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post=1263871. But this doesn't change the fact that many businesses will say "fuck it, not paying," and basically give us a plan that decides which doctors we can and can't see. This could also cut profits off for many doctors, since some will be having their clients chosen for them, some will just be cut right the fuck off. Besides, what sounds better: Paying at a discount or not paying at all?
1 doesn't mean it's going to be good. Government programs aren't the best, but they are available to everybody, which is what's very important here. The more important reason though is that the government gets to play the competitor, and force health insurance industries to be competitive with each other.
2 is another bullshit argument that borderlines punditry, but I've been hearing republicans spew this talking point and nobody is rebutting it. First off, a handful of people game the system, so we have to fuck everybody else? That's very cut-off-the-nose to spite the face.
Secondly, not everyone thinks "Free shit?! Gimme!" Believe it or not, people generally don't like being unemployed, especially if you have a family and are trying to support them. There's no quality of life living on food stamps and being barely able to provide for your kids.
2. But the plan they're trying for doesn't do anything to cut people from sitting on their asses, swelling up all the welfare. The problem is that we need to find a way to figure out how to cut that out. I'm all for down-on-their-luck people getting a break, but unless we find a way to figure that out, then neither plan is doing what's right. Also, I don't know where you're living, but I live in an area where one in four people is unemployed and on welfare, so I guess that's more likely to sway me.
McDohl
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post=126528
1. But this doesn't change the fact that many businesses will say "fuck it, not paying," and basically give us a plan that decides which doctors we can and can't see. This could also cut profits off for many doctors, since some will be having their clients chosen for them, some will just be cut right the fuck off. Besides, what sounds better: Paying at a discount or not paying at all?
2. But the plan they're trying for doesn't do anything to cut people from sitting on their asses, swelling up all the welfare. The problem is that we need to find a way to figure out how to cut that out. I'm all for down-on-their-luck people getting a break, but unless we find a way to figure that out, then neither plan is doing what's right. Also, I don't know where you're living, but I live in an area where one in four people is unemployed and on welfare, so I guess that's more likely to sway me.
So, in other words, your reply is "nut-uh!"?
Wait, aren't businesses refraining from hiring people in the US due to the large overhead in costs, such as their health insurance? i imagine if businesses didn't have to pay so much overhead they'd probably hire more people.
Just an observation based on my assumptions on how the US handles healthcare.
Just an observation based on my assumptions on how the US handles healthcare.
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Wait, aren't businesses refraining from hiring people in the US due to the large overhead in costs, such as their health insurance?
i haven't specifically looked into it but i think if you examined the trend over the last few years you would find hiring overhead hasn't really gone up so much as revenue has gone down
post=126473welcome to the republic! swords and burning pitchforks are on the left
You guys are talking like we actually have a say in anything, all we can do is just blame whatever presidents around for all our problems, for now that'd be obama
McDohl
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post=126585
Wait, aren't businesses refraining from hiring people in the US due to the large overhead in costs, such as their health insurance? i imagine if businesses didn't have to pay so much overhead they'd probably hire more people.
Just an observation based on my assumptions on how the US handles healthcare.
Health insurance on top of minimum wage are some factors as to why it's costly to hire full-time employees in some areas of employment. If you look at Wal-Mart (sorry Holb!), they employ a gigantic part-time work force which they aren't required to provide health insurance for.
post=126733That was my (limited) understanding on how it works. That healthcare is somehow tied into the idea of you working for a company.post=126585Health insurance on top of minimum wage are some factors as to why it's costly to hire full-time employees in some areas of employment. If you look at Wal-Mart (sorry Holb!), they employ a gigantic part-time work force which they aren't required to provide health insurance for.
Wait, aren't businesses refraining from hiring people in the US due to the large overhead in costs, such as their health insurance? i imagine if businesses didn't have to pay so much overhead they'd probably hire more people.
Just an observation based on my assumptions on how the US handles healthcare.
Nightblade
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post=126478post=126473If you don't like it, vote.
You guys are talking like we actually have a say in anything, all we can do is just blame whatever presidents around for all our problems, for now that'd be obama
You speak as if voting makes a difference.
It doesn't.
McDohl
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post=126768
You speak as if voting makes a difference.
It doesn't.
Your vote has to be the deciding vote for it to matter?
I'd say you have the wrong idea about voting.
Nightblade
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post=126810post=126768Your vote has to be the deciding vote for it to matter?
You speak as if voting makes a difference.
It doesn't.
I'd say you have the wrong idea about voting.
Don't put words in my mouth.
What I mean is: the next batch of selfish, ignorant politicians isn't going to be different from the last batch.
Maybe I'm naive; but when we get more people like this running:
I'll be inclined to vote, until then I won't waste my time with such a meaningless activity.
post=126733
Health insurance on top of minimum wage are some factors as to why it's costly to hire full-time employees in some areas of employment. If you look at Wal-Mart (sorry Holb!), they employ a gigantic part-time work force which they aren't required to provide health insurance for.
Sorry McDohl, Wal-Mart has provided provided healthcare coverage options for part-time employees for over 20 years. This benefit is subsidized by about 70%, so yeah, I guess it's not entirely free. But there are a lot of options; when I left they had over 5 coverage plans available in most areas with costs for a single individual starting as low as $11 a pay period.
Also, over 74% of the Wal-Mart work force is full-time anyways.
You should probably pick on a place like Target that has worse benefits and a higher percentage of part-time employees. I guess they are supposed to be cool, though.
post=126810post=126768Your vote has to be the deciding vote for it to matter?
You speak as if voting makes a difference.
It doesn't.
I'd say you have the wrong idea about voting.
THIS. When you vote you are a participant in a much larger process, not a game changer.
Nightblade
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THIS. When you vote you are a participant in a much larger process, not a game changer.
You completely ignored my explanation. Hey, that's great.
Sorry, I tend to ignore posts with embedded videos or animated gifs.
There are a lot of good public servants out there. Unfortunately we only ever hear about the bad ones.
There are a lot of good public servants out there. Unfortunately we only ever hear about the bad ones.
Speaking of which, let's make some mention of a good public servant: Mayor Cory Booker of Newark, NJ.
He's done AMAZING things for Newark since he was elected Mayor- their crime rate is down and the city is flourishing. From what I've seen, he does a damn fine job of moving things forward and always listening to what the people of the city have to say. He's a pretty fascinating guy- watch/read an interview with him some time.
Turning a city around might not seem like much, but I applaud what he does. I dig his groove of community-centred/minded government and working with what you've got.
He's done AMAZING things for Newark since he was elected Mayor- their crime rate is down and the city is flourishing. From what I've seen, he does a damn fine job of moving things forward and always listening to what the people of the city have to say. He's a pretty fascinating guy- watch/read an interview with him some time.
Turning a city around might not seem like much, but I applaud what he does. I dig his groove of community-centred/minded government and working with what you've got.
Bah, if we're on this subject, the Mayor of Pittsburgh, Luke Ravenstahl, who was elected as Pittsburgh's youngest Mayor ever, pretty much proven himself arrogant, unlikable, and shady over and over again. Recently he went for a ski trip and somehow was reported 'missing' when he was really in New Orleans.
Great job! Way to keep it real, Ravenstahl.
Great job! Way to keep it real, Ravenstahl.
Nightblade
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post=126828
Sorry, I tend to ignore posts with embedded videos or animated gifs.
Yes, that's perfectly reasonable.
There are some good public servants but they are clearly in the minority; and are largely powerless against the real owners of this country.
McDohl
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post=126822
Sorry McDohl, Wal-Mart has provided provided healthcare coverage options for part-time employees for over 20 years. This benefit is subsidized by about 70%, so yeah, I guess it's not entirely free. But there are a lot of options; when I left they had over 5 coverage plans available in most areas with costs for a single individual starting as low as $11 a pay period.
Also, over 74% of the Wal-Mart work force is full-time anyways.
You should probably pick on a place like Target that has worse benefits and a higher percentage of part-time employees. I guess they are supposed to be cool, though.
Heh heh, I knew this was coming. Wal-Mart was the first company that popped into my head.
Target works too.
