THE SCREENSHOT TOPIC RETURNS

author=Itaju

author=JustRob

author=Itaju

author=JustRob

author=Itaju
I think the wooden floor makes more sense than red carpet EVERYWHERE.

How does that make more sense? Serious question.

Why would anyone think to themselves, "Hmm yeah I'll make this part wood, that part stone, and I'll put some random carpet over there." If you're a snobby rich dude, you want to show that off in your house. Having a mishmash of different, poorly constructed floors isn't exactly a sign of nobility.

If you are coming with the reality argument, i'd like to answer

A RICH DUDE WOULDNT SHOW OFF WITH RTP TILE SETS.

'nuff said.

So basically you weren't trying to be helpful, but just bash me because I'm using RTP? Would a Rudra or Chrono Trigger rip be more original? Or maybe the classic Lufia tilesets?

Nope, I love the RTP if used correctly, but I think if you need them, you might need to get rid of a sense of reality and take more the aesthetics of the given tileset into account. This would mean that you can but some wooden tiles on the ground without it looking too shabby. :)
If you want to give your map more diversity you should consider making palette swaps to those tiles (like making a blue carpet) or something similar.

Well, you do make a valid point. I'll try out some different combinations.

author=Dookie
Justrob, having the whole floor red line that is an eyesore. You post here to get criticism, either learn from it, or ignore it. Switching up the floor tiles for different rooms makes it look more interesting and smaller useage of the red rug make it more like a throw carpet.

Agreed..I think, lol anyway, let's try to get back on topic ya'll; keep them screenies coming! :D

Dude, a lot! I'm glad you liked my advice. :)

author=Trujin
Anyway Xenomic: I've made a simpler map for you this time, which this time only took 15 minutes to complete. It's ment to show you how I cheated my way in adding minor details, that look "good" but cut time seriously =). Since you are making a cave I just edited the chipset for this =D.

I'll fill you in step by step about he mapping progress of this one:

The chipset:

Ah yes, that classic trick that the older FFs use as well (I...guess this would emulate the older FF style more than what I'm trying to do eh? ^^;; ). I just never put the black tiles on because never had them for the tileset (yes, I was lazy and didn't add/change anything on the tileset, so sue me! Actually, don't eh? ^^;; ). I did this trick with some of the indoor areas, so why I never thought of doing it with caves and such is beyond me (actually, I know why. It's because I wanted the flow from one room to the next to not be interrupted and look nice I suppose).

The ground tiling to make a ramp was always one of my bigger issues in some dungeons too. It just didn't work the way I was aiming for (probably because I was doing it completely backwards), so I'll save this screenshot and keep it as a reference (and keeping the map file with me too, though I'll have to rename that to something to keep it from overwriting any of mine~)

Hmm...what do you guys think? Think this version is better to use or the more detailed version? It's a toss-up for me right now. This style would save time and it still looks nice, though the other is more detailed and looks just as nice, but a lot more time consuming...

author=Trujin
Looks way better. By the way, the misplaced wood at the screen I posted close to the passages to other rooms were ment to represent door thresholds. You might want add those to the chipset too :p.

Oh now I see lol. I might just do that.

I still don't understand why you make them so big, though. There's a shit-ton of room that could be condensed in that. I mean, sure, you've made it look better, but it's still far too big. Also, top middle. You missed some bottom cliff tiles.

Now the fairy has something like a simplistic skill tree. :)

New maps:


Old (80x45):




New (cut down to 60x45):




Ok, I'mma have to put my foot down on this. I'm honestly curious as to your guys tolerance with how long dungeons take, because I'm pretty sure that several older RPGs have dungeons generally around this size and generally still take 10-20 minutes to get through, if not longer (FFXII dungeons were even worse...screw you Great Crystal and Ridorona! Both of you can go die!). Now, I'mma share with you one of my biggest maps, and yes, even -I- agree that it's stupidly huge. 200x135 stupidly huge at that.





Now, there's caves you can go through too, but that's all on one map themselves. Now, I hear you thinking "Oh god, this probably takes like an hour to get through with random encounters". No...this actually took me (this included all random encounters and me getting semi-lost) about 23 minutes to get through. My LPer, who was using a character that had double speed and also got semi-lost, got through within 20 minutes. So yeah...despite its size and the random encounter (remember, encounter for most areas is set to 70-80 so it's like 1 fight for every 70-80 steps, give or take), it does NOT take super super long to get through.


A map THIS size, takes like not even a minute to walk through (the original 80x45 map at that), if not 1-2 minutes. It'll probably take a bit more now because it's different, but it still isn't going to take super long to get through. Granted, the entire dungeon isn't going to be this size, since this particular dungeon isn't supposed to be super big at all (it's the 6th dungeon of the game, and it's like...less than 10 maps at that). So yeah...there's that. I don't mean to come off as rude or anything, but just saying ya'll...

Do you have any puzzles in those dungeons?

@Liberty: There's only one time you HAVE to backtrack, and that's going to a deadend to get items and then going back to the right path. Otherwise, it's pretty linear in the path in Winter Forest. The walk speed isn't really THAT atrocious either in 2k3 I find (and I DO have a character that grants double walking speed on the map if she's in the party).

@Trujin: Beta2 dungeons generally don't have puzzles (I never did work much on them. A couple beta1 dungeons, and the worst 2 dungeons in the game as voted by others and myself, has several of the puzzles). Back when I was doing beta1/2 I didn't know how to do puzzle gimmicks at all (I still don't very well seeing as I don't mess with puzzles very much).


Also keep in mind, this is one of the largest maps in my game for dungeons. Generally maps of mine don't break 100, and if they do, it's generally due to having multiple maps in one.