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Vacant Sky 2010 Roundup
no don't....skill system...very important....you must discover what is hidden in the well...gaaerurugh *turns to stone and crumbles*
Vacant Sky Vol. 1: Contention
yeah as long as auria and rayonne didn't realize she was an angel that would fix that particular aspect
I remember feeling like rayonne just didn't want auria prying into his personal business. which was fair, I thought, since auria is sort of a horrible judgemental person towards everyone. I feel like those scenes can definitely stay as is, but are not enough on their own.
Admittingly I only got the "canon" one of the good endings. After getting the main one, I didn't really have a desire to play the game again. I had read it involved rayonne, but didn't really care about his character enough to play again.
Yeah I got the sense that auria was stepping aside but it definitely seemed to me that rayonne and auria confirmed they had feelings for each other act the end of act 2 and to me there wasn't really a transition between "let's hook up" and "we cannot be together."
I remember feeling like rayonne just didn't want auria prying into his personal business. which was fair, I thought, since auria is sort of a horrible judgemental person towards everyone. I feel like those scenes can definitely stay as is, but are not enough on their own.
Admittingly I only got the "canon" one of the good endings. After getting the main one, I didn't really have a desire to play the game again. I had read it involved rayonne, but didn't really care about his character enough to play again.
Yeah I got the sense that auria was stepping aside but it definitely seemed to me that rayonne and auria confirmed they had feelings for each other act the end of act 2 and to me there wasn't really a transition between "let's hook up" and "we cannot be together."
Vacant Sky Vol. 1: Contention
I recall feeling that people were acting in weird ways while playing, but I can't recall anything right now maybe because sleep deprivation. The whole arc with darxinger is definitely the most glaring example I can think of though.
I suppose there are two huge things that could make the darxinger thing more believable.
1. make it so the person you're enslaving is not of holy descent. i know that darxinger wants her because she's an angel and stuff, but I believe you could write in a different reason for her to want her. this would make it so auria is not really working against herself by selling her into slavery since there is evidence of god's divine work everywhere you turn. i could believe auria selling anyone else into slavery as she is a bitch
2. rayonne hangs on to vel like a remora throughout act 2 and three, but I never got the sense that he was willing to abandon his ideals for her. if it was foreshadowed that he was totally willing to say "fuck it" and do bad things for her sake earlier, I would then believe his actions more as long as, like I said above, the person being sold into slavery was not an angel. Maybe this was touched on in some of the optional dialogue, but not nearly enough. not saying it should be hamfisted, of course, but even one scene where rayonne maybe committed some kind of crime in a misguided attempt to appease vel would go a long way. honestly though, the whole thing does seem to clash with the scene where rayonne saves auria and I don't think there's any way to fix that barring changing that scene but I liked that scene a lot sooo
speaking of that part I don't know how anyone could not like it. I DID feel confused when it seemed like rayonne and auria were gonna hook up but then she becomes some kind of big sister figure. I liked talking to the apparitions of your party members and the music was great. It's not explained why the apparitions are there, but I like it better that way. It was just a joy to talk to those people as opposed to the optional dialogue in towns where everyone gives tons of exposition on the different elf factions and whatnot.
e: the terrible guy, ignoring everything else about your post, I wonder why you would say this game is cliched. rayonne is admittingly somewhat of a walking cliche as he is now but he's sort of the odd man out.
I suppose there are two huge things that could make the darxinger thing more believable.
1. make it so the person you're enslaving is not of holy descent. i know that darxinger wants her because she's an angel and stuff, but I believe you could write in a different reason for her to want her. this would make it so auria is not really working against herself by selling her into slavery since there is evidence of god's divine work everywhere you turn. i could believe auria selling anyone else into slavery as she is a bitch
2. rayonne hangs on to vel like a remora throughout act 2 and three, but I never got the sense that he was willing to abandon his ideals for her. if it was foreshadowed that he was totally willing to say "fuck it" and do bad things for her sake earlier, I would then believe his actions more as long as, like I said above, the person being sold into slavery was not an angel. Maybe this was touched on in some of the optional dialogue, but not nearly enough. not saying it should be hamfisted, of course, but even one scene where rayonne maybe committed some kind of crime in a misguided attempt to appease vel would go a long way. honestly though, the whole thing does seem to clash with the scene where rayonne saves auria and I don't think there's any way to fix that barring changing that scene but I liked that scene a lot sooo
speaking of that part I don't know how anyone could not like it. I DID feel confused when it seemed like rayonne and auria were gonna hook up but then she becomes some kind of big sister figure. I liked talking to the apparitions of your party members and the music was great. It's not explained why the apparitions are there, but I like it better that way. It was just a joy to talk to those people as opposed to the optional dialogue in towns where everyone gives tons of exposition on the different elf factions and whatnot.
e: the terrible guy, ignoring everything else about your post, I wonder why you would say this game is cliched. rayonne is admittingly somewhat of a walking cliche as he is now but he's sort of the odd man out.
Vacant Sky Vol. 1: Contention
also I keep forgetting to mention this but the sequence where rayonne goes to save auria *spoilers* was pretty beautiful to me and by far my favorite part of the three games
Vacant Sky Vol. 1: Contention
okay i change my mind the third option should be to go into the ocean with rayonne in platemail and then tell him there's a demon underwater. but anyway knowing that objectively the best thing to do is leave vel in a coma, I don't understand why this leads to auria going "aarrgh I'm a bad person who only cares about revenge!!" when really at that point in time it seems like leaving vel in a coma is a good thing. also you say the whole party sans rayonne agrees with it and matthew is like "yeah what a loser" but earlier you said
"The case could be made for Matthew and Laaik, who don't approve of Auria's objective on a moral basis; blowing off someone whose life is in danger is crossing the line for them when they already disagreed with Auria's intentions."
this is what I mean when I say that a lot of the time it feels to me like characters are not really acting in a way that would make sense for them.
i know he objects to it. but he still goes along with it. I just didn't buy it! and also it really didn't make sense for me to auria to push him into it since she hates vel and the only "angel/godsword/paladin with a different godsword in your party" thing. Like, I understand she's selfish and horrible but I didn't get the sense that anyone was acting coherently and was just wishing I was playing a game where blaise is a cop who plays by his own rules and gets his man no matter what the cost (make that game)
I guess ejaro could be like "don't do a sex on that girl. everyone is gay now." with his magicvoice
e: regarding musical tracks, the two offhand that I can think of that I found pretty weird were
1. the one that plays in kasch's hometown. I believe the same track plays when it is being abandoned and after raiders have attacked it? it's pretty cheery for the subject matter in both cases.
2.the town right above it. ciel, I think? iirc the track had this weird techno beat in it that didn't seem to fit very well. nevermind I totally remembered this wrong. I could have sworn there was a song like this though
"The case could be made for Matthew and Laaik, who don't approve of Auria's objective on a moral basis; blowing off someone whose life is in danger is crossing the line for them when they already disagreed with Auria's intentions."
this is what I mean when I say that a lot of the time it feels to me like characters are not really acting in a way that would make sense for them.
i know he objects to it. but he still goes along with it. I just didn't buy it! and also it really didn't make sense for me to auria to push him into it since she hates vel and the only "angel/godsword/paladin with a different godsword in your party" thing. Like, I understand she's selfish and horrible but I didn't get the sense that anyone was acting coherently and was just wishing I was playing a game where blaise is a cop who plays by his own rules and gets his man no matter what the cost (make that game)
I guess ejaro could be like "don't do a sex on that girl. everyone is gay now." with his magicvoice
e: regarding musical tracks, the two offhand that I can think of that I found pretty weird were
1. the one that plays in kasch's hometown. I believe the same track plays when it is being abandoned and after raiders have attacked it? it's pretty cheery for the subject matter in both cases.
2.
reign of terror over
Vacant Sky Vol. 1: Contention
The benefit I spoke of was leaving the lying mana vampire in a coma.
I believe the "best option" considering what the characters knew at that point in time would be to leave her in a coma.
regardless of why he wants to kill all the bad dudes, I would still say that the most distinct part of his personality was killing bad dudes so I don't really buy that he would just go "yeah whatever you can have this angel beelzebub" I guess what I'm saying is that the character you wanted raymond (was that his name) to be and the character I found him to be were different.
yes that would have been a preferable ending to be honest.
oh and concerning kasch, I never really took that he was meant to be a slam on the concept of morality becauuuuse I pretty much thought he was insane. it seemed pretty obvious to me that he was a broken man who had everything taken from him and was trying to force the world to make sense by villainizing auria despite nothing he blamed her for really being her fault. like, maybe he thought he was showing how morality is subjective and blah blah blah, but I thought I was not supposed to really take anything he said seriously (because he was an asshole) that said, he was a fairly interesting character in this sense and I was disappointed I didn't see him again.
also the "canon" ending, where ejaro wants to revive the mana vampires, didn't make sense to me. the mana vampires are going to feed off all the normal people until the normies die, right? so then....then what happens. the mana vampires die again with nobody to feed off of. ejaro did you think this plan through
I believe the "best option" considering what the characters knew at that point in time would be to leave her in a coma.
regardless of why he wants to kill all the bad dudes, I would still say that the most distinct part of his personality was killing bad dudes so I don't really buy that he would just go "yeah whatever you can have this angel beelzebub" I guess what I'm saying is that the character you wanted raymond (was that his name) to be and the character I found him to be were different.
yes that would have been a preferable ending to be honest.
oh and concerning kasch, I never really took that he was meant to be a slam on the concept of morality becauuuuse I pretty much thought he was insane. it seemed pretty obvious to me that he was a broken man who had everything taken from him and was trying to force the world to make sense by villainizing auria despite nothing he blamed her for really being her fault. like, maybe he thought he was showing how morality is subjective and blah blah blah, but I thought I was not supposed to really take anything he said seriously (because he was an asshole) that said, he was a fairly interesting character in this sense and I was disappointed I didn't see him again.
also the "canon" ending, where ejaro wants to revive the mana vampires, didn't make sense to me. the mana vampires are going to feed off all the normal people until the normies die, right? so then....then what happens. the mana vampires die again with nobody to feed off of. ejaro did you think this plan through
2010 Misao Winners
She decides to blow off saving someone else's life in order to go kill someone for no real benefit.
okay the thing is there is a very obvious benefit. and that is that this person puts people into comas that are irreversible without the help of a rare magical artifact. at this point in the game, to everyone's knowledge, we would be better off not saving this person. regardless of how you justify it afterwards, the fact remains that I, the player, am forced to make a choice between bestowing mercy on a clearly harmful individual and actually doing something important.
I wrote the game to tell a story, not to try to convey a message.
I am not saying the game has a moral to it. I am saying that I, the player, am punished for not choosing the more 'moral' of the two options.
What don't you accept about this? Goku is firmly established to be bull-headed, immature, hypocritical, and headstrong. He's a lonely loser with an inferiority complex and for the first time in his unextraordinary life, a omggirl!!! is head over heels for him. He's a miserable attention-seeker and the only person who isn't his mother that has ever shown an interest in him is dying. He doesn't care about what she's done, he cares about this large-breasted girl whose vacuous skull is filled with nothing but adoration for him.
another big part of his character is "kill all the evil dudes." so much that he murders the main character's friend because some guy in sunglasses said she was a demon. i found this to be by and far the most distinct part of his personality and find it hard to believe that this guy, the guy who ran into a swirling hellfire of death to save someone who was basically a jerk to him from day 1 for no other reason than "saving friends is cool," no matter how much of a dumb virgin he is, would sell an angel into slavery. frankly i did not really find any hint in the game that i played that this guy had never had any girl show interest in him. auria, certainly, but then she is a horrible person so
With regard to the sword, you have a point, but it's not "firmly established" that god is real.
a literal angel
In Act II, the choice which was arguably the morally correct route was to attempt to save both Serijala and Matthew from Kasch,
i don't think that actually has anything to do with morality and also that guy was dumb.
She neither dies nor gets raped. He wants her to be an eternal trophy and because of the revelation in Maladorr manor (which I won't mention since it's one of the like two spoilers I care about not being ruined for prospective players), the two go hand in hand.
okay regardless of what you wanted when I am forced to become the "wife" of someone who keeps consorts in a game with two other rape-related scenes I can only think one thing!!!! spoilers there are ways to have sex without getting someone pregnant and also abortions probably exist or something spoilers
Did you really think that fighting Darxinger was the way to go? I know several people knew that challenging him was a mistake but still went ahead with it out of curiosity to see what would happen.
i was fully under the impression that if I did not fight him I would get a gameover. multiquotes make me feel unclean
2010 Misao Winners
no i don't really think i am stretching and would call that lesbian scene rape if it happened irl
it's not unreasonable to have optional bosses and "endgame content" in ng+ if you will. that sequence is unreasonable, however, for the following reasons:
the reason you are dealing with that boss in the first place is that you're trying to get your comrade out of a coma. well, not really a comrade at all, actually. more like a lying mana vampire that puts others into comas and doesn't really contribute anything at all. there is eventually good justification for this character's behavior, but at this point in the game, nobody knows about it, so there is no reason to help this person other than to pacify the retard goku archetype in your party. you also have a much more important goal at hand! But no, you have to help this person. If you don't, you get railroaded into bad ending where everyone leaves you for being mean. so the obvious lesson is "act moral." okay. rpgs.
but then we come to xXxdemonlordicusxXx. okay, i accept that our heroes will deal with unsavory types to get what they want. what i do not accept is that they (including the goku archetype who basically forces you to do all this lest he let someone who has been deceiving him remain in a coma) even consider selling a literal angel into slavery when it is firmly established that god is real. hell, the goku archetype even has a blessed weapon while the heroine has a weapon literally made by god. why are they doing this. why. i can't even imagine the most pathetic youtube atheist selling an angel into slavery to save someone in a coma because you are selling someone into slavery. but all is not lost. you do have the option of fighting this guy!!! except as said before it is not possible to win on your first game because he regens more damage than you can deal in a single round. so after choosing to "act moral" (because the game has basically beaten it into you at this point that if you do not act morally you get bad endings) you get a bad ending where you are forced to become this pervert's wife and the goku archetype is turned into a demon. i am literally, when first playing this game, forced into choosing a)if I want my characters to act how they've been characterized for the last nine hours and not be monsters or b)rapedeath with every possible clue telling me that the way to not get a game over is to fight this guy. i submit that there is not one single person on this entire horrible plane of existence who managed to succesfully run vacant sky's bad ending gauntlet on their first try. i feel as if i was tricked into being raped by you, sailerius.
you raped me.
it's not unreasonable to have optional bosses and "endgame content" in ng+ if you will. that sequence is unreasonable, however, for the following reasons:
the reason you are dealing with that boss in the first place is that you're trying to get your comrade out of a coma. well, not really a comrade at all, actually. more like a lying mana vampire that puts others into comas and doesn't really contribute anything at all. there is eventually good justification for this character's behavior, but at this point in the game, nobody knows about it, so there is no reason to help this person other than to pacify the retard goku archetype in your party. you also have a much more important goal at hand! But no, you have to help this person. If you don't, you get railroaded into bad ending where everyone leaves you for being mean. so the obvious lesson is "act moral." okay. rpgs.
but then we come to xXxdemonlordicusxXx. okay, i accept that our heroes will deal with unsavory types to get what they want. what i do not accept is that they (including the goku archetype who basically forces you to do all this lest he let someone who has been deceiving him remain in a coma) even consider selling a literal angel into slavery when it is firmly established that god is real. hell, the goku archetype even has a blessed weapon while the heroine has a weapon literally made by god. why are they doing this. why. i can't even imagine the most pathetic youtube atheist selling an angel into slavery to save someone in a coma because you are selling someone into slavery. but all is not lost. you do have the option of fighting this guy!!! except as said before it is not possible to win on your first game because he regens more damage than you can deal in a single round. so after choosing to "act moral" (because the game has basically beaten it into you at this point that if you do not act morally you get bad endings) you get a bad ending where you are forced to become this pervert's wife and the goku archetype is turned into a demon. i am literally, when first playing this game, forced into choosing a)if I want my characters to act how they've been characterized for the last nine hours and not be monsters or b)rapedeath with every possible clue telling me that the way to not get a game over is to fight this guy. i submit that there is not one single person on this entire horrible plane of existence who managed to succesfully run vacant sky's bad ending gauntlet on their first try. i feel as if i was tricked into being raped by you, sailerius.
you raped me.
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