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CloseMmm, nothin' like watching my dogs fight and bite at each other playfully for 30 minutes straight. Both of 'em were panting happily at the end and just lying down. It was the most entertaining thing, I swear.
pianotmI know this may incite a flame war, but I'd say - not all religion, just some.
She writes that according to Buddhism, "Having a child is a sin." ... << This is religion.
Interesting story nonetheless. What do y'all think about the spreading of free ideas and freedom of speech vs. the discussion of religion being not encouraged IRL and even on boards? Even mention of the word is being shunned.
Well, there is "free speech" and there is "abusing your position of power to ostracize a child". I think this case falls into the latter category.
author=CashmereCatauthor=pianotmDepends what "forcibly convert" means. Could have just been sitting the Buddhist down and talking about faith.
There's an article about a lawsuit against the Louisiana board of education for supporting a teacher's efforts to forcibly convert a Buddhist student to Christianity.
This is still not okay. Religion can be taught academically, but religious coercion by someone with authority to a vulnerable child is wrong.
Ned Flanders: Let's thank the Lord for another beautiful day.
Superintendent Chalmers: "Thank the Lo-Thank the Lord?!" That sounded like a prayer. A prayer in a public school. God has no place within these walls, just like facts have no place within an organized religion!
Corfaisus
"It's frustrating because - as much as Corf is otherwise an irredeemable person - his 2k/3 mapping is on point." ~ psy_wombats
7874
author=CashmereCatauthor=pianotmDepends what "forcibly convert" means. Could have just been sitting the Buddhist down and talking about faith.
There's an article about a lawsuit against the Louisiana board of education for supporting a teacher's efforts to forcibly convert a Buddhist student to Christianity.
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/1-tennessee-passes-bill-allowing-lgbt-students-to-be-bullied-in-the-name-of-religious-freedom/news/2014/03/25/84801
It can (and has) go/gone too far.
From what is written in Romans, Christians are to be witnesses of Christ Jesus to those who come seeking/asking; it never said anything about badgering people out of the blue. If people read the book, they'd understand that you at least have to respect people's religious beliefs. And seeing as Christianity is just a bastardization of Judaism, I think Paul (the one who wrote said book) would see that as much as anyone.
Not giving a shit is way better than any religion I've ever heard of. Works best for me, fuck those stupid "holy" books.
Also, you gotta take any law passed in the States with a grain of salt. It's crazier than Willie Wonka's Chocolate Factory in some of those courthouses.
Also, you gotta take any law passed in the States with a grain of salt. It's crazier than Willie Wonka's Chocolate Factory in some of those courthouses.
author=CashmereCatauthor=pianotmDepends what "forcibly convert" means. Could have just been sitting the Buddhist down and talking about faith.
There's an article about a lawsuit against the Louisiana board of education for supporting a teacher's efforts to forcibly convert a Buddhist student to Christianity.
No, this lady shouted at this kid calling him stupid for not believing in Jesus, constantly picked on him in class, made examples before the class about why he wasn't as intelligent as them, made test close-ended test questions requiring "Jesus" and "The Lord" as answers (one of them punctuated with 42 exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). This was a public school, mind you. When the parents complained to the board commissioner (an elected official) he recommended they either convert to Christianity or transfer their son to an area with more Asian students.
CashmereCatpianotmI know this may incite a flame war, but I'd say - not all religion, just some.
She writes that according to Buddhism, "Having a child is a sin." ... << This is religion.
No interest in a flame war. At this point, it's just a discussion, right?
It is true that religion is only as bad as the human force directing it.
But I ask you this: what makes a good religion?
MajoracanKing
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author=pianotm
No interest in a flame war. At this point, it's just a discussion, right?
It is true that religion is only as bad as the human force directing it.
But I ask you this: what makes a good religion?
I'll start by saying that I'm christian, but we don't see it as a religion. Its more of a relationship with God. We don't condemn other people for their beliefs. So those teachers must have some clouded view of right and wrong, and how to go about (peacefully) trying to convert people. A Real Christian's goal shouldn't be forcing their ideal onto others. We shouldn't judge a group of people based on something a few of them did.
I hope my opinion isn't immediately discarded just because I'm 14
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
3885
Every big community has a few loud, irrational people that ruin the entire community for others. Religions (and I consider Atheism to be a religion too) are the same way. Although I greatly respect the ability to blindly believe in something, (as a suspicious agnostic, I lack the ability to do so), I think that when religion becomes organized, it will be inevitable that radical thinkers start popping up. I understand people's want to have a circle of like-minded people to be a part of, but I think the bigger the groups get, the worse they become. I may just have been indoctrinated with an anti-organized-religion viewpoint by the final fantasy games, though.
Corfaisus
"It's frustrating because - as much as Corf is otherwise an irredeemable person - his 2k/3 mapping is on point." ~ psy_wombats
7874
Hell, Jesus himself wasn't too keen on organized religion (look where that got him), and everyone else that world religions have been founded by were far-less-than-perfect individuals. Frankly, believe only what you truly believe. Answer only for your own faith.
Blanket faith makes blanket people, and I'm not a damn blanket.
Blanket faith makes blanket people, and I'm not a damn blanket.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
I got polio from you, so I beg to differ.
Arandomgamemaker
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Blankets are nice. So are cats. Except when they poop on the floor.
Ignoring religious argument because it's like eating your own hand.
Ignoring religious argument because it's like eating your own hand.
author=MajoracanKingauthor=pianotmI'll start by saying that I'm christian, but we don't see it as a religion. Its more of a relationship with God. We don't condemn other people for their beliefs. So those teachers must have some clouded view of right and wrong, and how to go about (peacefully) trying to convert people. A Real Christian's goal shouldn't be forcing their ideal onto others. We shouldn't judge a group of people based on something a few of them did.
No interest in a flame war. At this point, it's just a discussion, right?
It is true that religion is only as bad as the human force directing it.
But I ask you this: what makes a good religion?
I hope my opinion isn't immediately discarded just because I'm 14
Okay, let's work on understanding the difference between religion and spirituality.
Spirituality is the belief: it is your pursuit of god or goddess or divine or deva or source or zoe or whatever you believe in. As we grow in our spirituality we learn that god is not really a living thing or a person or even a consciousness, but an abstraction, a unifying idea. God does not create us. We create god, and god is real. This is what is meant when psychologists make the mistake of calling this a mass-delusion. This goes back to what I was saying about government being a mass-delusion. It's a figment of our imagination but so many of put so much energy into believing in it that it becomes real. There is actual directed energy that we can perceive, but we've elevated god to the point that not only have we forgotten that we create him, but the very idea becomes blasphemous.
Religion is the organization: this is the church and the congregation and the choir. It's function is to direct our spiritual energy, confine, and contain it. It's the buildings, it's the pastor with the Bible telling you you're going to hell if you believe in women's rights (yes, we've got a pastor on TV right now who's talking about how women shouldn't say amen in church because in the Bible, a woman is to be silent, even if she has a question: she can wait until after church and ask her husband), or if you recite the Lord's Prayer the wrong way.
So what makes a good religion? MajorcanKing has a good answer. Any other answers?
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
author=pianotmIf you ask a nonreligious person, they might say something about... improving the world or whatever they think people are subconsciously trying to get out of religion?
So what makes a good religion?
But, to the person who believes it, the only thing that matters in a religion is whether it's correct. You choose a religion because you believe it's correct, not because of the good it does for other people or because it has historically caused less harm.
author=pianotm
So what makes a good religion?
Is there such a thing?
What's your criteria?
Who gets to decide?
IMO, a religion that can decently answer questions like "Why do young children suffer?" is a religion worth considering.
author=LockeZauthor=pianotmIf you ask a nonreligious person, they might say something about... improving the world or whatever they think people are subconsciously trying to get out of religion?
So what makes a good religion?
But, to the person who believes it, the only thing that matters in a religion is whether it's correct. You choose a religion because you believe it's correct, not because of the good it does for other people or because it has historically caused less harm.
And this is my problem with religion, right here. LockeZ has hit the nail on the head. Religion is that which makes the believer right and everyone else wrong, and to be wrong is to deserve death.
author=Isrieriauthor=pianotmIs there such a thing?
So what makes a good religion?
What's your criteria?
Who gets to decide?
All excellent questions, but I can easily answer the last one: whoever gets to decide, it isn't you. It's never you.
author=Yellow Magic
IMO, a religion that can decently answer questions like "Why do young children suffer?" is a religion worth considering.
Ah, the questions...Well, Yellow Magic, you're one who may wish to consider Buddhism, because they DO have decent answers to questions like that. Everything is sorrow: this is the first noble truth, and if you think about it, this is essentially correct. Our mortal shells are only capable of experiencing pain. Pleasure even carries an element of pain, and the more intense the pleasure, the greater the pain. We all suffer, every waking moment of our lives. Those of us who don't believe that should stop and consider, "What do we really have to judge by?"
I am not Buddhist, but my instinct knows a glaring fact when it slaps me in the face. We must kill to survive, whether we're eating animals or plants. Everything we love perishes. When what we love perishes, our memories barely do them justice, are fleeting, and in time are lost. Memories only last forever in the movies. Take my word for it. Then, our final compensation is that we get to die too. Now, I know this isn't all there is to life, but I also know that this is the drum beat we all march to.
At least we have gam mak to cheer us up.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
3885
author=pianotm
And this is my problem with religion, right here. LockeZ has hit the nail on the head. Religion is that which makes the believer right and everyone else wrong, and to be wrong is to deserve death.
Although there certainly are people who think like this, there are plenty of religious people who believe their God to be merciful and think that even non-believers will be saved. Saying that to a religious person, not believing means death strikes me as a little bigoted.
author=pianotm
I am not Buddhist, but my instinct knows a glaring fact when it slaps me in the face. We must kill to survive, whether we're eating animals or plants. Everything we love perishes. When what we love perishes, our memories barely do them justice, are fleeting, and in time are lost. Memories only last forever in the movies. Take my word for it. Then, our final compensation is that we get to die too. Now, I know this isn't all there is to life, but I also know that this is the drum beat we all march to.
Are you a nihilist? Certainly you could argue life in itself has no meaning, and I would agree with you, but isn't this one of the reasons religion was created? Religion was necessary in the olden days to give an aetias, a reason behind the world existing the way it does, but it also tries to answer the question of 'why do I, as a person, exist?' To be able formulate a non-nihilistic answer to that question is one of the things I deeply respect about religious people. Life in itsf might be meaningless, but with so many people giving it meaning for themselves, can you truly say it is meaningless?
And there goes this topic. Oh, nothing but religion talk? *yawn* I see, guess I'll have to wait for this to ultimately solve nothing so people can post random bullcrapery again.
Corfaisus
"It's frustrating because - as much as Corf is otherwise an irredeemable person - his 2k/3 mapping is on point." ~ psy_wombats
7874
author=InfectionFiles
And there goes this topic. Oh, nothing but religion talk? *yawn* I see, guess I'll have to wait for this to ultimately solve nothing so people can post random bullcrapery again.
If you come onto the surface of the internet expecting anything to be solved, you're delusional. There are bound to be special interest groups that are more focused on actually "solving" something, however, this is no such place.
You're more than welcome to post all the "random bullcrapery" you want, you have such capabilities, so I wouldn't go blaming anyone but yourself for any perceived lack.
author=Jeroen_Solauthor=pianotmAlthough there certainly are people who think like this, there are plenty of religious people who believe their God to be merciful and think that even non-believers will be saved. Saying that to a religious person, not believing means death strikes me as a littke bigoted.
And this is my problem with religion, right here. LockeZ has hit the nail on the head. Religion is that which makes the believer right and everyone else wrong, and to be wrong is to deserve death.
You cannot look me square in the eye and say that the "laws" of eternal joy or eternal pain are not predominant strategies of religions (mainly Christianity, in my experience) to convert and condemn everyone who doesn't comply fully to their established beliefs. When this is true of most of a demographic, how bigoted can such a statement be? Frankly, anyone who argues that it is seems to try to be saving ground that they feel they're losing.
author=Jeroen_Solauthor=pianotmAre you a nihilist? Certainly you could argue life in itself has no meaning, and I would agree with you, but isn't this one of the reasons religion was created? Religion was necessary in the olden days to give an aetias, a reason behind the world existing the way it does, but it also tries to answer the question of 'why do I, as a person, exist?' To be able formulate a non-nihilistic answer to that question is one of the things I deeply respect about religious people. Life in itsf might be meaningless, but with so many people giving it meaning for themselves, can you truly say it is meaningless?
I am not Buddhist, but my instinct knows a glaring fact when it slaps me in the face. We must kill to survive, whether we're eating animals or plants. Everything we love perishes. When what we love perishes, our memories barely do them justice, are fleeting, and in time are lost. Memories only last forever in the movies. Take my word for it. Then, our final compensation is that we get to die too. Now, I know this isn't all there is to life, but I also know that this is the drum beat we all march to.
Buddhism gets straight to the point and, instead of going on and on about why someone else thinks your life has purpose, states that the dismissal of human desires beyond the acceptance and willfulness of positive change and the admission of needs leads to a contentment in life that is ultimately good. Nowhere does it say that because life is inherently meaningless that we should embrace suffering; nay, it says the very opposite. We should acknowledge that life is full of daily inherent suffering due to the greed of the body, but we must also strive to make peace in ourselves and give of ourselves to others in the pursuit of Nirvana.
It's easier to understand when you aren't focused on receiving some sort of reward for the faith you exhibit.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
3885
author=CorfaisusIt is the churches and other instances of organized religion that do this, which is one of the reasons I'm not too fond of them. There are plenty of people who are religious but do not condemn anyone who doesn't share their belief to eternal suffering after death.
You cannot look me square in the eye and say that the "laws" of eternal joy or eternal pain are not predominant strategies of religions (mainly Christianity, in my experience) to convert and condemn everyone who doesn't comply fully to their established beliefs. When this is true of most of a demographic, how bigoted can such a statement be? Frankly, anyone who argues that it is seems to try to be saving ground that they feel they're losing.
author=InfectionFiles
And there goes this topic. Oh, nothing but religion talk? *yawn* I see, guess I'll have to wait for this to ultimately solve nothing so people can post random bullcrapery again.
You could post your own random bullcrapery instead of waiting for others to do so again.
I'll help:
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