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CloseNeeds more 3D with realistic models and breathtaking scenes which you would swear were out of a photo
Oh yes, let's make our games as awesome as BlazBlue in terms of 3D backgrounds with awesome 2D sprites! It doesn't matter if we're still learning!
Alright, but to be serious, yes, I don't like when the games look similar. Other than the ones who really don't care, no one would argue that they love games looking alike. But I find a few reasons why I still wouldn't mind people using rips or default graphics. For example, a first game would benefit more from just playing around with the program rather than focusing on graphics. A tech demo, especially of the battle system would be fine as default graphics or placeholder graphics, as the emphasis is on the gameplay there.
But if you want people to make custom graphics for their games, you have to remember that a lot of people don't finish their games or get past demo state in the first place. Making custom graphics on top of that isn't going to help. People, with the real rare exception of a skilled artist suddenly joining the game making scene, will not be able to produce pro style graphics when they start. They should be encouraged, given CONSTRUCTIVE cricitism, not mocked for not being pro. I would like more people to make custom graphics for their games, but if they're just going to be picked out and insulted for it, then why would they bother? People have to start somewhere. I'd rather give advice for how people can improve and how to go about making the graphics they want to.
Also, custom graphics and gameplay are not mutually exclusive. Working on one doesn't mean you must ignore the other. I've played boring games that have really beautiful graphics, and I felt no urge to continue. Graphics are not a replacement for fun, but they could really help define your world, make it stand out, have a unique atmosphere, and be able to use the ideas for which sometimes their doesn't exist a current graphic of. Like different settings.
But if you want people to make custom graphics for their games, you have to remember that a lot of people don't finish their games or get past demo state in the first place. Making custom graphics on top of that isn't going to help. People, with the real rare exception of a skilled artist suddenly joining the game making scene, will not be able to produce pro style graphics when they start. They should be encouraged, given CONSTRUCTIVE cricitism, not mocked for not being pro. I would like more people to make custom graphics for their games, but if they're just going to be picked out and insulted for it, then why would they bother? People have to start somewhere. I'd rather give advice for how people can improve and how to go about making the graphics they want to.
Also, custom graphics and gameplay are not mutually exclusive. Working on one doesn't mean you must ignore the other. I've played boring games that have really beautiful graphics, and I felt no urge to continue. Graphics are not a replacement for fun, but they could really help define your world, make it stand out, have a unique atmosphere, and be able to use the ideas for which sometimes their doesn't exist a current graphic of. Like different settings.
RTP is sterile-looking. I will critique custom graphics if it imitates anime and ends up looking like RTP. How about we stop copying anime and try to develop our own styles? That last screenshot that you posted is definitely not ugly, but it is unoriginal, and anime style. The facesets are a huge giveaway.
The creativity comes more with experience. Once they have more experience making the graphics, then they could more easily have control over exactly how they want it to look like. Learning various styles help you better define your own, and you have to start somewhere.
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RTP is sterile-looking. I will critique custom graphics if it imitates anime and ends up looking like RTP. How about we stop copying anime and try to develop our own styles? That last screenshot that you posted is definitely not ugly, but it is unoriginal, and anime style. The facesets are a huge giveaway.
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I'm going to post links so that I don't take up too much space. Here are some ugly games.
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/1139/dscreen30.png
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/8418/rtftreesfinalfi3.png
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/771/fyre.png
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3145/postj.png
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4167/cbsmockup.png
http://bb.xieke.com/files/BTS_NGCSPV0001.png
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/4056/hellonewstats.png
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/5113/statusscreennew.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f118/Lackeos/screenshot1.jpg?t=1250380098
http://rpgmaker.net/media/content/games/1191/screenshots/moarclay.jpg
http://rpgmaker.net/games/935/images/4245/
Oh snap.
The facesets are free graphics by Gozaru for indie game makers. I'm not going to complain on that one and instead be grateful to the author.
Style is something that comes to you after having so many experience in different art forms. Also what exactly do you meant by anime, anime is animation unless you meant the japanese style with huge eyes for facesets
Does this count as the anime you are referring to and therefore ugly??
Anime is anime. It is an artstyle. Stop nitpicking. That style looks highly anime-ish, but it still looks nice. Show me the characters, and I'll tell you for sure. I believe that game makers on RMN and GamingW do not even dabble or attempt to create an original style for their games. Outside the, uh, "art form" of anime.
"Hey, here's my game, Final Fantasy 7 remake 1,000,000!"
"Hey, here's my game, Tales of Delatia."
"Hey, here's my game, Terra Saga X."
I guess the unoriginal, cliche, overused artstyle(s) matches the unoriginal, cliche, overused names of games.
"Hey, here's my game, Final Fantasy 7 remake 1,000,000!"
"Hey, here's my game, Tales of Delatia."
"Hey, here's my game, Terra Saga X."
I guess the unoriginal, cliche, overused artstyle(s) matches the unoriginal, cliche, overused names of games.
I challenge you to draw realism :)
So basically, just because we use huge eyed people that the only ones we can draw means that our games are ugly? Good luck recruiting people from conceptart.org
Also once again, I dare you to say something about Kinetic Cipher Again
So basically, just because we use huge eyed people that the only ones we can draw means that our games are ugly? Good luck recruiting people from conceptart.org
Also once again, I dare you to say something about Kinetic Cipher Again
Oh Jesus Christ, it's that Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles artstyle. It's like cabbage patch kids mixed with Lucky Star.
I don't want realism. How about more cartoon-ish graphics? Like, uh, Mario, Earthbound, Kirby, or as opposed to copying things, you can make your own artstyle. You could make it look like anything. I mean, seriously, there's an infinite amount of styles someone could develop.
Also, why does my argument translate to you asking me to draw what i critique? Does a movie critic make movies? Does a game critic make games? Does an art critic draw? We all have a license to critique. What is a "Kinetic Cipher"? Seriously, it sounds like nothing.
Yes, drawing huge-eyed freaks with no other features on their face makes your game creepy and ugly. Those charsets are okay, though. I think they should dabble more in the cabbage patch kids style than anime, though.
I don't want realism. How about more cartoon-ish graphics? Like, uh, Mario, Earthbound, Kirby, or as opposed to copying things, you can make your own artstyle. You could make it look like anything. I mean, seriously, there's an infinite amount of styles someone could develop.
Also, why does my argument translate to you asking me to draw what i critique? Does a movie critic make movies? Does a game critic make games? Does an art critic draw? We all have a license to critique. What is a "Kinetic Cipher"? Seriously, it sounds like nothing.
Yes, drawing huge-eyed freaks with no other features on their face makes your game creepy and ugly. Those charsets are okay, though. I think they should dabble more in the cabbage patch kids style than anime, though.
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The creativity comes more with experience. Once they have more experience making the graphics, then they could more easily have control over exactly how they want it to look like. Learning various styles help you better define your own, and you have to start somewhere.
Also it's from Seiken Densetsu (MANA SERIES) Artist, you fail :U
And not everybody likes Mario's art style or Kirby or Earthbound.
Because you're demanding something without knowing any knowledge about it's process such as make your own style from the very beginning. It doesn't work like that, that's why I'm saying you try it yourself and then tell us if it's as easy as how you make it seem and how fast do you think someone would get to that point of making their own style. Not everybody likes cartoons.
So, because an artist draws for a commercial game, they are automatically good, and I have to be wrong? Hahaha. I don't worship their cabbage patch kids/anime crossover. Not everybody likes SEIKEN DENSETSU ONIMUSHI DESU artstyle, either. I'm demanding nothing. I simply find the anime artstyle to be highly unoriginal, overused, and cliche. Why do people HAVE to start with an anime art style when drawing? Even fi they don't develop their own super original artstyle, it doesn't mean that they have to use an art style that is used in every, single game on this site.
Anime is a cartoon. You watch anime. You play anime video games. You eat pocky. Not everybody likes this Japanese animation that has become a cabbage patch/anime artstyle. I wouldn't want to use a main hero that looks like he was plucked out of a garden filled with cabbage.
Anime is a cartoon. You watch anime. You play anime video games. You eat pocky. Not everybody likes this Japanese animation that has become a cabbage patch/anime artstyle. I wouldn't want to use a main hero that looks like he was plucked out of a garden filled with cabbage.
The mana artist is commendable for pixel art not art style, \which is why you fail. That's why I even included the map AND charsets. This is judging from the list of links you gave us.
Because that's the artstyle that pursued them to start drawing simple as that.
Anyway your complaint is more on art style not game art. So I'm stopping it here since it's useless talking to a brick wall. Specially how you just ignored our points above :3
THIS
http://rpgmaker.net/games/27/
Is Kinetic Cipher, I'd like to see your comments about it and why it sucks as a game as a whole judging at how you sayevery most games in GW/RMN [sucks, trite, unoriginal and cliched.
Why do people HAVE to start with an anime art style when drawing? Even fi they don't develop their own super original artstyle, it doesn't mean that they have to use an art style that is used in every, single game on this site.
Because that's the artstyle that pursued them to start drawing simple as that.
Anyway your complaint is more on art style not game art. So I'm stopping it here since it's useless talking to a brick wall. Specially how you just ignored our points above :3
THIS
http://rpgmaker.net/games/27/
Is Kinetic Cipher, I'd like to see your comments about it and why it sucks as a game as a whole judging at how you say
Commendable by whom? No memes please. I can critique his style, or lack thereof. You can't accept the fact that I don't respect cabbage patch kids.
http://www.atoncer.com/dolls/by-brands/cabbage-patch%20%20%20BEAUTIFUL%20BLONDE%20BLUE%20EYED%20CABBAGE%20PATCH%20KID.jpg
You gave no points. You were whining about how I do not like unoriginal game art and style. They sort of hand-in-hand. I must admit. I do have a bit of a soft spot for games that are completely in RM2k RTP. Such as Romancing Walker and Bob's Big Adventure. The thing is, that those games are so old, that it's acceptable.
http://www.atoncer.com/dolls/by-brands/cabbage-patch%20%20%20BEAUTIFUL%20BLONDE%20BLUE%20EYED%20CABBAGE%20PATCH%20KID.jpg
You gave no points. You were whining about how I do not like unoriginal game art and style. They sort of hand-in-hand. I must admit. I do have a bit of a soft spot for games that are completely in RM2k RTP. Such as Romancing Walker and Bob's Big Adventure. The thing is, that those games are so old, that it's acceptable.
YOU CAN'T EVEN TELL THE DIFFERENCE OF PIXEL ART AND THE ART STYLE WE'RE REFERRING TO, OH DEAR LORD, ok I'm done :3
You can't tell the difference between cabbage patch kids and the pixel art that you showed me. Oh wait. Desu No Kawaii, Archeia_Nessiah San -_-
I was referring to Seiken Densetsu's CHARSETS and MAPS meaning Pixel art not the character artwork, everyone knows Mana's Artwork is so weird :U
Pixel Art
Character Artwork/Art Style which you are loathing
May your brain plz work
Pixel Art
Character Artwork/Art Style which you are loathing
May your brain plz work
Lennon
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I don't see why everybody who randomly comes in here and makes a legitimate point has to end up acting like they perpetually have a cock up their ass, like holy shit, you're treating your opinion like it's the soul right fact in this argument, and unless all of us agree with you and each develop our own art style and graphics (lol) then you're not gonna shut up are you?
I'll ask you if these four screens are original and different enough from each other:
There's definitely some originality in this community.
I'll ask you if these four screens are original and different enough from each other:
There's definitely some originality in this community.
Hey if Mana's pixel art and amazing background art sucks there's no way to please the guy unless you make mario clones :V
Lennon
88
Also how in the name of sweet Jesus does anime look like fucking cabbage patch kids you dolt?
There's no way to please him period, he wants custom artwork, but only if he approves of its style, because his ego is shooting off of him in bursts.
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Hey if Mana's pixel art and amazing background art sucks there's no way to please the guy unless you make mario clones :V
There's no way to please him period, he wants custom artwork, but only if he approves of its style, because his ego is shooting off of him in bursts.
