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Yeah, I don't think psychology is a science either :). I also studied it at uni at the amount of contradictions you are exposed to is mind blowing.
This is actually why I quit that field of study for something else as I realized that I pretty much had nothing rock solid to make statements to help other people. I also thought that the financial element involved in helping other people kind of corrupted the whole relationship.
That's just my position by the way. I'm not saying psychology is useless, I just don't believe in it.
author=MissMaggot
I guess story time?
I had to break off a friendhip recently with a girl I'd known for six years. She had broken off plans several times in the past, but I never really had any proof she was truly flaking on me.
Well, she invited me to a convention and we were supposed to go in February. Pretty long distance and I didn't have the means of transport myself. So she was my only way there. Well, sure enough, the con is only a week away, I've already paid my $25 to get in, and she calls and tells me plans are off because her car broke down. I was cool with that. Not much you could do about it. It was a little irritating that I never got my money back from con staff, but that wouldn't be her fault.
Well, a couple days ago, I looked her up on Youtube, and sure enough, she has video from the same convention she said we wouldn't be able to make. When I called and asked her about it, she told me it was because her mom showed up and wanted to go but would have felt like a third wheel if I had been there. So she made up the story about the car to keep her mom from looking like the bad guy. Classy.
Basically, it's not really so much about the con as it is the lying and how pathetic it is that a twenty-one year old woman has such a clingy, possessive mother and that she enables it. allowing her life to be controlled and ditching other people in her life over it. Iw ould have been perfectly fine with all three of us going, it's her mother's issue with having to share the attention she gets from her daughter and everyone else she becomes associated with.
I know her mom. She's a very insecure person. She used to be friends with my mom until it came to a point she had to be at our house twenty-four/seven and getting mad if my mom so much as decided it was time to spend time with my dad instead. That's pretty sick.
Needless to say after a couple of years of having plans broken, that was the end of it. But I do have plenty of real friends. Damn good friends. The only one I've ever met face to face is my boyfriend, but I still talk to these people every single day on Skype and we all care a lot about eachother.
These are people who sat and talked to me in a voice chat for hours after all of that happened instead of thinking 'oh no, a vent' and logging off. And I love them all dearly for it whether they're in other states or even other countries.
Thanks for sharing! It was a good read, does anyone know why people seem to do this to other people, I mean why do they think it is alright to take advantage of our goodwill?
Darken
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author=CreationBitching is the thing we love the most.Yeah, I don't think psychology is a science either :). I also studied it at uni at the amount of contradictions you are exposed to is mind blowing.
This is actually why I quit that field of study for something else as I realized that I pretty much had nothing rock solid to make statements to help other people. I also thought that the financial element involved in helping other people kind of corrupted the whole relationship.
That's just my position by the way. I'm not saying psychology is useless, I just don't believe in it.
I like how you're complaining about psychology.
Whether psychology is a science or not has been the subject of heated debate among academic circles. It’s something discussed in classes at university and far from being something obvious.
Which makes me question your *facepalm*. Is it because you consider to have so much knowledge in that field that you have determined without a doubt that it is, indeed, something which we can rely on 100%? If that’s the case, I’d be interested in reading your answer.
If so, which psychologist should be relied upon? Freud? Piaget? Erikson? Skinner? Rogers? All of them? Some of them? Which one is wrong, which on is accurate? Would you include philosophers as well? If not, why?
Another question: you can cure tuberculosis by taking antibiotics. If psychology was a science, why is it that we still haven’t found a way to cure depression? Why is it that you have debates among therapist as to what should or shouldn’t be included in the DSM IV as addiction for example?
Anyways, by instinctively refuting with such condescendence my belief about psychology you must have access to a lot of more knowledge than I do. I honestly look forward to being corrected and being told what I should or shouldn’t think ;-).
Which makes me question your *facepalm*. Is it because you consider to have so much knowledge in that field that you have determined without a doubt that it is, indeed, something which we can rely on 100%? If that’s the case, I’d be interested in reading your answer.
If so, which psychologist should be relied upon? Freud? Piaget? Erikson? Skinner? Rogers? All of them? Some of them? Which one is wrong, which on is accurate? Would you include philosophers as well? If not, why?
Another question: you can cure tuberculosis by taking antibiotics. If psychology was a science, why is it that we still haven’t found a way to cure depression? Why is it that you have debates among therapist as to what should or shouldn’t be included in the DSM IV as addiction for example?
Anyways, by instinctively refuting with such condescendence my belief about psychology you must have access to a lot of more knowledge than I do. I honestly look forward to being corrected and being told what I should or shouldn’t think ;-).
author=Creation
If psychology was a science, why is it that we still haven’t found a way to cure depression?
This is the faultiest logic ever and you know it.
author=Creation
Another question: you can cure tuberculosis by taking antibiotics. If psychology was a science, why is it that we still haven’t found a way to cure depression? Why is it that you have debates among therapist as to what should or shouldn’t be included in the DSM IV as addiction for example?
Are you retarded? Are you really suggesting that something can't be a science because we don't know something about it?
'MEDICINE ISN'T A SCIENCE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T FOUND A WAY TO CURE AIDS YET DERP'
LivingEffigy
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author=Creation
If psychology was a science, why is it that we still haven’t found a way to cure depression?
Its a little like saying "If Newton's laws of motion are an accepted part of physics, why doesn't it work at microscopic distances?"
Though psychology is widely used to solve the most common psychological problems, there are many, many other cases which cannot be solved as easily. Science is not perfect and there are all kinds of anomalies. I think psychology can be called a science because it is a study.Stone me if you want to...:P
EDIT: Feld, you've put it nice and proper.
I don't beleive in psychology because I don't think it's ever helped any one. With the exception of Françoise Dolto, who actually cured a few autistic children, which is probably the hardest thing to do. To me, she's the exception that "confirms the rule" (translation of a french expression, which I would not know how to translate).
Vionneta
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To people who complain why they suck at making friends:
Just put yourself out there and eventually you'll have friends who like you for who you are. Don't pity yourself if there are people who end up hating you, just stay cool and do whatever you want. It's your life anyway, not theirs. You shape your life the way you wanted it to be.
Besides, resolving to self-pity makes you even more depressed and that's not healthy.
To people who think your friends suck:
To be honest, you need to talk about your issues with them sooner or later in a rational manner, otherwise shit's just gonna get down. Unless... You're too much of a wuss c:
If issues be down and done with, then cool. However, if it turns into a bigger mess, then that's when you know who is or who isn't your friend within your network.
Just put yourself out there and eventually you'll have friends who like you for who you are. Don't pity yourself if there are people who end up hating you, just stay cool and do whatever you want. It's your life anyway, not theirs. You shape your life the way you wanted it to be.
Besides, resolving to self-pity makes you even more depressed and that's not healthy.
To people who think your friends suck:
To be honest, you need to talk about your issues with them sooner or later in a rational manner, otherwise shit's just gonna get down. Unless... You're too much of a wuss c:
If issues be down and done with, then cool. However, if it turns into a bigger mess, then that's when you know who is or who isn't your friend within your network.
Are you retarded?
If making a mistake when reasoning about something means being retarded, then yes, I probably am. I often make mistakes when reasoning about something, then I change the way I think. I thought that was a natural learning process (learning from your mistakes and all that). Whatever happened to the author of the ''Why are we behaving like dicks'' thread I wonder :). I guess you just found out the answer to your own question.
'MEDICINE ISN'T A SCIENCE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T FOUND A WAY TO CURE AIDS YET DERP'
Here's the thing: you are using the example of aids because it's something we haven't found a cure for yet. What about the things we have found cures for?
I see where you are coming from. Here's what I was trying to exemplify (although perhaps awkwardly):
Ex.:
You can cure cholera with antibiotics.
Chicken pox, diphtheria, and polio can be treated with vaccines.
This, to me, sort of gives some credibility to medicine as having achieved something.
Could you provide a list of mental pathologies which can be cured with certain techniques? Depression was one example out of many. What are tried and true techniques for curing something related to the mind? Are there any? Are we making any progress in psychology? Are there mental ailments we couldn't treat before but that we can treat now? I'll admit psychology has come a long way from electroconclusive therapy and drilling holes in the skulls of patients but it doesn't seem to me like it's someting reliable to effectively treat people.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
That is facetious reasoning, and you know it.
"Science (from Latin: scientia meaning "knowledge") is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the world."
Psychology meets these requirements. Why is this even being argued?
"Science (from Latin: scientia meaning "knowledge") is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the world."
Psychology meets these requirements. Why is this even being argued?
Shinan
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author=kentona
Psychology meets these requirements. Why is this even being argued?
It's probably the same thing that compels people to argue that evolution is only a "theory".
Still disagree with Creation but
He got ya there Mog
author=CreationAre you retarded?Whatever happened to the author of the ''Why are we behaving like dicks'' thread I wonder :).
He got ya there Mog
Space_Monkey
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author=chana
I don't beleive in psychology because I don't think it's ever helped any one.
You're right, nobody has ever benefited from it in the history of mankind.
This is about the usefulness of psychology/psychotherapy as a treatment, not the validity of psychology as a field of science. I am agnostic on that topic, the arguments for both sides are pretty strong. Anyway:
I personally don't believe in psychology per se, i.e. psychotherapy. By which I mean is, I can't personally recommend it. It's been worthless to me, I gained no benefit from it, and I can't imagine it being useful to anyone else. I just see it as a huge waste of money.
As a disclaimer, I saw about 8-10 different psychologists during my late childhood and early adolescence. To a fault, every single one was useless to me, incompetent in some respect, evidently less intelligent than myself (keep in mind, I was 12, so that's saying something), and/or ethically corrupt (I will explain, if needed). So no one can accuse me of not having given it a try.
You are paying professionals to pretend to care about you and talk to you about your problems. Therefore, aren't people who ACTUALLY care about you and WON'T charge you money VASTLY superior?
Friends > Psychologists
I certainly believe in psychiatry, however. Psychiatric medication is fucking awesome. I sure wish I was on some anti-anxiety meds for my crippling general anxiety disorder. The catch 22, of course, is that I'm much too scared of going to see a psychiatrist to get them.
*iron hide facepalm*
This is very much a high school/college perspective. Once you're out of college and either mostly-unemployed like me (yaaaaaaay) or working at a job with people decades older who have nothing in common with you, making friends is really a much more difficult logistical proposition.
My advice for people at my stage in life is to hang on to the friends you've got: they are not easily replaced.
I mean I guess you could like....go to a bar to try to pick up...friends? But that just seems awkward to me.
Whoa there, champ. I don't entirely disagree with Creation's point but Freud and Skinner don't conflict with each other in the same way that diet and exercise do.
(I don't know anything about Skinner except his box, so I just picked a random one from the list who wasn't freud. Sorry if that undermined my point.)
Isn't that more the province of psychiatry, not psychology?
I personally don't believe in psychology per se, i.e. psychotherapy. By which I mean is, I can't personally recommend it. It's been worthless to me, I gained no benefit from it, and I can't imagine it being useful to anyone else. I just see it as a huge waste of money.
As a disclaimer, I saw about 8-10 different psychologists during my late childhood and early adolescence. To a fault, every single one was useless to me, incompetent in some respect, evidently less intelligent than myself (keep in mind, I was 12, so that's saying something), and/or ethically corrupt (I will explain, if needed). So no one can accuse me of not having given it a try.
You are paying professionals to pretend to care about you and talk to you about your problems. Therefore, aren't people who ACTUALLY care about you and WON'T charge you money VASTLY superior?
Friends > Psychologists
I certainly believe in psychiatry, however. Psychiatric medication is fucking awesome. I sure wish I was on some anti-anxiety meds for my crippling general anxiety disorder. The catch 22, of course, is that I'm much too scared of going to see a psychiatrist to get them.
*iron hide facepalm*
To people who complain why they suck at making friends:
Just put yourself out there and eventually you'll have friends who like you for who you are. Don't pity yourself if there are people who end up hating you, just stay cool and do whatever you want. It's your life anyway, not theirs. You shape your life the way you wanted it to be.
This is very much a high school/college perspective. Once you're out of college and either mostly-unemployed like me (yaaaaaaay) or working at a job with people decades older who have nothing in common with you, making friends is really a much more difficult logistical proposition.
My advice for people at my stage in life is to hang on to the friends you've got: they are not easily replaced.
I mean I guess you could like....go to a bar to try to pick up...friends? But that just seems awkward to me.
So, by your argument, since diet can lower blood pressure and exercise can lower blood pressure, which should be relied upon? all of them? some of them? which one is wrong, which one is accurate?
Whoa there, champ. I don't entirely disagree with Creation's point but Freud and Skinner don't conflict with each other in the same way that diet and exercise do.
(I don't know anything about Skinner except his box, so I just picked a random one from the list who wasn't freud. Sorry if that undermined my point.)
Have you ever seen the difference between a person with bipolar disorder or schizophrenia off of their medication compared to on their medication? Even if you argue that medication never "cured" anyone, do you still believe it never relieved the suffering of others, helped them function at a higher level, etc.?
Isn't that more the province of psychiatry, not psychology?
