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so if anyone who knows happens to see this status, what xactly happened to Yanfly? PM me if you'd be so kind.
StormCrow- 10/30/2019 06:19 PM
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Closeshit got stolen
thief got a lot of backing from wankers
gonna put up a paywall for scripts
wankers very mad
fuck them, hail yanfly
thief got a lot of backing from wankers
gonna put up a paywall for scripts
wankers very mad
fuck them, hail yanfly
StormCrow
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Knew about the paywall decision, trying to figure out what exactly caused it. What wankers would back a thief? That's what's baffling me.
Is the thief this despicable master2015hp/"Isabella Ava" toilet person that I gave a choice piece of my mind about four hours ago? I've been assuming not because when YF talks about feeling massively betrayed, it doesn't make sense to me that she's talking about a single bad actor like this woman.
Is the thief this despicable master2015hp/"Isabella Ava" toilet person that I gave a choice piece of my mind about four hours ago? I've been assuming not because when YF talks about feeling massively betrayed, it doesn't make sense to me that she's talking about a single bad actor like this woman.
A discord community decided to side with the thief over Yanfly, stating that they believe the thievery could be coincidence. The thief is already a bad actor that's been banned from sites and I believe even owned up to the stealing, so it must have hit pretty hard to be treated like that.
StormCrow
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Wow. In general I'm not very much for name and shame, but by all means name that Discord community so it can be shamed.
Mainly for being FUCKING IDIOTS. I am as code illiterate as one can be and still make video games, but even I can see that YF presents ample proof here that there's no way this was a fucking coincidence. The plugins don't just look exactly the same on the outside, there was a specific idiosyncrasy/quirk of YF's code that was copied over as well.
What kind of troglodytes can perform the mental gymnastics necessary to convince themselves it was "a coincidence" in the face of that?
Er, pardon all my swears unity.
I really don't get why the THIEF has supporters? Even from the least altruistic, most "i-don't-give-a-shit-about-right-and-wrong-i'm-just-looking-out-for-me" ethical position POSSIBLE, you are still siding with someone trying to sell you something over someone that has been GIVING YOU THE SAME EXACT THING FOR FREE. I. Don't. Get. It.
Most entities and mindsets I don't like I can at least understand the root of where they come from: bigotry, authoritarianism, sexism, racism, homophobia, corporations, prudish or puritanical mindsets, laws. But I can't wrap my mind around why, whether the code was stolen or not (and don't get me wrong, it was), there's a loud angry vocal group that apparently wants the $10.00 plugin over the free plugin? I realize I'm belaboring the point--like I do--even if master2015hp DIDN'T STEAL ANYTHING, s/he is still selling for $10.00 a virtually identical plugin to the one that YF's been giving away for free.
Mainly for being FUCKING IDIOTS. I am as code illiterate as one can be and still make video games, but even I can see that YF presents ample proof here that there's no way this was a fucking coincidence. The plugins don't just look exactly the same on the outside, there was a specific idiosyncrasy/quirk of YF's code that was copied over as well.
What kind of troglodytes can perform the mental gymnastics necessary to convince themselves it was "a coincidence" in the face of that?
Er, pardon all my swears unity.
I really don't get why the THIEF has supporters? Even from the least altruistic, most "i-don't-give-a-shit-about-right-and-wrong-i'm-just-looking-out-for-me" ethical position POSSIBLE, you are still siding with someone trying to sell you something over someone that has been GIVING YOU THE SAME EXACT THING FOR FREE. I. Don't. Get. It.
Most entities and mindsets I don't like I can at least understand the root of where they come from: bigotry, authoritarianism, sexism, racism, homophobia, corporations, prudish or puritanical mindsets, laws. But I can't wrap my mind around why, whether the code was stolen or not (and don't get me wrong, it was), there's a loud angry vocal group that apparently wants the $10.00 plugin over the free plugin? I realize I'm belaboring the point--like I do--even if master2015hp DIDN'T STEAL ANYTHING, s/he is still selling for $10.00 a virtually identical plugin to the one that YF's been giving away for free.
bicfarmer
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u probably already know someones selling rmn games on app store. Theres thousands of people in the world that will be looking to sell free stuff and make a quick buck. It's just like trying to stop game pirates, theres too many of them. And ppl will usually side with there friends over non-friends.
StormCrow
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EDIT: Okay. I finally found the gross core of the drama and obviously wish I hadn't. But I've got this compulsive need to understand, so now I understand.
bla everyone and everything is awful
bla everyone and everything is awful
I don't know anywhere near enough about code to know if Yanfly's comparisons constitute proof or not so I have no opinion about that. The people identified (Craze's wankers) were concerned that there was insufficient proof before unilateral action was taken against this person and whether they are right or wrong their actions make sense. This entire time I have thought their stated position was "yeah, our friend stole some code but uh, FUCK YOU", in reality their position was more along the lines of "your proof isn't actually proof". And then it gets very technical and frankly goes way over my head.
I will continue to side with Yanfly, because I owe him for years of free shit and because YF is friends with Nessy & Liberty who are a couple of my legit heroes, and because in general this community has decided that this person is a thief and I accept that judgement. But typing that sentence I also completely get the putative wankers' concerns about tribalism and the enormous power that Yanfly possesses in this community. The process of Yanfly accusing this person of Plagiarism and this person being convicted of Plagiarism by that Discord were one and the same. There was no process, due or otherwise. No investigation. The Defendant was banned and judgement was passed. I don't particularly care, I just understand why THEY care. Personally, I think that YF knows his shit (I would go so far as to say he's a genius, and like most geniuses, sometimes not easy to get along with) and if he says he sniffed out plagiarism, then I believe that he did. It's just now I understand the other side's concerns re: ingroup/outgroup, cliqueishness, lack of "due process", "favoritism", etcetera.
There has been no financial harm to the person who I still, push come to shove, believe committed plagiarism. Clearly itch.io did not find Yanfly's proof as compelling as the community. The same fucking probably stolen plugin is still up there. The borogroves are still all mimsy, and the mome raths are still outgrabing. In other words, shitty world keeps a turning, nothing has changed.
I will continue to side with Yanfly, because I owe him for years of free shit and because YF is friends with Nessy & Liberty who are a couple of my legit heroes, and because in general this community has decided that this person is a thief and I accept that judgement. But typing that sentence I also completely get the putative wankers' concerns about tribalism and the enormous power that Yanfly possesses in this community. The process of Yanfly accusing this person of Plagiarism and this person being convicted of Plagiarism by that Discord were one and the same. There was no process, due or otherwise. No investigation. The Defendant was banned and judgement was passed. I don't particularly care, I just understand why THEY care. Personally, I think that YF knows his shit (I would go so far as to say he's a genius, and like most geniuses, sometimes not easy to get along with) and if he says he sniffed out plagiarism, then I believe that he did. It's just now I understand the other side's concerns re: ingroup/outgroup, cliqueishness, lack of "due process", "favoritism", etcetera.
There has been no financial harm to the person who I still, push come to shove, believe committed plagiarism. Clearly itch.io did not find Yanfly's proof as compelling as the community. The same fucking probably stolen plugin is still up there. The borogroves are still all mimsy, and the mome raths are still outgrabing. In other words, shitty world keeps a turning, nothing has changed.
Your analysis seems pretty spot on. I think it's fine that the group wanted to assess the situation before rushing to a ban and perhaps Yanfly should have chilled and been more patient with them, but on the other hand the thief is apparently a bad actor who has caused trouble and been banned before for trying questionable stuff, and pretty much spit in Yanfly's face when asked about the theft.
I can't claim to have absolutely all the facts nor am I anything of a coder so I can't speak to the legitimacy of the theft claims. I can't say that Yanfly wasn't trying to throw his weight around a bit to get this person banned either.
But what I do know is that Yanfly's been busting his butt for this community for so many years and that many people providing content for game makers have been stolen from and treated poorly. I can't really blame him for deciding to paywall his stuff and for a mere $30 I felt it was worth supporting him.
tldr:the situation isn't 100% black and white, but I think it's pretty easy to side with someone who's been a pillar of the community and has done so much for RPG Maker over a troublemaker, rulebreaker asshole.
EDIT: Some very talented coders, including Fomar (who I know and trust 100% completely) also think that the code was stolen, sooooo yeah, forget what I said about the situation not being 100% black and white.
Yanfly was wronged and was correct in his assertions. And now entitled assholes are popping up and using this as an opportunity to attack and defame him, making accounts on twitter with names like "BoycottYanfly." It's shameless and terrible.
Nessy has also been doing a series of tweets about Yanfly and his support for the community, and the time he was shot in a bank robbery, was in a coma for an extended period of time and lost his job, and people still felt they were entitled to more from him while he was literally unable to provide free stuff from them.
I can't claim to have absolutely all the facts nor am I anything of a coder so I can't speak to the legitimacy of the theft claims. I can't say that Yanfly wasn't trying to throw his weight around a bit to get this person banned either.
But what I do know is that Yanfly's been busting his butt for this community for so many years and that many people providing content for game makers have been stolen from and treated poorly. I can't really blame him for deciding to paywall his stuff and for a mere $30 I felt it was worth supporting him.
tldr:
EDIT: Some very talented coders, including Fomar (who I know and trust 100% completely) also think that the code was stolen, sooooo yeah, forget what I said about the situation not being 100% black and white.
Yanfly was wronged and was correct in his assertions. And now entitled assholes are popping up and using this as an opportunity to attack and defame him, making accounts on twitter with names like "BoycottYanfly." It's shameless and terrible.
Nessy has also been doing a series of tweets about Yanfly and his support for the community, and the time he was shot in a bank robbery, was in a coma for an extended period of time and lost his job, and people still felt they were entitled to more from him while he was literally unable to provide free stuff from them.
StormCrow
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As for the code I'm inclined to take Fomar's word for it. I was looking at it and I couldn't find a lot of similarity but I am the very definition of untrained eye when it comes to this.
However/wherever I got the the "Yanfly Drama" logs I literally can't remember (I read all of it -- all of everything I got anyway) but from them the moderators on the Discord just seemed like they were being reasonable and trying not to rush to any decisions. They obviously did not like YF demanding someone be banned and it happening instantly w/ no investigation which is understandable. Specifically, SRD's behavior seemed consistent with him trying to act in accordance with his conscience, not a grudge against YF.
These "BoycottYanfly" fucks however should all be fed feet first into a woodchipper, though, and if they are, any of them, the same people I saw putting on a very convincing show of being reasonable adults in those discord logs, WOW those be some two-faced shitweasels. (They're also dumbasses: you can't boycott someone that's retired.)
YF's too selfless to do it for himself, but I wish we could like pull $500.00 from his Patreon to send the guy on a spa day or something. He's really earned some time to relax and be distant from this toxic crabshit. In my opinion that would be a good use of the money he's decided (remarkably) to keep pouring back into the RM Community.
what
wait. wait.wait.wait.wait.wait.
WHAT?
that's...a...joke...right? like a "ha ha" funny joke?
that cannot be a real thing that actually happened.
can...it?
author=myherounity
And now entitled assholes are popping up and using this as an opportunity to attack and defame him, making accounts on twitter with names like "BoycottYanfly." It's shameless and terrible.
However/wherever I got the the "Yanfly Drama" logs I literally can't remember (I read all of it -- all of everything I got anyway) but from them the moderators on the Discord just seemed like they were being reasonable and trying not to rush to any decisions. They obviously did not like YF demanding someone be banned and it happening instantly w/ no investigation which is understandable. Specifically, SRD's behavior seemed consistent with him trying to act in accordance with his conscience, not a grudge against YF.
These "BoycottYanfly" fucks however should all be fed feet first into a woodchipper, though, and if they are, any of them, the same people I saw putting on a very convincing show of being reasonable adults in those discord logs, WOW those be some two-faced shitweasels. (They're also dumbasses: you can't boycott someone that's retired.)
YF's too selfless to do it for himself, but I wish we could like pull $500.00 from his Patreon to send the guy on a spa day or something. He's really earned some time to relax and be distant from this toxic crabshit. In my opinion that would be a good use of the money he's decided (remarkably) to keep pouring back into the RM Community.
author=myherounity
and the time he was shot in a bank robbery, was in a coma for an extended period of time and lost his job, and people still felt they were entitled to more from him while he was literally unable to provide free stuff from them.
what
wait. wait.wait.wait.wait.wait.
WHAT?
that's...a...joke...right? like a "ha ha" funny joke?
that cannot be a real thing that actually happened.
can...it?
Sooz
They told me I was mad when I said I was going to create a spidertable. Who’s laughing now!!!
5354
The boycott dude(s) showed up before the retirement announcement.
Poor guy.. kudos to his conviction, and all power to his decision to devote his time and efforts elsewhere.
It's a shame, but for the best, I feel. May he get some time to recover from this bs.
It's a shame, but for the best, I feel. May he get some time to recover from this bs.
Sidewinder
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author=StormCrow
that cannot be a real thing that actually happened.
can...it?
Archeia seems to think so.
author=StormCrow
As for the code I'm inclined to take Fomar's word for it. I was looking at it and I couldn't find a lot of similarity but I am the very definition of untrained eye when it comes to this.author=myherounity
And now entitled assholes are popping up and using this as an opportunity to attack and defame him, making accounts on twitter with names like "BoycottYanfly." It's shameless and terrible.
However/wherever I got the the "Yanfly Drama" logs I literally can't remember (I read all of it -- all of everything I got anyway) but from them the moderators on the Discord just seemed like they were being reasonable and trying not to rush to any decisions. They obviously did not like YF demanding someone be banned and it happening instantly w/ no investigation which is understandable. Specifically, SRD's behavior seemed consistent with him trying to act in accordance with his conscience, not a grudge against YF.
Yeah I can't begrudge anyone who was trying to be sensible and wait to get a better opinion, but the fact that there were people saying "Theft? I don't see no theft" who were apparently not knowledgeable enough to judge the code still rubs me the wrong way.
Again, I'm sure things could have been done better on all sides and Yanfly could have tried to be more patient, but it felt like at that point he was at the end of his patience with people stealing his work like that. Would I have done the same? I don't know (I don't like demanding stuff on my behalf but on the other hand, I'm pretty adamant about banning people who steal, tho it's important to have solid proof of course).
Could it have been handled better? Yes. I'm fine with people who were hesitant and wanted more time to analyze. But I can't excuse the people jumping to dismiss the theft claim or deciding to use this as an excuse to lash out at Yanfly, which seemed to spill out of the discord and into forums and twitter very quickly. And again, the thief is a known bad actor and everything I said earlier.
EDIT: And I just noticed you quoted me as "myherounity"!!! Thanks very much, I'm so happy you feel that way! :DDDDDD
author=Sidewinderauthor=StormCrowArcheia seems to think so.
that cannot be a real thing that actually happened.
can...it?
Yep! It really happened, but I don't know the details beyond what Nessy tweeted about.
author=unity
EDIT: And I just noticed you quoted me as "myherounity"!!! Thanks very much, I'm so happy you feel that way! :DDDDDD
*Edit: This banner also applies to Yanfly. A true Hero of the RPG Maker Realm!
StormCrow
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author=Sidewinderauthor=StormCrowArcheia seems to think so.
that cannot be a real thing that actually happened.
can...it?
tbc I wasn't actually expressing DOUBT just ASTONISHMENT. I mean, I do believe it's true, just HOLY SHIT, y'know?
@unity: <3
thx everyone for giving me your $0.02 and alleviating my curiosity about this. while I wish the vibes were more pleasant, I think that the circumstances YF is actually leaving the community under are more than fair, at least to the community. I do think it's kind of funny I asked people to PM me and then this entire conversation happened public w/o a single PM, not gonna lie.
And yes, Yanfly is definitely one of my RM heroes, no question. I've said so before but so many of my games have benefited from so much of his code it's unreal.
Irog
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What happen to Yanfly is just revolting. People taking his work, claim it's their own and sell it! Their selfish act of theft hurt Yan a lot and also the whole community. I don't know how I would react if my code gets stolen like this.
Thanks you Yan for the many scripts you shared. They help everyone to build the great RM games I enjoy playing. Fellow coder & dev, I wish you the best in your new projects!
Thanks you Yan for the many scripts you shared. They help everyone to build the great RM games I enjoy playing. Fellow coder & dev, I wish you the best in your new projects!
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