SUPER STREET FIGHTER 4 GETS A 3RD STRIKE

Thanks for the explanation. I'll stick to Smash Brothers. I like fighting games, but I stink at them. I've never been able to get good at them!

I find that button mashing is just as effective as actual skill in these types of games.

Probably not so much in SF but I seems to be really effective in Marvel vs Capcom.

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The Street Fighter series is too hard. I always found the controls to be clunky, too (up to jump? diagonal ups to jump forward? that's just damn lame). I tried SF2 a while back and couldn't get past the 1st round.

Wow. Can't tell if you're being serious or not but that's how you jump in almost every 2D fighter ever.

Yep, and it still sucks.

I don't see a purpose in it at all. Being a fan of platform games, I'm used to pressing an alternate button for performing something as simple as a jump, but these fighter's just HAVE to make it complex! Pressing the up button to jump STRAIGHT into the air, and having to press up than left/right at the same time to do a diagonal jump, as oppose to jumping once and moving your control stick while you are in the air. I've played games with that type of control scheme and you can do a down/kick just fine, or even make an attack in mid-air!

And then generally, all those damn combos! It's not like you even need to press all those buttons to play the game, especially since it's all about prediction, right? That part is what makes games like this nothing but lavish and confusing.

I don't understand how removing these aspects is in any way counter-intuitive, because to me, it actually makes them more playable for something that's supposed to be fast-paced.

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The Street Fighter series is too hard. I always found the controls to be clunky, too (up to jump? diagonal ups to jump forward? that's just damn lame). I tried SF2 a while back and couldn't get past the 1st round.

Wow. Can't tell if you're being serious or not but that's how you jump in almost every 2D fighter ever.

Yep, and it still sucks.

I don't see a purpose in it at all. Being a fan of platform games, I'm used to pressing an alternate button for performing something as simple as a jump, but these fighter's just HAVE to make it complex! Pressing the up button to jump STRAIGHT into the air, and having to press up than left/right at the same time to do a diagonal jump, as oppose to jumping once and moving your control stick while you are in the air. I've played games with that type of control scheme and you can do a down/kick just fine, or even make an attack in mid-air!

And then generally, all those damn combos! It's not like you even need to press all those buttons to play the game, especially since it's all about prediction, right? That part is what makes games like this nothing but lavish and confusing.

Yeah no offense but it just sounds like you suck. Fighting games are fighting games and platform games are platform games. Of course they're going to play differently. It's complex because it allows for complex and high level play that players can work up to, gaining skill and finding new strategies for new characters, dealing with different situations, different strategies, and stuff like priority, chain combos, cross ups, and other advanced strategies.

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I don't understand how removing these aspects is in any way counter-intuitive, because to me, it actually makes them more playable for something that's supposed to be fast-paced.

It's counter intuitive because removing those things completely fucks up high level play. Sure, it's easy to see fighting games as 'PRESS ONE BUTTON/PREDICTION/JUMPING IS HARD' when you're a beginner or you suck at them, but when you start getting into high level competitive playstyles every little bit matters.

Street Fighter is easy to play, though. I've taught people, and seen people, do some intermediate level stuff in just a few minutes or a few hours of play. It has its own style of control unique to itself, yeah, but it's definitely not hard to play. I've never really seen anyone fight with the basics. Yes, it's hard to master, as anything high level tends to be, but I've never seen anyone say that Street Fighter and other similar games are hard to pick up.

I mean they're wildly popular and get more and more fans all the time, and thousands of people attend Evo (the long running fighting game tournament) for a reason!

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The argument that "you don't like fighters because you suck at fighters" is kind of stupid, since if you liked fighting games you'd take the time to get good at them. The reason I suck at fighting games is because I don't have the right type of brain for (or any interest in) memorizing combos.

I suck at fighting games because I don't like them, not the other way around.

Well yeah, I didn't mean to imply otherwise or anything. I don't mean to say that "You don't like Street Fighter because you suck at it" is universal, but as someone who has been playing the genre for 15 years and has even dabbled in it at the competitive level, you...see it a lot.

Someone sees a group of people playing Street Fighter/King of Fighters/Guilty Gear/Tekken/Marvel vs. Capcom or whatever and they see a cool 25 hit combo and they go "Yeah that's awesome I wanna learn how to do that!", yet they don't understand that's something you work up to with practice and time and they get all frustrated and end up tossing the controller in rage "I CAN'T DO A 43 HIT CONSECUTIVE COMBO/OTHER EXTREMELY HIGH LEVEL MANEUVER THIS GAME SUCKS I HATE FIGHTING GAMES THEY SUCK" because they didn't learn shit they saw in a video in five minutes.

Also I want to emphasize that while there are some 'bread and butter' combos in fighting games that you can memorize to use, fighting games are not about 'memorizing' combos. Sure, yes you have to remember the button inputs for special and super moves and whatnot, but many of those combos you see in videos aren't because someone memorized them, it's just a matter of having the skills to react in a fast paced match according to the situation. It's not a math equation.

Shoryukens? Yeah, it can be a tricky motion to initially learn at first, but once you do so, it's easy peasy to pull off quickly and without fail.

I love fighting games, yet in general I suck at fighting games (oh cruel mistress!)

But Street Fighter...I dunno, something about how characters move, the gravity, and speed...I just could never really get into no matter how long I played. I just figured it's not for me and go back to the games I'm more comfortable with(GG/BB, Soul Calibur, and crappy anime based fighting games which I love for I reason I cannot explain).

For a lot of people they just kind of need a slow helping hand to get them into a fighting game...beating their ass with said 43 hit combo might be cool, but it aint encouraging. From what I've seen that's the primary reason lots of people don't get into fighting games. Even for experts(I am not one) having your ass handed to you like 5 times can be good learning experience but there comes a point where enough is enough and say "FUCK THIS".

The willingness of someone new is much shorter than that. It doesn't help calling them 'noob' or 'scrub' the entire time either... So I can kind of understand both sides since I'm somewhere in the middle. A vicious cycle of 'Fking scrub doesn't even take time to learn the damn move!" and "Fking elitist prick won't let even move!"

Hehehe yeah, hiding what the combos are was a huge dick move on SF2's part! One of the reasons why I still hold a grudge against it.