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CloseMy man Scalia's still in the hoop, from the 10th circuit Utah decision (also this is a good part):
From page 46+47 of the court decision, some formatting changed so it fits here better
Instead of explaining why same-sex marriage qua same-sex marriage is undesirable, each of the appellants’ justifications rests fundamentally on a sleight of hand in which same-sex marriage is used as a proxy for a different characteristic shared by both same-sex and some opposite-sex couples. Same-sex marriage must be banned, appellants argue, because same-sex couples are not naturally procreative. But the state permits many other types of non-procreative couples to wed.
See Lawrence, 539 U.S. at 605 (Scalia, J ., dissenting) (“hat justification could there possibly be for denying the benefits of marriage to homosexual couples . . . ? Surely not the encouragement of procreation, since the sterile and the elderly are allowed to marry.”).
Same-sex marriage cannot be allowed, appellants assert, because it is better for children to be raised by biological parents. Yet adoptive parents, who have the full panoply of rights and duties of biological parents, are free to marry. See Utah Code § 78B-6-139 (adoptive parents have same rights and duties). As are opposite-sex couples who choose assisted reproduction. See §§ 78B-15-701 to 707 (providing rules for parental rights in cases of assisted reproduction); §§ 78B-15-801 to 809 (providing rules governing gestational agreements).
From page 46+47 of the court decision, some formatting changed so it fits here better
I've been working for about 3 hours transcribing the basic melody of a chiptune cover I'm doing. I can't believe it took that long.
And yet still I don't have the melody down quite right!
And yet still I don't have the melody down quite right!
MajoracanKing
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I'll leave my opinion on same-sex marriage out of this (as to not start a flame war or something) ;however, when the founding fathers were writing the constitution, I don't think they had homosexuals in mind. What that means: well, I'm no quite sure.
I'm trying to require the patient to do chiptunes. They sound great, but it took me ages to get a decent sound that lasted about 10 seconds. At which point I gave up.
author=Isrieri
I've been working for about 3 hours transcribing the basic melody of a chiptune cover I'm doing. I can't believe it took that long.
And yet still I don't have the melody down quite right!
I'm trying to require the patient to do chiptunes. They sound great, but it took me ages to get a decent sound that lasted about 10 seconds. At which point I gave up.
MajoracanKing, contrary to your flawed belief, many of the Founding Fathers were not devout followers of Christianity. And homosexuality wasn't a big or important thing at that time as it is now. They did not write it with the Christian population at mind. So don't you dare use the Founding Fathers as an excuse for your homophobia.
So stop with your homophobic bigoted evangelical opinion that is based on misconception, please.
ALSO: the founding fathers did not write anything about marriage rights in the constitution you tool. step off. that was probably the least important thing to them at the time, if even a thing at all.
now there are people who can't marry who they want to because of stuck up assholes like you. homosexuality harms nobody.
So stop with your homophobic bigoted evangelical opinion that is based on misconception, please.
ALSO: the founding fathers did not write anything about marriage rights in the constitution you tool. step off. that was probably the least important thing to them at the time, if even a thing at all.
now there are people who can't marry who they want to because of stuck up assholes like you. homosexuality harms nobody.
MajoracanKing
201
author=Adon237
MajoracanKing, contrary to your flawed belief, many of the Founding Fathers were not devout followers of Christianity. And homosexuality wasn't a big or important thing at that time as it is now. They did not write it with the Christian population at mind. So don't you dare use the Founding Fathers as an excuse for your homophobia.
So stop with your homophobic bigoted evangelical opinion that is based on misconception, please.
ALSO: the founding fathers did not write anything about marriage rights in the constitution you tool. step off. that was probably the least important thing to them at the time, if even a thing at all.
now there are people who can't marry who they want to because of stuck up assholes like you. homosexuality harms nobody.
Wow man, I didn't mean to offend you or anyone or that matter. Not to mention you kind of assumed a lot of things. I'm not homophobic, I've got plenty of homosexual friends. Also I didn't say anything about the founding fathers religious beliefs, nor did I believe what you thought I did.
Maybe they didn't cover marriage specifically, but not allowing same-sex marriage is considered unconstitutional. Thus, the rights we are given are said to have intended (or otherwise) to protect homosexual marriage.
Once again, My goal was not meant to enrage someone. I apologize if I offended you or anyone else.
If you have an opinion on same sex marriage that needs to be hidden to prevent "flame wars" or whatever, I'd assume it'd be one against it. And sorry to break it to you, but being against same-sex marriage is homophobic.
The Founding Fathers religious beliefs are actually very relevant to the matter js
but regardless i'm done talking about it here
In other news I REALLY WANT TO GET MY COMPUTER WITH VX ACE ON IT BACK. the charger has been broken for like 5 weeks now and i'm literally dying inside from not being able to work on diabolica.
The Founding Fathers religious beliefs are actually very relevant to the matter js
but regardless i'm done talking about it here
In other news I REALLY WANT TO GET MY COMPUTER WITH VX ACE ON IT BACK. the charger has been broken for like 5 weeks now and i'm literally dying inside from not being able to work on diabolica.
The founding father's religious beliefs shouldn't matter at all, the USA was intended to have a secular government. Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli, signed on 1797 by John Adams with unanimous consent by the senate, reads:
I did replace an archaic and now offensive term for Muslims with Muslims, if you want the whole original text check the link I posted.
Actually using 18th century morals in a 20th century world is really dumb and the way some Americans fetishize their founding fathers as ubermensch is genuinely disturbing. An extreme example would be trying to apply Deuteronomy 22:28-29 today which has no place in modern society.
I am aware too that article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli says something different in the original Arabic the English version was translated from and the 1805 treaty that replaced the ToT doesn't have that kind of language at all. I think it's unfortunate.
Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of ; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
I did replace an archaic and now offensive term for Muslims with Muslims, if you want the whole original text check the link I posted.
Actually using 18th century morals in a 20th century world is really dumb and the way some Americans fetishize their founding fathers as ubermensch is genuinely disturbing. An extreme example would be trying to apply Deuteronomy 22:28-29 today which has no place in modern society.
I am aware too that article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli says something different in the original Arabic the English version was translated from and the 1805 treaty that replaced the ToT doesn't have that kind of language at all. I think it's unfortunate.
Yeah, the Founding Fathers religious beliefs, notably the lack of them or the desire for a secular government, is relevant. As it led to the creation of an intended secular government. I am loving all that you've been linking GRS though!
Can we just all stop stirring up drama on this board? Jeez, the one that just happened in this thread was also due to a complete misunderstanding of previous posts.
the @ feature is free Ratty, just be a good little boy/girl and ignore it.
I am thinking about how I'm going to have to start studying Spanish this summer so I'll be caught up for Spanish 2 next year. I really can't wait for my trip to the Dominican Rep. though.
e: I'm still so confused about how you do past tense verbs
I am thinking about how I'm going to have to start studying Spanish this summer so I'll be caught up for Spanish 2 next year. I really can't wait for my trip to the Dominican Rep. though.
e: I'm still so confused about how you do past tense verbs
turkeyDawg
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I'd tell you how... but I forgot everything I learned back then.
We gotta keep the drama core topped off, man! Actually, I think we might need a little more, so, Ratty, I don't know how to tell you this... but I'm pregnant. With your child. And I can't get an abortion -- some sexist shit about how men can't get pregnant and that its really just a basketball under my shirt and other sordid stereotypes that pervade every aspect of our society.
author=Ratty524
Can we just all stop stirring up drama on this board?
We gotta keep the drama core topped off, man! Actually, I think we might need a little more, so, Ratty, I don't know how to tell you this... but I'm pregnant. With your child. And I can't get an abortion -- some sexist shit about how men can't get pregnant and that its really just a basketball under my shirt and other sordid stereotypes that pervade every aspect of our society.
author=turkeyDawgauthor=Ratty524
Can we just all stop stirring up drama on this board?
We gotta keep the drama core topped off, man! Actually, I think we might need a little more, so, Ratty, I don't know how to tell you this... but I'm pregnant. With your child. And I can't get an abortion -- some sexist shit about how men can't get pregnant and that its really just a basketball under my shirt and other sordid stereotypes that pervade every aspect of our society.
... Thanks turkeyDawg. You've lightened my mood for today. :)
The common belief among the Founding Fathers was Deist. It's exactly what it sounds like; the belief that there is a god but that he, she, or it has never been described by a specific religion. Read "The Age of Reason" by Thomas Paine. Among other things, this pamphlet discusses the truth of religion, challenging institutionalization of religion and the authority of the Bible. It criticizes the Christian Church's political policies (the very idea of a church seeking political power should be offensive to any reasoning man), and elucidated what Paine saw as corruption within the church.
The Age of Reason does not dismiss god or any type of divine entity, but wisely suggests that we favor logic over blind faith. The Age of Reason was a best seller in the United States and caused a Deist revival. Yes, there was a time when this nation was one predominately of intellectuals. Much of that still exists today, but is drowned out by the stupefying force of mass media.
Thomas Jefferson kept two books in the drawer of his office: the Bible and a scrapbook. He would cut out scriptures from the Bible that he agreed with, paste them into his scrap book and discard what he did not agree with.
What is truly disturbing is that so many people accept point blank that this country was founded by Christian men upon Christian principles. This not only suggests the typical ignorance found among the blindly faithful who would even resort to the most horrendous forms of violence to make this nation solely Christian, expelling any who did not absolutely believe the word of god, but suggests a concerted effort to expunge and hide the historical record. Anyone who took a social sciences class in the 90s knows our Founders were not Christian and believed that we should have the freedom to worship as we saw fit.
The Age of Reason does not dismiss god or any type of divine entity, but wisely suggests that we favor logic over blind faith. The Age of Reason was a best seller in the United States and caused a Deist revival. Yes, there was a time when this nation was one predominately of intellectuals. Much of that still exists today, but is drowned out by the stupefying force of mass media.
Thomas Jefferson kept two books in the drawer of his office: the Bible and a scrapbook. He would cut out scriptures from the Bible that he agreed with, paste them into his scrap book and discard what he did not agree with.
What is truly disturbing is that so many people accept point blank that this country was founded by Christian men upon Christian principles. This not only suggests the typical ignorance found among the blindly faithful who would even resort to the most horrendous forms of violence to make this nation solely Christian, expelling any who did not absolutely believe the word of god, but suggests a concerted effort to expunge and hide the historical record. Anyone who took a social sciences class in the 90s knows our Founders were not Christian and believed that we should have the freedom to worship as we saw fit.
MajoracanKing
201
Two Chemist walk into a bar. The first on says, "I'll have some H2O".
The second chemist says,"I'll have some H2O,too".
Only one chemist walks out of the bar.
(Its really hard to tell this joke online)
The second chemist says,"I'll have some H2O,too".
Only one chemist walks out of the bar.
(Its really hard to tell this joke online)
*(unsure if he gets Sei's joke*
"Why does my mind insist that Tortura Isle is a treetop hideout and the Salty Minnow is an octagon?"
"Why does my mind insist that Tortura Isle is a treetop hideout and the Salty Minnow is an octagon?"
Corfaisus
"It's frustrating because - as much as Corf is otherwise an irredeemable person - his 2k/3 mapping is on point." ~ psy_wombats
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author=Davenport
I get it.
H2O = water
H2O2 = hydrogen peroxide
author=BurningTyger
*(unsure if he gets Sei's joke*
Periodic table.
