PARTICIPATION IN THE GAME MAKING COMMUNITY

I think the main problem is people are expecting too much.

People outside of this community aren't expecting ambient light overlays, outstanding battle systems/writing and unique graphics. That is not to say that these things don't help, but yeah. Inside the community, however, people have grown gradually more cynical about games in general, and now it's like an expectation to have all these things. Because people like mr. Emo going on his Emoquest I guess.

There's really nothing that can be done much about that issue specifically. If you want the game makers to participate, you need a strong incentive and focus - which is easier said than done, because we are still talking about it now even though it's been brought up countless times in the past.

I have one suggestion, however. The less demos, the better, in my opinion. People don't want to keep on replaying the same slightly less broken game every time.

I'd also play more games if I didn't run into fatal crashes all the time. That's what happened when I loaded up Demon Legacy a month or so back. Seeing NB in this topic reminded me of that. I don't remember what the bug was though, and I couldn't be bothered to investigate. But it was really early. Fix these things, people!

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While I disagree with about 80% of your list, I'm not replying because of that. You exclaim that these games all did something different to attract your attention, but with the exception of Alter Aila (which just did something uncommon, but executed it really well); nothing on your list actually did that. Hellion, Hero's Realm and Dungeon Crawl are all old school styled games, Complete Chaos is actually heavily inspired by SMT, and apparently a acid trip and Visions and Voices is some kind of... Yeah, I'll skip over that part.

Distinctiveness, while helpful isn't a requisite here.

I actually think chaos's argument here is somewhat valid. People who liked old Dragon Quest/Final Fantasy titles will (often) like Hero's Realm/Hellion, so it's not like it doesn't draw a fanbase that are fans of that genre/mode/motif.

Alter A.I.L.A is pretty cool, yes, but I can't help but think the game would benefit from being in another maker because the bugginess of the battles can drive me nuts at times.

As for Visions and Voices - well, I know you hate it, but saying it doesn't do anything different is pretty hilarious to me since some people cite that as one of the game's greatest source of both problems and strengths. I have no intention of repeating the experience of creating something like that again, either way.

Some people have fun through complaining.

Yes, you should see me in IRC. I complain about RM* games all the time...but I also play them, so.

Speaking of which, I still need to download some of those RS games...

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A big thing we need is more review topics like Halibaca's where multiple users contribute reviews to people who've signed up

Methinks I'll revive that thread once I play through Speak No Evil. I'm due for a comeback anyway.

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this atmosphere of discouragement... it's unhealthy, elitist, and isn't helping anyone.

We're turning into Gaming World!

There should also be a non-anime genre for people like me.

So I followed through with my "If you like X..." suggestion for my 3 main games:
http://rpgmaker.net/games/82/recommendation/
http://rpgmaker.net/games/146/recommendation/
http://rpgmaker.net/games/1044/recommendation/

kentona, for a second I was like "WTF HOW DID HE CREATE THOSE" but then realized people can do that...


To reply a bit, I don't think lowering standards is a great idea. Telling people to "just don't care as much" is also not a great idea. There are more games made than there are players to play them.

I've said this previously to people, but most RM games suck. They don't have any clear idea behind them, badly written, don't look unique, nothing. They are basically like the games I have already played but with all the good parts taken out.

Why am I supposed to suck it up and play those?

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I've said this previously to people, but most RM games suck. They don't have any clear idea behind them, badly written, don't look unique, nothing. They are basically like the games I have already played but with all the good parts taken out.

Why am I supposed to suck it up and play those?

To help the creator fix the parts that suck?

Well, aside from fancy screenshots that can often be misleading, it's just generally that perusing the sea of RM projects on this site and picking out a good one is a daunting task. Having a recommendation feature for a game helps a prospective player find a game they're likely to enjoy and raises awareness of games people like.

Hate to do this but WIP (EDIT: and everyone else for that matter) can you post examples of games that suck? I am going to have a wild guess and say that a good number of people here have the same mentality they have with RPG Maker games as they do with pop music: "the majority sucks, don't wanna hear about it"

I mean right now I'm looking at page 10 in the Games section of this site and I don't see anything that could be completely ridiculed. Dark Gaia's game looks...bad, uh oh, I don't like where this is going, Moby Housekeeper's a unique concept, always a good thing, Luminous Vestar has some impressive mapping, too bad it's not being worked on anymore, Hellucination looks average but certainly not bad, same with Valius but it's been discontinued, think you all know about Alter A.I.L.A. Genesis, Kryberia seems fab, I played a bit of it a while ago but don't remember too much, progress seems on hold though. Maybe I just got lucky with that page but eh I can't see anything garishly bad (also can't speak for the rest of the community but I'm pretty sure RMN is at the forefront at this point in time anyway)

The only problem I can see with most of these projects is that they haven't been completed. Surely if people want their games to be played they should finish them in the first place!

EDIT: I mean if you think the majority of games (at least on RMN suck), then maybe you do have unreasonably high standards, or mine are too low.

I'd link to one, but Sonic and Mario Demo was lost in The Great Purge.

I honestly don't have too many examples of RM* games that outright suck, because most of the ones I've played really haven't been all that bad. I know there are terrible games out there, but I haven't had the misfortune to encounter very many of them.

I've always believed that you can't tell how good a game is until you've played it, and I think people judge these things by their screenshots way too often here. Maybe I'm just not angry and jaded enough to recognize a bad game before playing it, but maybe the games people think are terrible aren't as bad as they look???

EDIT: And then there's the whole 'bad content ban' we have going in the staff section to keep utter garbage from even getting posted. It's like a spam filter for horrible games.