CIVIL RIGHTS V. 3,000 YEAR-OLD BOOK; TOME WINS

you can't tinker with people's heads

You can't combat irrational belief with rational arguments!

america fuck yeah

in the words of Bill Maher,

"Every marriage is same sex marriage. You get married, and every night, it's the same sex."

I think if you want to use rational arguments, you can't use them against straw men arguments, but the best anti-gay marriage argument, which I think goes something like this:

America is a Christian country. This doesn't only mean that the majority of Americans are Christian now, but that the people who founded this country were Christians, their principles and ideas and way of living came from Christianity. Science cannot provide certainty. It can provide us with the highly probable reason, but not certainty. Faith can provide certainty. Faith in the scientific method can provide science with certainty, and faith in what the Bible says or at the very least what Jesus said to be the truth is absolutely for Christians. If a person is Christian and picks and chooses what they like of what Jesus said or what the Bible said, then they are not getting their morality from Christianity, but modern society and picking and choosing which aspects fit in with their life, right? OK. So, the old testament says a lot of extreme things, and Jesus says that marriage is an institution between a man and a wife. If you're a Christian you believe this is the son of God, and if you believe the son of God defined marriage as between a husband and wife, then it doesn't matter how society wants to change the definition of marriage, it'll always be untrue. The absolute objective truth comes from God, and it has been said. Anything that society decided to do otherwise is merely a socially constructed concept of marriage with no true meaning. The trump card for certainty is that God said it. If God said it, it's not questionable. For example if God said all men are equal and to love all men, and then someone decided to change that and make a society of hierarchy, then in the eyes of the Christian it doesn't matter how that man changed the rules, the rule of God is always the true rule and all men will always be equal and it is right to always love all men. The difference is the latter example fits with our current eras way of thinking, and the former doesn't fit so well. To the Christian though that doesn't matter since both are said by God, and truth doesn't change with the times, it stays universally eternally true. If Christianity provides this sort ultimate certainty, and America is based on Christian values and has majority Christians, then why would Americans want to defy natural law and pretend that gay marriage is true when God said it is not?


So yeah, at least from the debates I have with people, that seems to be the argument that needs to be attacked. If it doesn't make sense, I could explain parts fuller.

I'll find it. He said nothing about homosexuality, it just said what marriage was.

edit: I could be wrong, but it would mean that I got false info by well versed Christians. Never actually read it myself. Checking now.

Fuck it, I don't want to find it, I'll ask my close buddy about it next time I see him. That's sort of crucial to his whole argument, and I've assumed he had his facts right as he's more well versed in the Bible (obviously) than I am.

I don't. I still think it does say that, I just can't find where, and I'll ask my buddy where.

If I trusted you and spouted that off as the truth, that would be different, but to trust a friend with a history I think is very different.

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and Jesus says that marriage is an institution between a man and a wife.

then let's make up a new name for gay marriage

this thread is now about rebranding gay marriage, go go go

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Wherefore they are no more twain

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