforehand probably doesn't apply for neo-Lucifer.
@Frogge: On D1 you also said you had a partner. Is your partner verified non-chaos and able to vouch for you?
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
@Yellow Magic: No, it's not worth it if you have a limited number of uses. I was hoping you'd just be able to say "Yes, I'm in a private chat with him." I guess you're not.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
I cleared OddRabbit as non-chaos after Liberty died. Everything else on that chart was before she died.
Congrats OddRabbit, you're now the sole known town member. The only reason I checked on you was because you were playing so little. Fuck.
I'm assuming that whoever got converted to chaos is still also in private contact with their original team, who doesn't know they've been turned. Fuck.
Congrats OddRabbit, you're now the sole known town member. The only reason I checked on you was because you were playing so little. Fuck.
I'm assuming that whoever got converted to chaos is still also in private contact with their original team, who doesn't know they've been turned. Fuck.
