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Closeauthor=Shmeckie link=topic=3222.msg68038#msg68038 date=1238041007
Most of the time it's just based on popularity and accesability (a good example being Smash Bros. Brawl's hilarious tier list, but that's put together by a community that, well... Let's not get into that). And how much creedance you take to the notion that balance is impossible. Some games are imbalanced, but others are not.
Rofl dude, the SBR (the "council" of dudes who serve as defacto authority on the game) are seriously intelligent, thorough fighting game analysts. They spend a ridiculous amount of time studying the characters' movesets, options, hitboxes, priorities, playing high level tournaments and gathering tournament data, scrutinizing matchups, making posts about a single move that are longer than this entire thread, etc. They know what they are doing. The community itself can be incredibly retarded but the guys at the top are solid.
And tiers will always be a reality because some characters just have better options than others. *jumps on bandwagon w/mog*
PS: I don't know anything about Street Fighter because I am a Guilty Gear player sorry!!
Estrella
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author=Magi link=topic=3222.msg64098#msg64098 date=1235865643author=Estrella link=topic=3222.msg64022#msg64022 date=1235839615If you are actually going to pass up SF4 based on the sole reason that Vega is not very good anymore than you are really missing out!
If it's like other Street Fighters, Ken is quicker and meant to be played more aggressively than Ryu. I typically chose Ken over Ryu in the past for that reason.
I'm very disappointed to hear Vega was made into shit. Guess I'll just save my money and continue playing SFA3~
Oh, I'd totally play SF4 regardless of what they did to Vega even though it does make me not happy. I just don't really have the means to play it.
Shmeckie
422
Vega's actually quite sweet in SF4. He's currently my #2 character, and as long as I'm not fighting Blanka, I can mess people up pretty bad with the V-Man. Plus, it's funny how often people get mad and quit when they lose to Vega...
The Smash Bros. crowd has to be the most elitist in fighting game history. Literally. What other community makes a private club like the "back room"?! As for them knowing what they're doing, well... Let's not get into that...
But I will say elements of this it crowd are those people I mentioned earlier, in my less-than-flattering examples of people that adhere to tier lists. I'd take the worst elements of SRK over the Smashboards crowd any day of the week.
author=Ciel link=topic=3222.msg68056#msg68056 date=1238049261
dude, the SBR (the "council" of dudes who serve as defacto authority on the game) are seriously intelligent, thorough fighting game analysts. They spend a ridiculous amount of time studying the characters' movesets, options, hitboxes, priorities, playing high level tournaments and gathering tournament data, scrutinizing matchups, making posts about a single move that are longer than this entire thread, etc. They know what they are doing. The community itself can be incredibly retarded but the guys at the top are solid.
The Smash Bros. crowd has to be the most elitist in fighting game history. Literally. What other community makes a private club like the "back room"?! As for them knowing what they're doing, well... Let's not get into that...
But I will say elements of this it crowd are those people I mentioned earlier, in my less-than-flattering examples of people that adhere to tier lists. I'd take the worst elements of SRK over the Smashboards crowd any day of the week.
Elitism is a good thing. Aristocracy; "Rule by those who know best."
You know, because the common man is an imbecile and all. 8)
You know, because the common man is an imbecile and all. 8)
It's not about what character is easier for certain people to play as. That's not what tiers mean at all. Tier lists are objective (within reasonable human error) lists of what character are better than others. Strictly speaking, Ken is always better than Sean, 100% of the time. Sure, a great Sean may beat a bad Ken, but the characters themselves are not equal.
Tiers should not determine who you play as or who you have fun with the game as, but denying that they're there is idiocy.
"HURR HURR A CHARACTER WHO'S STRONGER, FASTER, HAS MORE PRIORITY, AND AUTO RESURRECTS IS SUBJECTIVE COMPARED TO THE CHARACTER THAT HAS 1 MOVE, LESS DEFENSE THAN EVERYONE ELSE, AND IS REALLY SLOW"
Tiers should not determine who you play as or who you have fun with the game as, but denying that they're there is idiocy.
"HURR HURR A CHARACTER WHO'S STRONGER, FASTER, HAS MORE PRIORITY, AND AUTO RESURRECTS IS SUBJECTIVE COMPARED TO THE CHARACTER THAT HAS 1 MOVE, LESS DEFENSE THAN EVERYONE ELSE, AND IS REALLY SLOW"
Mr. Y
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I would be interested in playing SF4, except that I am terrible at fighting games unless playing my friends who don't play video games regularly... and they don't seem to enjoy fighting games. Minus Smash Bros, which isn't really a fighting game (not in the same sense).
author=Fallen-Griever link=topic=3222.msg68077#msg68077 date=1238072829
Denying that they're absolute is idiocy.
Nothing is absolute. ;)
Shmeckie
422
author=Ciel link=topic=3222.msg68069#msg68069 date=1238064629And the aristocrats aren't?! ;)
Elitism is a good thing. Aristocracy; "Rule by those who know best."
You know, because the common man is an imbecile and all. 8)
author=Feldschlacht IV link=topic=3222.msg68103#msg68103 date=1238087720
Nothing is absolute. ;)
Bro, you need to stop watching Oprah.
I honestly don't think players should have studied a game, or games, to a point where all of their techincal research becomes law. Tiers are a result of this and I hate it. Games are supposed to be enjoyed, not researched, PERIOD.
It certainly would piss me of to go to a tournament and hear some guy say, "Your using (insert char. name)?! He's a low/mid tier character; you're going to get your ass kicked!"
...I would strangle the guy to death.
It certainly would piss me of to go to a tournament and hear some guy say, "Your using (insert char. name)?! He's a low/mid tier character; you're going to get your ass kicked!"
...I would strangle the guy to death.
Darken
3952
Researching a game and treating it like a sport is fun for the people that do it. You are not influenced by tier lists when you play against someone randomly or a friend of yours, so why bitch out about it?
When you take a game seriously, you're obviously going to want to win. And if you want to win, using every bit of data by people who have over studied the game to point of being able to tell which characters suck and which don't on a basic level is part of knowing how to win. Knowing is half the battle.
When you take a game seriously, you're obviously going to want to win. And if you want to win, using every bit of data by people who have over studied the game to point of being able to tell which characters suck and which don't on a basic level is part of knowing how to win. Knowing is half the battle.
author=Darken link=topic=3222.msg68462#msg68462 date=1238295555
...Knowing is half the battle.
GI JOOOOOOOOOO...okay, wow, I am sorry for that.
Well, whatever. The only thing I usually research like that is a walkthrough.
author=Mitsuhide_The_Vagrant link=topic=3222.msg68458#msg68458 date=1238295201
I honestly don't think players should have studied a game, or games, to a point where all of their techincal research becomes law. Tiers are a result of this and I hate it. Games are supposed to be enjoyed, not researched, PERIOD.
It certainly would piss me of to go to a tournament and hear some guy say, "Your using (insert char. name)?! He's a low/mid tier character; you're going to get your ass kicked!"
...I would strangle the guy to death.
Let's see you say that when you're regularly bringing home thousands of dollars in tournament money.
Nightblade
2723
Can someone tell me how to counter Sonic boom Into crouching heavy kick (whilst trying to get up off the floor in a corner)before I put my fist through my television? Thanks.
author=Feldschlacht IV link=topic=3222.msg68698#msg68698 date=1238448630author=Mitsuhide_The_Vagrant link=topic=3222.msg68458#msg68458 date=1238295201
I honestly don't think players should have studied a game, or games, to a point where all of their techincal research becomes law. Tiers are a result of this and I hate it. Games are supposed to be enjoyed, not researched, PERIOD.
It certainly would piss me of to go to a tournament and hear some guy say, "Your using (insert char. name)?! He's a low/mid tier character; you're going to get your ass kicked!"
...I would strangle the guy to death.
Let's see you say that when you're regularly bringing home thousands of dollars in tournament money.
Well, apparently, I won't be cause I'm not using a top tier character...
Shmeckie
422
Eh, don't sweat it, Mitsu. Just practice with your favorite, learn 'em, master 'em, and shut up the tier worshippers with your fists. I've been doing that in Smash Bros. for awhile now. Suckas don't know the power of Ganondorf!
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Your character's fists! Your character's!
Also, my offer for games is still open, if anyone wants to play me. Gamertag is Lord Shmeckie.
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Your character's fists! Your character's!
Also, my offer for games is still open, if anyone wants to play me. Gamertag is Lord Shmeckie.
Hey, there's a happy medium between tier worshipers and people who just acknowledge their existence and importance.
It's funny because most of my favorite characters in Third Strike are low tier; Sean, Q, etc. However it's hard to make a dent when you're playing someone who mastered Yun (top tier character) and they have a combo that enables them to knock you in the air and keep you there indefinitely, juggling you into they KO you.
It's funny because most of my favorite characters in Third Strike are low tier; Sean, Q, etc. However it's hard to make a dent when you're playing someone who mastered Yun (top tier character) and they have a combo that enables them to knock you in the air and keep you there indefinitely, juggling you into they KO you.
