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OK, CAN SOMEONE FLAT OUT TELL ME WHY JAPAN HAS SO MANY WEIRD SEXUAL FETISHES?
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Feldschlacht IV
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CloseEven compared to other foreign countries? It just seems that the Japanese are just flat out weird when it comes to their sexuality. Used panties (from vending machines), women that look like little girls, dickgirls, tentacles, adult nursing, game show porn, the list goes on.
Yeah and I know every corner of the world has their weird shit, but Japan is internationally known for taking the cake for off the wall sexual interests. There has to be some sort of cultural reason for this.
Topic title subject to change as the conversation evolves before anyone moves it. I just want this question answered first, and then we can hopefully spark more discussion?
Also BTW before anyone jumps on me for being weird or whatever for asking this, if you can't discuss sex maturely without getting all grossed out or embarrassed you're probably too young to be posting here and/or prepubescent. Sex is universal get over it.
Yeah and I know every corner of the world has their weird shit, but Japan is internationally known for taking the cake for off the wall sexual interests. There has to be some sort of cultural reason for this.
Topic title subject to change as the conversation evolves before anyone moves it. I just want this question answered first, and then we can hopefully spark more discussion?
Also BTW before anyone jumps on me for being weird or whatever for asking this, if you can't discuss sex maturely without getting all grossed out or embarrassed you're probably too young to be posting here and/or prepubescent. Sex is universal get over it.
It's not a question that can be answered, I highly doubt that anyone in Japan sees it as weird, it's just part of their culture therefore it being normal to them. I wouldn't necessarily go to the point of calling it weird anyway. Just different.
Obviously People will have varied views, but Japan wouldn't be Japan without it.
Obviously People will have varied views, but Japan wouldn't be Japan without it.
author=Little Wing Guy link=topic=1492.msg23380#msg23380 date=1215717948
It's not a question that can be answered, I highly doubt that anyone in Japan sees it as weird, it's just part of their culture therefore it being normal to them. I wouldn't necessarily go to the point of calling it weird anyway. Just different.
Obviously People will have varied views, but Japan wouldn't be Japan without it.
I thought of the whole cultural relativism thing, and I would have left it at that if the entire world didn't see Japan as weird. Like I said, every culture has their weird stuff, but almost the entire world looks at Japan and sees some of their sexual interests incredibly bizarre. The thing is, why has Japan developed such a different sexual culture than the rest of the world?
Jabbo
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The thing with culture is that it builds on itself. So somewhere along the line a long time ago someone in Japan started the trend and it just gradually happened that way, I guess. There's probably a longer-standing cultural reason why the trend would take off in the first place. So you're probably going to need an expert of Japanese cultural history to answer the question.
I would hazard a guess that it has something to do with the fact that ever since the industrial days Japan has wanted to mimic the West and they still feel that today, so they're willing to abandon more traditional Japanese culture in favor of ours. But the difference is that we have Christianity that explicitly says sex is bad, whereas they don't. I don't know a damn thing about Japanese religion, so I could be flat out wrong, but it could very well just be a result of Western culture minus conservativism. And once they start being open about sex, then the people are willing to experiment and the result you get is modern Japan.
I would hazard a guess that it has something to do with the fact that ever since the industrial days Japan has wanted to mimic the West and they still feel that today, so they're willing to abandon more traditional Japanese culture in favor of ours. But the difference is that we have Christianity that explicitly says sex is bad, whereas they don't. I don't know a damn thing about Japanese religion, so I could be flat out wrong, but it could very well just be a result of Western culture minus conservativism. And once they start being open about sex, then the people are willing to experiment and the result you get is modern Japan.
Ody
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I agree, I would add that the massive censorship of erotism has contributed to build some fantasm, for "used panties (from vending machines)" for example. It's a sort of reaction I suppose.
Their culture is also traditionally more repressed and conservative and formal. So when they let loose....boy howdy!
There's also some pretty weird shit here, on par with some of the japanese stuff - I think that, because of their lack of a cultural 'sex == the devil' attitude, we hear about it more.
Christianity set back our sexual actualization 2000 years.
There's also some pretty weird shit here, on par with some of the japanese stuff - I think that, because of their lack of a cultural 'sex == the devil' attitude, we hear about it more.
Christianity set back our sexual actualization 2000 years.
I think that, because of their lack of a cultural 'sex == the devil' attitude, we hear about it more.
Christianity set back our sexual actualization 2000 years.
But Japanese people have as much sexual repression as we do, like you said. Christianity hasn't much to do with it because sexual repression to some degree (and more) exists in all (or a lot at least) cultures. So why is their release so much more "stranger" than everyone elses?
I know this is usually asking for way too much, but if there's anyone of Asian descent or knows about Asian culture here, seriously please pitch in the conversation.
It's probably a pipe dream however because from what I've noticed, in conversations having to do with sex, every Asian person in the vicinity as always pretty much run away screaming.
It's probably a pipe dream however because from what I've noticed, in conversations having to do with sex, every Asian person in the vicinity as always pretty much run away screaming.
Terin
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Well, I took a Japanese class, so that makes me an expert on all things Japanese from here on out. </sarcasm>
From what I do know (I did converse with quite a few Japanese people who were trying to learn English), the Japanese always try to adopt things and take them further. Cars, manufacturing, electronics, game shows, reality tv, and so forth. Our video game systems are made by the Japanese, as are the "good" quality TV's/electronics, etc. (and yeah, I know Sony is kind of marked up like crazy and I'm not sure it's worth all the money) So they have a tendency to explore outside their own culture... a lot. Just something natural to them. They take it and make it their own in efforts to be kind of self-sustained (if they know it, then they perfect it and then they no longer require us for the technology/etc).
In addition, the Japanese also believe that true sensuality is released in very awkward ways. I do not understand why, but I know this as a very base fact. Let me explain a very standard "getting laid" procedure in Japan.
Girl comes to your place. You relax, whatever. Maybe have dinner. Then, you ask her, "Do you want to take a shower?" The Japanese want to be clean before and after they have sex. Something to do with purity or some weirdness. The female is typically submissive and doesn't move or do anything. This is the "accepted" normal happening there. The guy does his stuff. It is "proper" to be quiet by the female. The man's responsibility is to get the woman off -- she does nothing. It's almost formal. The man will usually say something very bizarre like "I'm using my entire lifetime's amount of sperm on you," which would roughly translate to "I love you," "This is hot," or "You're hot." Sex is finished, you try to clean up the mess and take a shower AGAIN.
If you've ever watched Japanese porn (excluding hentai) you'll notice these characteristics. Women are quiet. Men usually say weird shit. The kinky shit or orgies are different... I don't have a clue about that (I didn't ask too much -- it'd be weird to question Japanese people, "So what's up with bukkake? That hot for you peeps?" -- obviously it is). But one-on-one action is typically so.
The candle-wax, ropes, kinky crap is thought that pain brings sensuality out and heightens the senses (for whatever reason). Bukkake is thought of like spreading seed and seen as like giving your future to someone (which is weird and kind of wtf, imo). All the other fetishes/things are usually lined with the first thing -- bringing out sensuality. Doing something non-normal (without the traditional "girl does nothing and stays quiet, guy talks and does the work), or reworking the normal things... I think that may just be their way of spicing a very formal sex-life.
So if you guys ever go to Japan and a hot chick asks you to take a shower. By all means say, "YES."
From what I do know (I did converse with quite a few Japanese people who were trying to learn English), the Japanese always try to adopt things and take them further. Cars, manufacturing, electronics, game shows, reality tv, and so forth. Our video game systems are made by the Japanese, as are the "good" quality TV's/electronics, etc. (and yeah, I know Sony is kind of marked up like crazy and I'm not sure it's worth all the money) So they have a tendency to explore outside their own culture... a lot. Just something natural to them. They take it and make it their own in efforts to be kind of self-sustained (if they know it, then they perfect it and then they no longer require us for the technology/etc).
In addition, the Japanese also believe that true sensuality is released in very awkward ways. I do not understand why, but I know this as a very base fact. Let me explain a very standard "getting laid" procedure in Japan.
Girl comes to your place. You relax, whatever. Maybe have dinner. Then, you ask her, "Do you want to take a shower?" The Japanese want to be clean before and after they have sex. Something to do with purity or some weirdness. The female is typically submissive and doesn't move or do anything. This is the "accepted" normal happening there. The guy does his stuff. It is "proper" to be quiet by the female. The man's responsibility is to get the woman off -- she does nothing. It's almost formal. The man will usually say something very bizarre like "I'm using my entire lifetime's amount of sperm on you," which would roughly translate to "I love you," "This is hot," or "You're hot." Sex is finished, you try to clean up the mess and take a shower AGAIN.
If you've ever watched Japanese porn (excluding hentai) you'll notice these characteristics. Women are quiet. Men usually say weird shit. The kinky shit or orgies are different... I don't have a clue about that (I didn't ask too much -- it'd be weird to question Japanese people, "So what's up with bukkake? That hot for you peeps?" -- obviously it is). But one-on-one action is typically so.
The candle-wax, ropes, kinky crap is thought that pain brings sensuality out and heightens the senses (for whatever reason). Bukkake is thought of like spreading seed and seen as like giving your future to someone (which is weird and kind of wtf, imo). All the other fetishes/things are usually lined with the first thing -- bringing out sensuality. Doing something non-normal (without the traditional "girl does nothing and stays quiet, guy talks and does the work), or reworking the normal things... I think that may just be their way of spicing a very formal sex-life.
So if you guys ever go to Japan and a hot chick asks you to take a shower. By all means say, "YES."
The Japanese want to be clean before and after they have sex. Something to do with purity or some weirdness.
No I'm pretty sure it's because no one wants to have sex with a funky person. I'll respond to the rest but this really stuck out at me.
author=Terin link=topic=1492.msg23397#msg23397 date=1215729608..or you're a dirty smelly guy.
So if you guys ever go to Japan and a hot chick asks you to take a shower. By all means say, "YES."
Terin
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author=kentona link=topic=1492.msg23399#msg23399 date=1215730388author=Terin link=topic=1492.msg23397#msg23397 date=1215729608..or you're a dirty smelly guy.
So if you guys ever go to Japan and a hot chick asks you to take a shower. By all means say, "YES."
In which case you wouldn't be getting into their place, hahaha. Also, remember to use great romantic pickup lines like... "The moon is perfectly full," or "The landscape here is very earthy," or "This town is very comfortable." It's all indirect. So weird.
trance2
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Actually, the Japanese really do put a lot of store into cleanliness. They won't even get into a bathtub unless they've washed themselves OUTSIDE the tub first. This is not to mention the shoe thing, which though we'd now take for granted, back in the day (lol, the day) women in Europe didn't scrub floors just because of dust. The fact that people wore shoes in Europe was something that, when Perry and his men showed up in Japan, kind of gave the locals a tick.
author=Terin link=topic=1492.msg23397#msg23397 date=1215729608
From what I do know (I did converse with quite a few Japanese people who were trying to learn English), the Japanese always try to adopt things and take them further. Cars, manufacturing, electronics, game shows, reality tv, and so forth. Our video game systems are made by the Japanese, as are the "good" quality TV's/electronics, etc. (and yeah, I know Sony is kind of marked up like crazy and I'm not sure it's worth all the money) So they have a tendency to explore outside their own culture... a lot. Just something natural to them. They take it and make it their own in efforts to be kind of self-sustained (if they know it, then they perfect it and then they no longer require us for the technology/etc).
That gives me new insight on some things, but it still leaves the panties in the vending machine and tentacle rape questions unanswered.
Girl comes to your place. You relax, whatever. Maybe have dinner. Then, you ask her, "Do you want to take a shower?"
Sounds pretty American so far!
The female is typically submissive and doesn't move or do anything. This is the "accepted" normal happening there. The guy does his stuff. It is "proper" to be quiet by the female. The man's responsibility is to get the woman off -- she does nothing. It's almost formal.
This has long been recognized as a staple of Asian sexuality and it's been confirmed by a lot of people as well, so it's pretty true. And it sucks. Screw cultural relativism here, that sucks. The woman just lying there like a dead fish during sex? Not only does that make for generally horrible sex, but it sucks for the woman too because lying there like a fish obvious isn't a sign that the woman is having a good time, or that she'll even orgasm.
Sex is finished, you try to clean up the mess and take a shower AGAIN.
Once again, that's pretty normal to shower after sex, especially for the woman for reasons I hope are obvious.
The kinky shit or orgies are different... I don't have a clue about that (I didn't ask too much -- it'd be weird to question Japanese people, "So what's up with bukkake? That hot for you peeps?" -- obviously it is).
Bukkake is thought of like spreading seed and seen as like giving your future to someone (which is weird and kind of wtf, imo).
Yeah what the fuck.
Shadowtext
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author=Feldschlacht IV link=topic=1492.msg23389#msg23389 date=1215722583Very few cultures have been as repressive sexually as those derived from Britain, and especially Victorian cultures--and America was stuck in the Victorian mindset for two hundred years after the British empire forgot about it.I think that, because of their lack of a cultural 'sex == the devil' attitude, we hear about it more.
Christianity set back our sexual actualization 2000 years.
But Japanese people have as much sexual repression as we do, like you said. Christianity hasn't much to do with it because sexual repression to some degree (and more) exists in all (or a lot at least) cultures. So why is their release so much more "stranger" than everyone elses?
Japan has always been socially and emotionally repressed, and continues to be so, but sexually it's much less so, and has been for some time. Most of the "sexual repression" you could apply to Japan these days is really just an aspect of their social repression. As an example, Japan has little taboo on homosexual behavior or fantasies, but has a huge problem with the idea of same-sex relationships*--not because they think it's sexually deviant, but because it's socially deviant.
Basically, it all comes down to Queen Victoria. She was ashamed of her sexuality and told everyone in the empire to be ashamed, too. It's not necessarily a result of religion--there are plenty of Christian cultures that are much less repressed than Britain and America--France comes to mind, as well as Brazil.
That said, I think that the issue isn't so much that Japanese people are any more weird than the rest of the world sexually, I think it's just that their kink is much less hidden than the rest of the world. The prevalence of doujinshi culture (which, contrary to the belief of many, does not necessarily mean "pornographic fan comics," but rather can mean self-published media of any genre) and the Japanese spread of technology mean that basically everyone with a fetish has some way of putting it out there for the world to see. Hell, they invented the prototype for 4chan--look at what we've learned about how twisted the Western World's minds are from that!
Also, yes, there are plenty in Japan who consider a lot of this stuff weird. There have been movements to ban certain genres of pornography on several occasions, and well-known names have spoken out against the misogyny that runs rampant in Japanese erotica--Hayao Miyazaki (noted for his feminist leanings), for example, has chastised the entire porn industry, and he's far from alone.
* - At least among adults. Young girls are more or less expected to form friendships that resemble dating other girls, but staying in those relationships is considered a sign of immaturity or just being a freak. This is why there are so many girl-girl pairings in anime that people mistake for lesbian couples, but which are usually broken up by a guy. Watching it in America (or whatever), we've got more rigidly defined sexual orientations and get confused by the practice--and often interpret it as an attempt at fanservice. Not that it isn't, a lot of the time. These relationships are often non-sexual, even if it'd be hard to convince most gaijin that was the case. For more, check Wikipedia Or (you knew it was coming) TVTropes.
Terin
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Tentacle Rape may be explained by The Dream of the Fisherman's Wife. Yeah...
Link is not safe for work or in public in most cases (contains primitive tentacle rape).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dream_of_the_Fisherman%27s_Wife
Someone called me a tentacle monster once, and I ended up researching it via Wikipedia... Yeah... Don't ask.
Link is not safe for work or in public in most cases (contains primitive tentacle rape).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dream_of_the_Fisherman%27s_Wife
Someone called me a tentacle monster once, and I ended up researching it via Wikipedia... Yeah... Don't ask.
author=WIP link=topic=1492.msg23391#msg23391 date=1215725078
Domination is hot.
Yeah.
As far as the subject, there isn't much to say besides the pent up, repressed sexual thing. Fetishes are often the urging of your opposite self, or subconscious "id" or anima (animus for females).
For instance, a control freak in life will have a good chance of getting off on being dominated/controlled in the sack. Either that, or they'll love dominating/controlling in the sack in order to experience sexuality vicariously through their partner.
Canuck
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Christian foundation can't be underestimated. Fidelity. (Cheating is fairly common. Sex doesn't have as powerful of a meaning.) Physical pleasures going away from God. (Creating moral restrictions on the act to help people stay close with God- like premarital sex, contraceptives, sex for pleasure all being bad).
If sex isn't this powerful meaningful symbolic spiritual (for the new age people) thing, then it's easy to treat it like any activity, and find ways to improve or change it up.
It also means that sexuality is a lot more liberal. Love hotels are great. No more going into a hotel to pretend like you're a traveller from a far off land, you got a very romantic looking room, and costumes and toys on demand, plus usually a great shower room with many features.
Isn't it fun talking like we're experts?
If sex isn't this powerful meaningful symbolic spiritual (for the new age people) thing, then it's easy to treat it like any activity, and find ways to improve or change it up.
It also means that sexuality is a lot more liberal. Love hotels are great. No more going into a hotel to pretend like you're a traveller from a far off land, you got a very romantic looking room, and costumes and toys on demand, plus usually a great shower room with many features.
Isn't it fun talking like we're experts?
