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CloseNothing serious, but if you could be only a little less systematically
categorical, that would be pleasant!
categorical, that would be pleasant!
I don't think you've been around me long enough, or frequent enough to make that assertion. Anyone who knows me can say that one way or the other, the assumption that I'm 'systematically categorical' is inaccurate. Either way, telling someone to 'keep making crappy games' is an awful thing to say and an awful attitude that poisons the site.
I'd rather someone call me retarded than to spit in the face of why I'm here in the first place.
I'd rather someone call me retarded than to spit in the face of why I'm here in the first place.
author=Feldschlacht IV
Oh come on. I called some dude retarded jokingly like, twice. I don't tell people straight up anything like 'keep making shitty games', especially considering the focus of the site. I don't think I've ever said anything like that in recent memory.
With every game that turned out shit, there's at least properly a great one.
Now, I DON'T think that every game here is shit. I have too much on my hands to joke around. No offense.
In fact, my post had nothing to do with what benos wrote which I didn't quite get!(most people only enjoy crappy games?)
I didn't mean, Feldschlacht IV, that you were always systematically categorical, just a bit too often these past posts and it finally got on my nerves, that's all.
I didn't mean, Feldschlacht IV, that you were always systematically categorical, just a bit too often these past posts and it finally got on my nerves, that's all.
The question should be "Is it stupid to have opinions?" or "Is it not stupid to have opinions?"
That is a reason for ratings. So people can rate stuff as they see fit. Not because others don't think it should ever be deemed perfect. The fact is, no one has a right to tell anyone else that a game shouldn't be rated a certain thing, or even felt it is perfect or not, if the other person thinks that it should be.
Definitely if the rating goes that high. Also if they take 5/5 away, then there is 4/4. Which would be the very same thing. Either rate or don't, and be cool and nice that others have their own opinions on the games at-hand.
That is a reason for ratings. So people can rate stuff as they see fit. Not because others don't think it should ever be deemed perfect. The fact is, no one has a right to tell anyone else that a game shouldn't be rated a certain thing, or even felt it is perfect or not, if the other person thinks that it should be.
Definitely if the rating goes that high. Also if they take 5/5 away, then there is 4/4. Which would be the very same thing. Either rate or don't, and be cool and nice that others have their own opinions on the games at-hand.
This is what I stated my stance on the matter is:
5.0: "Outstanding"
A game that finds itself with a full score is truly remarkable. It is well presented, has enjoyable gameplay, has very few flaws or drawbacks and in general is just a great gaming experience.
Five stars out of five doesn't mean that it is the greatest game and no game could be better. It does mean that it's one of the very best you can download in the opinion of the writer of the review.
Also, Feld is an angry black man.
:)
Illustrious
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author=Thiamor
The fact is, no one has a right to tell anyone else that a game shouldn't be rated a certain thing, or even felt it is perfect or not, if the other person thinks that it should be.
We sure do have a right. It's disagreeing with the review, valid discussion. At the same time, the ones writing the reviews ALSO have the right to review how they want. IMO neither the reviewers or commentors have invalid opinions.
author=Thiamor
Either rate or don't, and be cool and nice that others have their own opinions on the games at-hand.
And also this. Going both ways.
Illustrious
520
If a reviewer would want me to respect his/her right to score a game however they like, the reviewer and other commentors should also respect my right to tell them I disagree with it. Those two things should be able to happen simultaneously without it being considered a nasty argument.
If Roger Ebert wanted to call The Spirits Within the best movie he has watched in his life, no problem. But don't tell me I don't have a right to say just how silly that is to me and how I feel that movie should not get such praise.
If Roger Ebert wanted to call The Spirits Within the best movie he has watched in his life, no problem. But don't tell me I don't have a right to say just how silly that is to me and how I feel that movie should not get such praise.
Illustrious
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author=Despite
It's all an opinion.
And we talk about opinions here, so it's all good. In that regard, the forums and comments are working. There's no reason it needs to stop. I am just surprised how many opinions on little things people tend to get MAD about.
Reviewer: 5 stars, mate. great job on this game!
Person 1 writes: Really, are you kidding me?! This game is so broken, no way it deserves that.
Person 2 writes: ^$^%$^$ he has the right to review however he wants.
Person 1 thinks: I never said he couldn't. it is YOU who says I can't say what I am thinking.
Really, what matters most is how these things are said. Respect.
I meant that in terms of no one has the right to say others don't have a right to an opinion. Because if you get mad that someone rated it perfectly, just because no game on here should be, that is saying they shouldn't have an opinion on the matter.
Illustrious, that seem somewhat pointed at me. Not exactly the point I was trying to make, but I am getting used to that! :)
I propose an alternate timeline of events:
Reviewer: 5 stars, mate. great job on this game!
Person 1 writes: ^$^%$^$ he can't review the game this way!!! this review needs to be pulled, WHERE ARE THE MODS?!
Person 2 writes: Chill bro, have some respect and let the dude speak.
Person 2 thinks: I never said person 1 couldn't comment on the review. it is YOU who says they can't say what they are thinking.
Like you said, respect is key. Sometime it is the only difference between effective criticism and trolling.
As far as the topic at hand, I disagree with WIP immensely on review scores. It would seem rather silly to have a 5/5 but not utilize it. It doesn't signify that the game is perfect, but rather that it is extremely good for its platform. I think the issue here is that, good or bad, we are entirely comfortable having circular arguments about semantics and using logic that doesn't necessarily apply to this medium.
I propose an alternate timeline of events:
Reviewer: 5 stars, mate. great job on this game!
Person 1 writes: ^$^%$^$ he can't review the game this way!!! this review needs to be pulled, WHERE ARE THE MODS?!
Person 2 writes: Chill bro, have some respect and let the dude speak.
Person 2 thinks: I never said person 1 couldn't comment on the review. it is YOU who says they can't say what they are thinking.
Like you said, respect is key. Sometime it is the only difference between effective criticism and trolling.
As far as the topic at hand, I disagree with WIP immensely on review scores. It would seem rather silly to have a 5/5 but not utilize it. It doesn't signify that the game is perfect, but rather that it is extremely good for its platform. I think the issue here is that, good or bad, we are entirely comfortable having circular arguments about semantics and using logic that doesn't necessarily apply to this medium.
I've been rethinking the whole 5/5 thing. I'd probably be willing to award it, but it would be very rare. As in, one out of every 100 games most likely. For instance, on GameFAQs I've given maybe 4 games a 10/10 score: Ocarina of Time, Super Metroid, SMW....maybe Xenogears?
Illustrious
520
Your Person1 would say: This review needs to be pulled, WHERE ARE THE MODS?!
My Person2 would say: The comments section is a pile of shit! Take them out of RMN4
My version of a Person2 is who I directed my comment at. One who truly thinks the answer is to censor conversation rather than believe the problem is in the attitude of the posts. Nah, it was not directed towards you Holbert.
I have given a game with flaws a 5, and I am proud of it. I would love to see more 5 star ratings given judiciously. It's silly to think giving a 5 should mean 5/5 people like it. That thinking would disallow anything to be considered great because everyone must agree. If 2/5 people on earth do not like the automobile and prefer we all bike, walk, or ride horses, should we give cars 3/5 stars on the scale of invention? (Made up stat, but one that would not surprise me) Its a challenge to get 3/5 people to share an opinion on anything. Democracies know this.
Anyway, why should your review reflect how you think everyone else might see it? Who exactly are you speaking for, and do you assume to know them? Evaluation is a personal thing, so speak for yourself.
My Person2 would say: The comments section is a pile of shit! Take them out of RMN4
My version of a Person2 is who I directed my comment at. One who truly thinks the answer is to censor conversation rather than believe the problem is in the attitude of the posts. Nah, it was not directed towards you Holbert.
I have given a game with flaws a 5, and I am proud of it. I would love to see more 5 star ratings given judiciously. It's silly to think giving a 5 should mean 5/5 people like it. That thinking would disallow anything to be considered great because everyone must agree. If 2/5 people on earth do not like the automobile and prefer we all bike, walk, or ride horses, should we give cars 3/5 stars on the scale of invention? (Made up stat, but one that would not surprise me) Its a challenge to get 3/5 people to share an opinion on anything. Democracies know this.
Anyway, why should your review reflect how you think everyone else might see it? Who exactly are you speaking for, and do you assume to know them? Evaluation is a personal thing, so speak for yourself.
My view on all of this is that, if there is at least one aspect of a game that can be improved, then the game is not perfect.
On a 5/5 scale, it's kind of difficult to score something like that, so most of the time we just round up to 5. If the scoring system was by 10 or 100, then I could see this statement being more substantial, but docking a game a full 20% for rather tiny issues doesn't make sense to me.
On a 5/5 scale, it's kind of difficult to score something like that, so most of the time we just round up to 5. If the scoring system was by 10 or 100, then I could see this statement being more substantial, but docking a game a full 20% for rather tiny issues doesn't make sense to me.
SegNin
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So, what exactly is the issue here?
1/5 = terrible (well below average)
2/5 = bad (below average)
3/5 = OK (average)
4/5 = good (above average)
5/5 = excellent (well above average)
Seems pretty clear to me.
1/5 = terrible (well below average)
2/5 = bad (below average)
3/5 = OK (average)
4/5 = good (above average)
5/5 = excellent (well above average)
Seems pretty clear to me.
physhal
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The problem is that the idea of an average game on this site varies wildly from person to person.
It really varies from person to person, do not agree with these attitudes play in the face about what you think about the game, I think the use of constructive criticism would help the game's creator will make it better, but with a rude attitude to comment and rate a certain game... the creator can make you feel bad and therefore to abandon the project... in my view sort of game, I notice all the details in case I have any tips I will comment, if not, i will only qualify under I think the game deserves.
Shiek Ice
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Reviews are often overrated. I used to write alot of them, but you haveto take it with a grain of salt...Especially when a site givbes more 5s than it should.
Take a look at ign; certain 10/10 games are not entirely loved worldwide but are revered by the commercial crowds.... and vice versa
Chrono Cross was a 10/10 and some people give it an 8 at best.. You never know who likes the systems or style that made someone else vote it 10.
Take a look at ign; certain 10/10 games are not entirely loved worldwide but are revered by the commercial crowds.... and vice versa
Chrono Cross was a 10/10 and some people give it an 8 at best.. You never know who likes the systems or style that made someone else vote it 10.
