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Closepost=140717...is murder ever true and just thoughNot all killings are murder.
Yay thank you, Max seems to agree to an extent.
Labeling someone as evil so you can conveniently kill them without recourse is called dehumanizing the victim. Murder is intentionally killing another person, with an exception for self-defense cases.
post=140658
Taking the life of a murderer isn't just. You're giving them a way out of the suffering/guilt that most murderers face after killing someone and, if they just happen to be the kind of person who doesn't feel these things after killing someone, you're giving them an easy way out of a lifetime in jail.
EDIT: Jails should be tougher. Like, water and bread only tough.
EDIT2: Yes, I am exaggerating.
I personally think the correctional system should me more focused, on you know...correction, to teach prisoners skills for the working world, maybe some psychologists, anger management, spiritual opportunities, etc etc, so when a lot of these individuals eventually DO leave jail, they actually can be functional members of society as opposed to robbing a liquor store. Again.
However some people are just unable to be rehabilitated.
AznChipmunk
4613
post=140688Your personal convictions are not necessarily justice. Also, psychological torture (guilt) is a potentially much stronger and more lasting form of punishment.
I see what you're saying, F-G, but I can't help but admit I don't find guilt to be a strong enough punishment.
post=140180What necessarily makes your opinion matter either? And, if you disagree with society, which you seem to be implying, then essentially you are defining your own "good" and "evil." So that essentially is meaningless unless you have the direct power to carry out your "justice."
If it is evil, it is evil and--at that point--the opinions of others don't matter.
Feeling strongly about criminals or jails or something doesn't mean you have a good sense of justice or are a just person.
post=140717...is murder ever true and just thoughNot all killings are murder.
I feel a semantics debate coming on.
Also, I have to say that I share narcodis's views: nothing is necessarily objectively right or wrong. Taking into account society or religion changes things.
But I'd rather talk about Hitler's awesome paintings.
"Good" and "evil" are abstracts, and trying to find any sort of universal truth in it is meaningless. Society enforces laws to protect people from things they don't like, such as being killed or having their stuff taken. It's not because such actions are inherently wrong on some metaphysical divine level, its just a matter of everyone pretty much agreeing that getting robbed and killed sucks.
Anyway, I don't think people are inherently "evil", at least not all people. If you do something rotten to someone, even if you never face consequences, a lot of people will still feel guilty. Most people possess empathy which is a pretty basic function required for people being able to live together in a community without killing each other. It's all societal. Humans have lots of traits that although them to function in a social environment. If we were "Evil" then I doubt civilization would have lasted so long.
I could go on and on about this but I wont.
Anyway, I don't think people are inherently "evil", at least not all people. If you do something rotten to someone, even if you never face consequences, a lot of people will still feel guilty. Most people possess empathy which is a pretty basic function required for people being able to live together in a community without killing each other. It's all societal. Humans have lots of traits that although them to function in a social environment. If we were "Evil" then I doubt civilization would have lasted so long.
I could go on and on about this but I wont.
evil is highly dependent upon your own personal beliefs. ask religious folks and it has a spiritual bias. ask athiests or agnostics and you're more likely to get some form of psychological or community based answer. just as man has never totally been able to define what good is, evil is also beyond definition but it also complicated by the fact that it is something that most of us do not have any direct experience with.
i especially liked solitayre's answer above about man deciding that stealing and killing is bad, especially because of how confusing an issue it is. as was talked about earlier, not all killing is murder. but what makes that killing right in the first place?
self defense is a tried and true stereotype. protecting yourself or another person by killing the other person is not wrong, but how far does that go? what if you kill a person that was going to kill you at a later date? that's possibly murder. everyone likes to talk about how killing while you're in the military and fighting for your country is acceptable, but that is also super tricky especially with the rules of engagement in place now a days. throw in the fact that a lot of the people killing other people in the military enjoy killing people, especially a good number of special ops folks, and it gets even more tricky. is killing to fight communism or facism or extremism wrong? there are so many complications to the issue that it is understandable that no one but lawyers and agenda driven people (who obviously are pushing for their own agenda :O ) bother to make the subtle distinctions, and normal folks just go by gut reactions when an issue pops up and claim it is either justified or "evil" and wrong.
the idea of intent is also a complicating factor, as there are just as many reasons to do something as there are things to do. say a guy works at an orphanage or other type of child charity organization. by itself that is a good thing to do. it helps the less fortunate. say the guy is molesting the kids, that is a decidedly bad thing to do. but what about all of the possibilities inbetween? what if the guy never touches the kids, and is honestly out for their best interests and welfare and does more for them than any other person in their lives ever will, but at night he goes home and masturbates for hours at a time over the things he watched the kids do at school? nobody is being hurt, nobody ever knows, and everyone is benefiting from the situation. but the gut reaction to a dude jerking off to the memory of kids is inherently wrong. no laws are being broken, no harm is being done, no innocent people are being hurt in any fashion. if anything society is being improved by this man finding a way to keep helping these kids. but does society really matter when something like this is going on?
there is a reason that evil has a religious connotation to it, even for the non-religious. it is easier and not as troubling. to give an action a thumbs up or down on the creep-o-meter with an honest rating, it takes a lot more thinking and consideration than we really want to deal with. every little thing that is done that may or may not be evil would have to be individually classified and debated to decide where it fit. because if you didn't, that person's actions would not be fairly deliberated on and judged in the manner that the individual deserves and is owed due to living in society. and casting a blind verdict to decide another person's fate is evil.
i especially liked solitayre's answer above about man deciding that stealing and killing is bad, especially because of how confusing an issue it is. as was talked about earlier, not all killing is murder. but what makes that killing right in the first place?
self defense is a tried and true stereotype. protecting yourself or another person by killing the other person is not wrong, but how far does that go? what if you kill a person that was going to kill you at a later date? that's possibly murder. everyone likes to talk about how killing while you're in the military and fighting for your country is acceptable, but that is also super tricky especially with the rules of engagement in place now a days. throw in the fact that a lot of the people killing other people in the military enjoy killing people, especially a good number of special ops folks, and it gets even more tricky. is killing to fight communism or facism or extremism wrong? there are so many complications to the issue that it is understandable that no one but lawyers and agenda driven people (who obviously are pushing for their own agenda :O ) bother to make the subtle distinctions, and normal folks just go by gut reactions when an issue pops up and claim it is either justified or "evil" and wrong.
the idea of intent is also a complicating factor, as there are just as many reasons to do something as there are things to do. say a guy works at an orphanage or other type of child charity organization. by itself that is a good thing to do. it helps the less fortunate. say the guy is molesting the kids, that is a decidedly bad thing to do. but what about all of the possibilities inbetween? what if the guy never touches the kids, and is honestly out for their best interests and welfare and does more for them than any other person in their lives ever will, but at night he goes home and masturbates for hours at a time over the things he watched the kids do at school? nobody is being hurt, nobody ever knows, and everyone is benefiting from the situation. but the gut reaction to a dude jerking off to the memory of kids is inherently wrong. no laws are being broken, no harm is being done, no innocent people are being hurt in any fashion. if anything society is being improved by this man finding a way to keep helping these kids. but does society really matter when something like this is going on?
there is a reason that evil has a religious connotation to it, even for the non-religious. it is easier and not as troubling. to give an action a thumbs up or down on the creep-o-meter with an honest rating, it takes a lot more thinking and consideration than we really want to deal with. every little thing that is done that may or may not be evil would have to be individually classified and debated to decide where it fit. because if you didn't, that person's actions would not be fairly deliberated on and judged in the manner that the individual deserves and is owed due to living in society. and casting a blind verdict to decide another person's fate is evil.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
If I thought something I did was evil I wouldn't have done it. But other people might think some things I did were evil. They didn't tell me so, though. Or I didn't believe them and subsequently forgot.
According to one of the primary schools of ethics, that action which causes the most human suffering or destroys the most human happiness is most evil, and that action which causes the most human happiness or relieves the most human suffering is most good.
However, it is generally accepted that stealing is evil, despite there being no net change in human suffering. That is to say, selfishness can be considered evil. It could even be considered the definition of evil.
My game's primary villain is someone who has had a tragedy in his past, and is now so obsessed with stopping that tragedy from occuring again and punishing the ones responsible for it that he is willing to let an even greater tragedy - the destruction of all civilization and the slaughter of most of the human race - occur as collateral damage.
Wait, no, that's my game's primary hero. Never mind.
According to one of the primary schools of ethics, that action which causes the most human suffering or destroys the most human happiness is most evil, and that action which causes the most human happiness or relieves the most human suffering is most good.
However, it is generally accepted that stealing is evil, despite there being no net change in human suffering. That is to say, selfishness can be considered evil. It could even be considered the definition of evil.
My game's primary villain is someone who has had a tragedy in his past, and is now so obsessed with stopping that tragedy from occuring again and punishing the ones responsible for it that he is willing to let an even greater tragedy - the destruction of all civilization and the slaughter of most of the human race - occur as collateral damage.
Wait, no, that's my game's primary hero. Never mind.
Pokemaniac
3559
post=144939
According to one of the primary schools of ethics, that action which causes the most human suffering or destroys the most human happiness is most evil, and that action which causes the most human happiness or relieves the most human suffering is most good.
I think the "equation" excludes the evil-doer. After all, if I, say, do something that makes me happy and effects no-one else, that would be a positive thing, but you wouldn't call me a good person because of it, would you?
Bonehead11
170
The definition of "evil" varies from person to person, I would say what I done negative and what negative from mine point of view was done.
1. Broke mine friends guitar...not on purpose
2. Too horrible...
3. Banking and debt,enough said. Its modern day slavery and on the top of that you get money for nothing.
1. Broke mine friends guitar...not on purpose
2. Too horrible...
3. Banking and debt,enough said. Its modern day slavery and on the top of that you get money for nothing.
Eh...debatable. Unexpected medical expenses can and will throw some of the most financially secure people into the gutter.
deboo
85
post=148038you're joking! where did you hear this from?
It scares me that Britain might be regressing towards this :(
i bet it's those fucking conservatives
