[MAFIA] PURGATORY: A MAFIA GAME

Aand that post is predicated with a "if cave confirms," never mind

author=Cap_H

author=Muffle
aneko has also never played before, by the way.

Yeah, but she looks like she's afraid to post.
I would say wolves are in: Demonlord, Aneko, LockeZ and maybe Cave, Jero.

i would like an explanation for this though. demonlord has been pushing aneko all game but saying huni is town.

i have my own theory on one of these two players, but would like to hear his explanation.

Okay I have more to say, but I have to go somewhere. be back soon!

I might as well leave on the cursory observation that psy and cave are now voting in tandem for... some reason

and #Lynch Cave for... all of that^ I'd also vote for psy if we were feeling that. I feel a lot stronger about psy being scum bc he's said weird stuff. I'm pretty much on cave's case bc he didn't die day 1 like he was supposed to and it seems like a gambit. cave also made an argument on me that seems really really bogus although, bc it was made on me, I'm afraid I might not be completely objective about it. psy hasn't really argued against me he pretty much just agreed with cave and left it there which seems sketch af so I feel like he might be my better argument, objectively.

They're both colluding pretty heavily today though so the connection seems obvious. would kill either

author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK

02/24/2018 03:45 PM: "I don't exactly see Gourd as overly suspicious. They're overly eager allright, which can point in either direction of scum or town on day one. "

he puts his read on gourd as 'null' at first

02/25/2018 12:57 AM:" @Gourd While I can't guilt you for eagerness I do still find it suspicious. I also find Cap's absence suspicious. Explain yourself Cap, for you are currently at the top of my list followed by Gourd."

So, now Gourd has been updated from 'null' to 'second scumread.' okay. not sure what changed between these two posts.

02/25/2018 10:04:
"I was trying to play the LockeZ game and try to get answers out of someone by giving a bad reason and trying to lynch them, it works miracles it seems.

#cancel

It being day one, I don't have any real suspects, and although I do find Gourd suspicious I don't find him suspicious enough to warrant a vote."

He's canceling his cap_h vote there. So cap is not an actual scumread, so, in reality, gourd is his top scumread, but also not good enough to warrant a vote, still.

02/26/2018 04:29 PM:

author=Jeroen_Sol
Agreed on the nolynch doesn't help anyone. I wouldn't say Ozzy isn't suspicious to anyone else though. Ozzy, please answer my question from before.

I don't suspect anyone enough to warrant a lynch vote, my votes till now were all just to test the waters. Although Gourd does rub me off as suspicios, he's not suspicious enough to warrant a lynch imo. I should check who started the narrative against Gourd as I find this entire bandwagon against Gourd very suspicious.

what the fuck is going on

02/26/2018 04:29 PM:
I told you muppets not to kill gourd and now we lost our town gunman, good job!

are you kidding me? i really don't like this attempt to reframe what he was saying about gourd.

this was what ozzy did, revolving around you, and feels like what you have done with demonlord.
null>scum>*not here during deadline to fight against lynch of person I called scum*(this part is unique to you)>argh! I knew we shouldn't have lynched him!

which... part?? a lot of it is my answer to lockez's question that doesn't mean anything (which he seems to agree with me on).

the post where he says I was implying I knew how he would flip doesn't imply that at all as far as I can tell?

he also has a dislike that I had a nulltell for him on day 1 but only bc he thinks I was using it to avoid scumhunting. I argued earlier that is is *how* I was scumhunting.

I have a pretty strong feeling you and him are the scum team and now that I can live even after my death I can squawk about it until the end of time. XD I'm scumhunting you two today if this makes cave feel better!

for the benefit of anyone observing:

1. no it isn't

2. XD

3. this doesn't make any sense as of yet

4. this conspiracy theory that conveniently focuses on the two people voting you makes me feel better about this, yes.

author=Gourd_Clae
is this not the weirdest theory in the world or am I losing it?

I'm just not sure why else Jeroen was killed, apart from random chance it's either this or that he pushed cave. I don't think this is actionable if he died because of his cavevote because there's equal chance it was misdirection from scum. If you have some other theory, go for it.

author=Gourd_Clae
I don't like how psy actively diverted lynches from cave near the end and also never ever voted for cave.

Because I thought demonlord, aneko, you, etc, were all better choices than cave. I don't think "not voting cave" is inherently scummy (unless you and cave are scumteam in which case this is one of the dumbest busses I can think of)

Also, I do realize there's a nonzero chance I'm being led on by scum-Cave or something but that can be dealt with tomorrow if necessary -- your flipping scum would rule it out, for instance.

author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK

First, noting the irony of cave trying to use lockeZ's earlier question as a scumtell

actually in that post I said I leaned town on lockez and said that I initially thought the question may have had scummy motivations. since time moves forward linearly, i no longer think that. if scum you would feel obligated to answer because it is a question directly pointed towards you, in a game thread that you are playing in, and you did not express that you thought it was a bogus question (that was my opinion)

I didn't mean as scumtell for lockeZ. You said it was a bogus question then used your analysis of my answer to it as a scumtell for me. Earlier you didn't seem to think there was anything to gleam from it. Your analysis is shaky anyway

plus idk that it matters that I didn't express that it was a bogus question at the time? Like, did I need to give a two week notice before I agreed with you? it wasn't relevant to me until now and I didn't like how you were weaponizing something that you called bogus before

author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
I'm talking about the one directly above it.

I mean this sounds good to me! Confirmed cave is pretty much nothing but good to town.

the context of this was quoting me talking about confirming myself as town. I guess this COULD be ambiguous..but usually people dont talk about dead scum, as, 'confirmed.'

;w; my bad. I think the context you provided draws away from your conclusion that I was implying that I knew how you were going to flip. I was agreeing that it was good to confirm you as town, and then in later posts I clarify I had a nulltell and that was why I was voting. Both scenarios were good and I made that clear.

author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
no you didn't scumhunt earlier today. every single one of your posts in this day phase has been about me, and your theory that you apparently determined *day 1* that, if I wasn't lynched day 1, then I must be scum. oh and picking up 1 thing said by psy, the other person voting you. this is the opposite of scumhunting. coming to a conclusion and then trying to find evidence to justify it. if you're town, you should re-examine your basic assumptions, perhaps imagine that i am already dead and flipped town if you really need that to help analyze.

um it's still scumhunting if it's about you cave (and you know other people. psy is another person). are you saying you don't believe I came to this conclusion day 1? If I can't show you a post of me explicitly stating this, I can definitely show you posts where I implied I thought this way. I picked up *multiple* things said by psy. In the same vein of thought, yeah, but I'm pretty sure I can find more? I feel like psy has theorized ALOT about scum team's motives this game and, in addition to the blatantly weird stuff I pointed it out, I don't think it's all that innocuous.

It's not like there's not more. When you look at who's left, here's how I see it from my perscpective. I honestly think who I feel is scum is more important than who I think is innocent, but, you can almost narrow it down based on my own feelings:

Gourd_Clae (town)

Muffle (town, was very honest, lockz has a good analysis of her, could be evil I guess but HIGHLY doubt it)
CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK (should have died day 1 mysteriously did not??, weak argument for me tbh, probably scum)

demonlord5000 (town)
Jeroen_Sol (town)
Cap_H (seems innocent to me, but idk, seems clueless which I don't see in scum,)

LockeZ (idk, but if cave is scum then he probably isn't)
psy_wombats (weird collusion with cave? weird posts about why jero died?

HuniBear (r they playing? I feel ike night would've taken longer if they were scum)
Aneko (r they playing but better than huni, I feel like night would've taken longer if they were scum)

If we leave out huni and aneko then there really aren't that many different possible scum teams. There's a good chance one of the two of you are scum and I mean... it might be psy... considering I think my argument is stronger there. But, the two of you are cooperating pretty heavily today so I feel like my suspicion is justified.

I can try and analyze pretending you had died and flipped town, but, like, you DIDNT flip town. It really doesn't have much bearing on whats happening now.

author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
I don't really feel like you've adequately explained how you think the person that you said you have a nulltell on is a better lynch than the person you have a scum read on, however small it may be.

I do.

Day 1 I was trying to say I see the argument for demon's actions being scummy. Doesn't mean I had a scum read on him. I just understood the argument.

But, assuming I DID have a scum read on demon, it was day 1 and if I was going to lynch my nulltell instead of my scum read that would be the day. I also think it was justified because it would give more information.

idk some people said that I had a town read on demon and some people said I had scum read on him and that may be because I had no consistent read on him yesterday. The only consistent stance I took on that was that I didn't want to vote for him (bc of cave).

I will respond to PART 2 in SECTION II

actually nah. I think the crux of the argument is that I am acting like ozzy did, and on the surface that might seems true, but:

1. I never had a consistent read on demon, which is reflected in various people thinking I felt a different way about him
2. i uh, didn't exactly go "argh! shouldn't have lynched him!" what's really insidious about this narrative is that it existed before I even started talking today. yea. go and look back. I was literally responding to this narrative when I expressed that we shouldn't have lynched demon but didn't express that I thought this made me more town. I was just lamenting we didn't kill cave bc he must DIE.
3. I dont have a 3, cave's ozzy argument was around before I even started talking today, honestly think that invalidates it.
4. actually wait yeah I have another point!! ozzy's behavior also had little to no explanation as to what changed between posts but mine always have reasons. many, many reasons
5. so. yeah.


and more list shenanigans

author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
1. no it isn't

2. XD

3. this doesn't make any sense as of yet

4. this conspiracy theory that conveniently focuses on the two people voting you makes me feel better about this, yes.

1. Well now that you clarified the ozzy post alright
2. ;w;
3. Hopefully it does now? I feel like you'll say it doesn't BUT
4. I already acknowledged that. In a way, I kinda feel like I should be targeting psy and not you but there aren't that many suspects left and you've been acting WEIRD ENOUGH. Hopefully my arguments make enough sense that other people will feel like taking action. for the record, if I was scum, I would actively work against accusing people voting for me bc it invariably looks reactionary. Even if you have a point

author=LockeZ

author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
if scum you would feel obligated to answer because it is a question directly pointed towards you, in a game thread that you are playing in, and you did not express that you thought it was a bogus question (that was my opinion)

Is it okay if I act like this was my plan all along

hi hello What do you think of my argument? You may as well make yourself useful punk

author=psy_wombats

author=Gourd_Clae
is this not the weirdest theory in the world or am I losing it?

I'm just not sure why else Jeroen was killed, apart from random chance it's either this or that he pushed cave. I don't think this is actionable if he died because of his cavevote because there's equal chance it was misdirection from scum. If you have some other theory, go for it.

It was random. That would be a much more reasonable theory than a weird sense justice on scum's part

author=psy_wombats

author=Gourd_Clae
I don't like how psy actively diverted lynches from cave near the end and also never ever voted for cave.

Because I thought demonlord, aneko, you, etc, were all better choices than cave. I don't think "not voting cave" is inherently scummy (unless you and cave are scumteam in which case this is one of the dumbest busses I can think of)

I realize there are other explanations for your behavior. I was presenting some of what linked you and cave to support the idea you are scumteam together. in addition to those two things, you also agree to vote on me with very little resistance to cave's ideas which isn't something I've seen from anyone else today.

author=psy_wombats
Also, I do realize there's a nonzero chance I'm being led on by scum-Cave or something but that can be dealt with tomorrow if necessary -- your flipping scum would rule it out, for instance.

um why tomorrow?

I do think it is a good theory, but people seem to think that you are the better vote between you and cave. I do think he has an almost unnatural ability to survive considering how much we bring him up as a possible lynch.

I just went back and reread, that was my mistake. I thought cap said something too, but he only said he missed your posts without actually commenting on them. I think lockez is still considering both you and cave, but that list was awhile ago and I'm not sure how it holds up with all the new posts you made.