ANYBODY PLAYING STREET FIGHTER 4?

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author=Mitsuhide_The_Vagrant link=topic=3222.msg64109#msg64109 date=1235874745

author=Feldschlacht IV link=topic=3222.msg64084#msg64084 date=1235862888
Ryu style characters are usually only mid to upper mid tier. If you find playing against a shoto character unbalanced, than you're not really a very good player.

If the Ryu-style characters are mid to upper mid tier, who the hell's in the top tier?!

In Street Fighter 3rd Strike, Yun, Makoto, Dudley and Chun-li were god tier. Ken was top tier, but he'd still be smashed like a fly to those earlier four. Ryu was only middle tier, and Akuma was around the same place as Ryu, since Akuma takes hits like a bitch (seriously, some supers take out 80% of his life.)

Capcom vs. SNK it's Bison, Blanka, Sakura, and Sagat.

For Marvel vs. Capcom it's Sentinel, Storm, Magneto, and Cable. In the right hand these characters are so strong they make the other characters irrelevant and Ryu/Ken Akuma are STILL mid/low tier compared to the other 30+ characters in the game. Seeing Ryu and Ken trying to fight most of the characters on equal grounds is comedy.

Street Fighter Alpha 3 does indeed have Ryu and Akuma at the top with Dhalsim, Akuma, Zangief, Sakura, Ryu, Charlie at top tier.

And finally Street Fighter 4 has Sagat, Ryu, and Zangief top tier. Ken is like low middle.


Seriously, anyone who still thinks that Akuma is an unstoppable, tournament banned killing machine has missed the bus by about 15 years.

I have never heard of anyone of these characters.

Play Street Fighter 3rd Strike. Arguably the most popular and well done SF game made in the last few years. This game will make or break someone's competive fighting game career. It's really popular. Man you have been out of the loop for a while now, haven't you!

Where the hell do you get the info about these tiers?

The competitive scene, tournament info, rigorous testing, and a partnership between top players in the West Coast and Japan. That's how tiers are determined, but anyone can find out the tiers themselves using Google.

And, seriously, do tiers even really matter?

It depends. Generally, the better you get, the more relevant it is. Anyone can get good, and do well with any character. If you're playing the game to have fun with your friends, than it doesn't matter that much. However, the better you and your friends get, the more it shows.

While I have seen (personally, and in tournaments) awesome players get really good at low tier characters, the general rule is that at the highest level of skill, the highest tier characters will pretty much always beat a lower tier character. For example, unless you are the second coming of Street Fighter God, you cannot hope to win a tournament with a low tier character if you're playing in a tournament in Tokyo with world class players using top tier characters. A match is sometimes literally decided at the character select screen.

And of course using a top tier character isn't an auto win either, some characters are really technical, for example, Yun in Street Fighter 3rd Strike is at the highest tier, but it takes quite a bit of skill to do more than anything noteworthy with him at all. Any shmuck that picks him hoping for an easy win will get his ass beat. However a top level player using Yun is literally quite untouchable.

So in short, it depends on your skill level and the skill level of the 'crowd' you play.

I do understand what your saying, Feld. I do agree with that, but I just hate how tiers came into existance at all; they exist in any competitive game.

Tiers aren't intentional, tiers exist only because it's pretty much impossible for a human made game with multiple characters to be exactly balanced. Not just fighting games, but when you have any game that has multiple characters that have different attributes and abilities, some are going to be objectively better than others.

They take out the fun in games. I mean, whatever happened to using a character you like? With tiers, it's all about, I JUST WANT TO FUCKING WIN!

You can still use a character you like. In most games, tiers don't separate the characters by THAT much. If you're good enough, you can do great with a middle or low tier character.

I'm just saying, competition should be fun. Tiers suck that out of competition, in my opinion. Guess that means I'm old fashioned.

Not necessarily. Tiers aren't even noticible to make it a life or death matter until you're at the highest level of competition, and that's when it's really about the "I JUST WANT TO FUCKING WIN!" mentality, because well, that's how you win competitions. Trust me, if you found yourself in the finals of a high end tournament somewhere, you're past fun, you just want to fucking win. That's what competition is all about in the end.

But of course if you're just playing with friends, casual matches, and all that, than just focus on having fun and getting good. Like I said, tiers matter more the better you get and the higher level of people you're playing.