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CRUSHING FINGERS - MAFIA (THE END OF THE STORY)
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Liberty
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Close@Cave: I just don't believe in giving the mafia a headstart on the killing without any real cause. Due to only having interactions to count on the first day, unless there's a lot of talk and someone really fucks up, there's no real evidence to base killing someone one. Sure, it is possible to get lucky, it's happened before, but most of the time an innocent is sent to hang and then we're two or three down by the second day (depending on whether we have other killers in our midst or not).
So, you're right in that regard - people usually aren't scummy enough to hang first day for me. Except when it comes to you, dear Cave. Especially since I can tell when you're scum, somehow. So talk a bit more, would you? I'd like to get a better read on ya~ ^.^
So, you're right in that regard - people usually aren't scummy enough to hang first day for me. Except when it comes to you, dear Cave. Especially since I can tell when you're scum, somehow. So talk a bit more, would you? I'd like to get a better read on ya~ ^.^
A NoLynch is more beneficial to the mafia in the long-term than it is to town. If you forego lynching someone in the first round what you end up doing is giving mafia a free pass. The town is blind and discussion has to be merited to figuring out who the mafia is. And a large part of that is getting everyone to talk. If no one gets lynched its true that the town is only out a single member via nightkill, but it also means that no pressure is put on the mafia: If we don't have confirmed town deaths, they don't have to worry about people looking out for them because we have fewer concrete clues. Its a better move for them than it is for us. Nevermind that a NoLynch is essentially making a day 1 out of day 2.
A proper solution is to not place votes until you've got a good reason.
A proper solution is to not place votes until you've got a good reason.
No, actually, it doesn't. It lowers the amount of dead and on day 2 you have more to react to - deaths during the night, people's guesses on day one and how they interacted with the dead... that tells a lot and does not make a day one of day two, since we have a lot more concrete information than guesses.
PlatinumAshes
I am now certain that you are not scum and are just town trying to play scum as hard as possible.
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I made an error in my innitial announcement of the length of day 1, and I am adjusting it now; Day one was announced to last until thursday September 11th, but this has been shortened to wednesday September 10th. That means:
Day 1 will last until Wendesday September 10th, 17:00 GMT. That's roughly 79 hours from now.
VOTECOUNT:
CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK- 1: Yellow Magic
Not voting- 11: Liberty, 2seiromem, JJJ7, Wildwes, Takyon, Bart_Sol, TheoDutch, MajoracanKing, CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK, Isrieri, Gourd_Clae
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer.
Day 1 will last until Wendesday September 10th, 17:00 GMT. That's roughly 79 hours from now.
VOTECOUNT:
CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK- 1: Yellow Magic
Not voting- 11: Liberty, 2seiromem, JJJ7, Wildwes, Takyon, Bart_Sol, TheoDutch, MajoracanKing, CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK, Isrieri, Gourd_Clae
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer.
PlatinumAshes
I am now certain that you are not scum and are just town trying to play scum as hard as possible.
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That said, letting time run out isn't a viable option because if anyone is voted to be lynched on first day they will be killed off. Non-lynch is good in that it allows people to have NO DEATHS on the first day, starting off with more people - and with the ratio of 2-3 mafia to the rest of the group, it's more likely that you will hit a fellow townie instead of a mafia member, thus depleting out numbers.
It does no good to lynch on first day FOR TOWN. We have this discussion every time and every time it turns out to be true except those very few instances when people actually hit a mafia member. Frankly I don't want to gamble with innocent lives. I, for one, don't believe that the loss of one life in exchange for information that would most likely be of no use to us is worth the cost.
And unless the mafia are newbies to the game (not likely with the amount of old hands in this game) they would be impossible to pin down based on a first day lynch. There are so many ways and reasons that they could vote - perhaps they'd choose to hammer vote, thinking that people would consider that too stupid for a mafia to do. Perhaps they'd place a middling vote, hoping to draw more innocents to the wagon. Perhaps they wouldn't vote at all, hoping to remain under the radar. Oh perhaps they'd choose to start a lynch in the hopes that that, too, would seem like too suspicious a move for a mafia member to make. We cannot tell and I don't think losing someone on first day is worth that kind of useless intel.
Thus, in the case that a lynch is started, I will vote no-lynch in the hopes of overtaking the lynch and not losing one of our own to idiocy. We'll get more information on the morrow, after the first night kill. Reduce the amount of kills and we're more likely to last long enough to gather the clues to lead us to the fuckers who are eating our friends.
That said, I'm definitely not against conversation - there-in will lie the set-up clues. I'll put this straight out right now - I will, after first day, vote to lynch any who do not talk. No more under the radar bullshit. It killed town in the last game and I won't see town die again because of it. Yes, I was mafia last game and yes it suited me fine that it wasn't questioned, but I'm not going to let that shit fly this game and neither should any of you other townies.
It does no good to lynch on first day FOR TOWN. We have this discussion every time and every time it turns out to be true except those very few instances when people actually hit a mafia member. Frankly I don't want to gamble with innocent lives. I, for one, don't believe that the loss of one life in exchange for information that would most likely be of no use to us is worth the cost.
And unless the mafia are newbies to the game (not likely with the amount of old hands in this game) they would be impossible to pin down based on a first day lynch. There are so many ways and reasons that they could vote - perhaps they'd choose to hammer vote, thinking that people would consider that too stupid for a mafia to do. Perhaps they'd place a middling vote, hoping to draw more innocents to the wagon. Perhaps they wouldn't vote at all, hoping to remain under the radar. Oh perhaps they'd choose to start a lynch in the hopes that that, too, would seem like too suspicious a move for a mafia member to make. We cannot tell and I don't think losing someone on first day is worth that kind of useless intel.
Thus, in the case that a lynch is started, I will vote no-lynch in the hopes of overtaking the lynch and not losing one of our own to idiocy. We'll get more information on the morrow, after the first night kill. Reduce the amount of kills and we're more likely to last long enough to gather the clues to lead us to the fuckers who are eating our friends.
That said, I'm definitely not against conversation - there-in will lie the set-up clues. I'll put this straight out right now - I will, after first day, vote to lynch any who do not talk. No more under the radar bullshit. It killed town in the last game and I won't see town die again because of it. Yes, I was mafia last game and yes it suited me fine that it wasn't questioned, but I'm not going to let that shit fly this game and neither should any of you other townies.
LOL forget it Isrieri et al. If Liberty thinks standard Mafia practice is wrong then it's wrong
Oh, I apologise for pointing out what usually ends up happening due to people using standard mafia practice all the time and not expanding their play styles to be more flexible and not screw themselves over so much! However shall I make it up to you and yours for dare pointing out that perhaps thinking about how mafia will play if they've experience and brains enough would leave we townies a bit more fucked than if we did something different from the norm? /sarfuckingcasm
Seriously, I'm just pointing out no-brainers here. Depleting a resource early (that being the amount of townies we have) is pretty stupid before we actually have any clues at hand and sacrificing someone for the sake of useless information is also pretty dumb in my book.
Meaning in my own, personal opinion which you don't have to share but hey, if you think I'm right I won't say no and if you think I'm wrong, that's fine too. How you play is up to you, I'm just pointing out why I, personally, think it's stupid. Or are opinions no longer allowed? If so, sorry, I'm afraid I didn't get the memo.
Seriously, I'm just pointing out no-brainers here. Depleting a resource early (that being the amount of townies we have) is pretty stupid before we actually have any clues at hand and sacrificing someone for the sake of useless information is also pretty dumb in my book.
Meaning in my own, personal opinion which you don't have to share but hey, if you think I'm right I won't say no and if you think I'm wrong, that's fine too. How you play is up to you, I'm just pointing out why I, personally, think it's stupid. Or are opinions no longer allowed? If so, sorry, I'm afraid I didn't get the memo.
The only one not being flexible is you as you've been advocating nolynchd1 for as long as I can remember. I uses to be a Jonny No-Lynch myself until I actually realised how self-harming it was.
I'm not sure how its not getting through to you that if no lynching helps anyone it's the Mafia, as we essentially give them a free kill, whereas, what happens when we decide to lynch someone? Discussion! Drama! Bandwagons! And if we're lucky maybe even a Mafia lynch!
And LOL oh the classic "its just my opinion" bullcrap. I don't care if its your personal opinion or whatever - I have every right to point out that its a bad opinion
I'm not sure how its not getting through to you that if no lynching helps anyone it's the Mafia, as we essentially give them a free kill, whereas, what happens when we decide to lynch someone? Discussion! Drama! Bandwagons! And if we're lucky maybe even a Mafia lynch!
And LOL oh the classic "its just my opinion" bullcrap. I don't care if its your personal opinion or whatever - I have every right to point out that its a bad opinion
Bart_Sol
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@Liberty: There's nothing wrong with having an opinion, you're just being a bit too adamant about something that could potentially be dangerous for town. I don't really like having to lynch someone on the first day either, but at least consider the negative consequences of doing so before discrediting lynching on the first day.
PS: hey everyone.
PS: hey everyone.
Hey all,
I’m new to the online version of this game, but i have played the card game many times :)
Let me let you all know what I think of all the players. Disclaimer: My english is probably bad, but I hope it’s still readable. Second Disclaimer: I probably don’t get your genders right (I’ll probably refer to everyone as he/him), maybe I’ll learn it in time :)
JJJ7: He immediately votes for NoLynch which is a bit strange. After that he claim two times that he is a villager. He also begs not to be lynched, which seems pretty desperate. Then he says ‘dont dare to lynch me, Wes’ while Wildwes didn’t want to. Lastly JJJ7 claims that Seiromen is the mafia without a reason. I don’t want to jump to conclusions too fast, but I find JJJ7 acting a bit strange.
Liberty: Liberty also votes for NoLynch. In contrast to JJJ7, Liberty explains hes(/her?) choice really well. Liberty explains that lynching day 1 is not a good choice. I understand his arguments and I have nothing against him.
Seiromen: He hasn’t said much. You could argue that being silent is suspicious, but I would say that this early.
Wildwes: Wildwes distrusts JJJ7 a bit (if I read correctly), which I understand as I do too. He has some good points against JJJ7.
Takyon: Said nothing, again not yet suspicious.
Bart_Sol: Haven’t said much (only a reaction). Nothing to say ‘bout.
MajoracanKing: He has said a few things, but as far as I know not really relevant stuff. Can’t say a lot ‘bout that.
CAVE_DOG_IS_BACk: CAVE_DOG says he wants to murder Yellow Magic, which seems logical as Yellow Magic voted for him. Also CAVE_DOG gives a reason why you should not Lynch D1, which is a slightly more mafia thing, if you ask me. This is just something I noticed, but nothing to worry about.
Isrieri: He claims to be a towny. He doesn’t trust JJJ7 and he has some good points against him. He also explains why day 1 NoVote isn’t good.
Gourd_Clae: He doesn’t trust Wildwes and he says JJJ7 is only reactionary. In hes next post he comes back on the last point and says that being reactionary isn’t a town thing. I find not trusting Wildwes a bit suspicious, as I don’t see any reason for it. The JJJ7 part is a little bit suspicious to me, as he seems to defend him. I really don’t know, but I is something we could keep in mind.
Yellow Magic: He is the first one to vote for a Lynch. He votes for CAVE_DOG without a good reason (or its something personal, which I don’t know). He also defends JJJ7 with saying a mafia wouldn’t be so careless. I don’t think this is a really strong argument, but again no conclusions. The voting on CAVE_DOG is suspicious tho.
I’m new to the online version of this game, but i have played the card game many times :)
Let me let you all know what I think of all the players. Disclaimer: My english is probably bad, but I hope it’s still readable. Second Disclaimer: I probably don’t get your genders right (I’ll probably refer to everyone as he/him), maybe I’ll learn it in time :)
JJJ7: He immediately votes for NoLynch which is a bit strange. After that he claim two times that he is a villager. He also begs not to be lynched, which seems pretty desperate. Then he says ‘dont dare to lynch me, Wes’ while Wildwes didn’t want to. Lastly JJJ7 claims that Seiromen is the mafia without a reason. I don’t want to jump to conclusions too fast, but I find JJJ7 acting a bit strange.
author=JJJ7
But know I'm a townie so don't lynch me pls. :(
Liberty: Liberty also votes for NoLynch. In contrast to JJJ7, Liberty explains hes(/her?) choice really well. Liberty explains that lynching day 1 is not a good choice. I understand his arguments and I have nothing against him.
author=Liberty
Frankly I don't want to gamble with innocent lives. I, for one, don't believe that the loss of one life in exchange for information that would most likely be of no use to us is worth the cost.
Seiromen: He hasn’t said much. You could argue that being silent is suspicious, but I would say that this early.
Wildwes: Wildwes distrusts JJJ7 a bit (if I read correctly), which I understand as I do too. He has some good points against JJJ7.
author=wildwes
Oh and yeah, JJJ7, voting nolynch after being told it isn't a good idea AND saying yourself how it worked well last time when you were mafia is... strange. Very strange.
Takyon: Said nothing, again not yet suspicious.
Bart_Sol: Haven’t said much (only a reaction). Nothing to say ‘bout.
MajoracanKing: He has said a few things, but as far as I know not really relevant stuff. Can’t say a lot ‘bout that.
CAVE_DOG_IS_BACk: CAVE_DOG says he wants to murder Yellow Magic, which seems logical as Yellow Magic voted for him. Also CAVE_DOG gives a reason why you should not Lynch D1, which is a slightly more mafia thing, if you ask me. This is just something I noticed, but nothing to worry about.
author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
someone will never be scummy enough for you to lynch d1, liberty. you are simply too pure of heart, and also, a monster that i must destroy.
Isrieri: He claims to be a towny. He doesn’t trust JJJ7 and he has some good points against him. He also explains why day 1 NoVote isn’t good.
author=Isrieri
Okay, you admit that NoLynching was bad for town, last time.
So I ask again: What's with the NoLynch right now? If you know that, why opt for it when you're town this game?
author=Isrieri
Its that he posted for a NoLynch immediately - right out the gate. There's no town benefit from doing that as far as I'm aware. And if he remembers how we were going to crack down on silent players last game, he would logically try to make himself heard but not want to call immediate attention on himself. Its just a really fishy move on his part.
Gourd_Clae: He doesn’t trust Wildwes and he says JJJ7 is only reactionary. In hes next post he comes back on the last point and says that being reactionary isn’t a town thing. I find not trusting Wildwes a bit suspicious, as I don’t see any reason for it. The JJJ7 part is a little bit suspicious to me, as he seems to defend him. I really don’t know, but I is something we could keep in mind.
author=Gourd_Clae
Wes is being extremely jumpy. For, uh, no reason. Also he seemed to agree with the idea of a no lynch then berated someone for also thinking it's a good idea. Of course, it's a far cry from screaming he's an evil scumlord. I have my eyes on you, Wes.
Yellow Magic: He is the first one to vote for a Lynch. He votes for CAVE_DOG without a good reason (or its something personal, which I don’t know). He also defends JJJ7 with saying a mafia wouldn’t be so careless. I don’t think this is a really strong argument, but again no conclusions. The voting on CAVE_DOG is suspicious tho.
author=Yellow Magic
re: JJJ7: I hate to admit it, but I really doubt a Mafia member would be so careless with his posts as he's been up to now.
I don't really see the point in lynching someone the first day, considering we have no information bar what people say and that we have a, what;s the usual ratio?
3/12? 3/12 chance that the lynched person is a Mafia member with a 9/12 chance they aren't. I don't exactly think it's worth the odds of getting the mafia over the odds of getting a townie.
However I also see that no one getting lynched means absolutely no chance of getting a Mafia, and once someone dies there really isn't much to talk about if no one gets lynched, so I'm gonna have to side with lynching someone.
So, as long as we're blindly pointing fingers, #Lynch JJJ7
A gambler at heart, this is what I roll! Of course, I'd of preferred this outcome to the others...
3/12? 3/12 chance that the lynched person is a Mafia member with a 9/12 chance they aren't. I don't exactly think it's worth the odds of getting the mafia over the odds of getting a townie.
However I also see that no one getting lynched means absolutely no chance of getting a Mafia, and once someone dies there really isn't much to talk about if no one gets lynched, so I'm gonna have to side with lynching someone.
So, as long as we're blindly pointing fingers, #Lynch JJJ7
A gambler at heart, this is what I roll! Of course, I'd of preferred this outcome to the others...
PlatinumAshes
I am now certain that you are not scum and are just town trying to play scum as hard as possible.
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VOTECOUNT:
CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK- 1: Yellow Magic
JJJ7- 1: Seiromem
Not voting- 10: Liberty, Wildwes, Takyon, Bart_Sol, TheoDutch, MajoracanKing, CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK, Isrieri, Gourd_Clae, JJJ7
Day 1 will last until Wendesday September 10th, 17:00 GMT. That's roughly 74 hours from now.
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer.
CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK- 1: Yellow Magic
JJJ7- 1: Seiromem
Not voting- 10: Liberty, Wildwes, Takyon, Bart_Sol, TheoDutch, MajoracanKing, CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK, Isrieri, Gourd_Clae, JJJ7
Day 1 will last until Wendesday September 10th, 17:00 GMT. That's roughly 74 hours from now.
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer.
author=PlatinumAshes
Votes for multiple people in one post will not be registered.
thanks for the notice
Anyway, though Liberty has some decent points, I still don't think no-lynching would go well. It never seemed to really do anything for us in any of the previous games. So. I'm still suspicious of JJJ7, however we still have plenty of time left in the day. We should definitely get more discussion before we lynch anyone.
author=Yellow Magic
The only one not being flexible is you as you've been advocating nolynchd1 for as long as I can remember. I uses to be a Jonny No-Lynch myself until I actually realised how self-harming it was.
I'm not sure how its not getting through to you that if no lynching helps anyone it's the Mafia, as we essentially give them a free kill, whereas, what happens when we decide to lynch someone? Discussion! Drama! Bandwagons! And if we're lucky maybe even a Mafia lynch!
And LOL oh the classic "its just my opinion" bullcrap. I don't care if its your personal opinion or whatever - I have every right to point out that its a bad opinion
Yeah, except not. It'd be a free kill if there were any way for us to change it but on the first night there isn't. You know what is a free kill for them? I we hit wrong and get a townie. Guess what? Higher chances of that with no solid information and many more townies than mafia members. Even if we do hit a mafia member on day 1 what does it tell us? It gives us a heads-up on the count, yes, but on the flip side we have not much more information to draw apon. Their interactions are usually all over the place. We need more information to show patterns which we don't have on day 1.
As for DRAMA, I already pointed out why that would be a bust in this game - most of the players are old hands to the ol' mafia game and will be careful when it comes to lynching, especially on the first day when everyone points fingers at everyone else. There's no real way to pin-point who is scum and who isn't even by how they'd vote. Thus why I'm espousing discussion as well as not lynching anyone on the first day.
Do what you want to decide, but frankly, that's my thoughts and that's how I'll be playing.
author=Wes
We should definitely get more discussion before we lynch anyone
Well, that's what the cancel function is for then. If I find I'd like to change my mind I will. Whatever happens, this will be exciting! Though I'm not exactly one for drama...
JJJ7
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Well, aparently my DM has betrayed me.
You guys are considering to lynch me only
Because I voted NoLynch, or because I was playing goofy with my answers?
You guys are considering to lynch me only
Because I voted NoLynch, or because I was playing goofy with my answers?
@Theo I actually think JJJ is about as suspicious as Wes. I think it's too early to tell for both of them, but I'll probably vote to lynch one of the two when it's time. Unless someone else becomes more suspicious.
Theo seems oddly attached to Libby? Big sis scumlord? I'll keep it in mind since that seems to happen a bit in mafia on RMN. (In reference to this, I think he seems attached because he seems to think she's innocent despite no lynching. Cave also seemed to be giving a reason for no lynch in his mind yet Cave seemed odd to Theo? It seems like a bit of favoritism is there.) He's also misinterpreting a few things. Whether this is on purpose or not I have no idea. That seems a little too suspicious for mafia to do though.
(He said cave gave reasons for no day 1 lynch when he didn't. I didn't really defend JJJ.)
Theo seems oddly attached to Libby? Big sis scumlord? I'll keep it in mind since that seems to happen a bit in mafia on RMN. (In reference to this, I think he seems attached because he seems to think she's innocent despite no lynching. Cave also seemed to be giving a reason for no lynch in his mind yet Cave seemed odd to Theo? It seems like a bit of favoritism is there.) He's also misinterpreting a few things. Whether this is on purpose or not I have no idea. That seems a little too suspicious for mafia to do though.
(He said cave gave reasons for no day 1 lynch when he didn't. I didn't really defend JJJ.)
