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CloseLooking at everyone who voted for Kloe at some point on Day 2 (and assuming none of these peeps threw Kloe under the bus), the ones who didn't are:
OddRabbit
Ratty McLeod
TungermanU
Yellow Magic
I think someone needs to remind me why OddRABBIT isn't suspicious again? We've been focusing on inactivity quite a bit, but I definitely haven't seen much from OddRABBIT for a while.
OddRabbit
Ratty McLeod
TungermanU
Yellow Magic
I think someone needs to remind me why OddRABBIT isn't suspicious again? We've been focusing on inactivity quite a bit, but I definitely haven't seen much from OddRABBIT for a while.
We pretty much concluded that town would more than likely start with the vigilante sword. After the mod kill, odd got the sword. At that point, he killed an innocent and came clean when he really had no need to. Additionally, the mod kill of a townie makes it even more likely that a townie was given the sword if a townie was given a sword in the first first place - otherwise the entire reason for giving a townie the sword first would be lost. It'd be imbalanced to give a mafia member the sword immediately after modkilling a townie.
It's still possible he's mafia, but I really don't think blob would give the sword to mafia.
It's still possible he's mafia, but I really don't think blob would give the sword to mafia.
Also, his admitting to killing the wrong person with sword when no one would know otherwise is very townie behavior if you ask me.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
oddRABBIT had the sword on day one and was able to choose who to give it to at the end of the day. The person who he gave it to (psy_wombats) confirmed that they received it. The ability to choose who to give the sword to is a town-only ability; if mafia gets the sword it gets redistributed randomly after they use it. Therefore this 100% absolutely confirms him as town, if I'm understanding the rules correctly.
It's possible I'm misunderstanding, and although mafia can't choose who the sword is transferred to, they're still told who it's transferred to after they use it. That seems incredibly unlikely though since that would essentially be Blob telling them exactly who to kill in order to destroy the sword. And they didn't do that. They killed a rando instead.
It's possible I'm misunderstanding, and although mafia can't choose who the sword is transferred to, they're still told who it's transferred to after they use it. That seems incredibly unlikely though since that would essentially be Blob telling them exactly who to kill in order to destroy the sword. And they didn't do that. They killed a rando instead.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
"I don't think blob would give the sword to mafia" is nonsense though. He specifically said it was random.
author=LockeZ
"I don't think blob would give the sword to mafia" is nonsense though. He specifically said it was random.
My bad!
@YM:
Basically these points, especially the sudden shift of opinion about Kloe.
In regards to why I find you more suspicious than TungermanU, I could be totally wrong on this, but most mafia I've seen takes action regardless of the situation. If they think there is a chance to defend their team, the would take it; Tungerman didn't do this. Also, if they know that their teammate will be a lost cause, they'll cast the vote to lynch them so they wouldn't look suspicious; Tungerman didn't do THAT either.
When called to question why, his response for basically not playing was essentially "meh, it wouldn't have mattered," much to the contrary of your excuse. That just doesn't read mafia to me, regardless of lack of participation.
@psy: I would say my second pick would be... Gourd? I don't really have anything on them other than gut feelings. You and LockeZ (especially the latter) are hard as hell to read, and oddRABBIT screamed town to me with his confession on the vigilante kill a few pages back.
author=psy_wombats
You said your opinion on Kloe changed during day 2. What caused that? I mostly made my decision off of her first couple posts in the day where she started reasoning in the complete opposite direction. Did she do something else that day that tripped you up? It still looks to me like your opinion changed because all of a sudden Kloe was at a scumproof majority.
author=LockeZ
You're creating a false narrative about him to make people dismiss his suggestions more easily.
Basically these points, especially the sudden shift of opinion about Kloe.
In regards to why I find you more suspicious than TungermanU, I could be totally wrong on this, but most mafia I've seen takes action regardless of the situation. If they think there is a chance to defend their team, the would take it; Tungerman didn't do this. Also, if they know that their teammate will be a lost cause, they'll cast the vote to lynch them so they wouldn't look suspicious; Tungerman didn't do THAT either.
When called to question why, his response for basically not playing was essentially "meh, it wouldn't have mattered," much to the contrary of your excuse. That just doesn't read mafia to me, regardless of lack of participation.
@psy: I would say my second pick would be... Gourd? I don't really have anything on them other than gut feelings. You and LockeZ (especially the latter) are hard as hell to read, and oddRABBIT screamed town to me with his confession on the vigilante kill a few pages back.
psy_wombats
13315
Yeah YM if odd made a false confession and then somehow read my signals so effectively that he was able to correctly name me as the person receiving the sword, then bravo, no shame in losing to that. But realistically: no way he's guilty. For your list: I would suspect Gourd of voting against his own teammate with his late vote but 1) he responded positively when IF originally floated the idea and 2) Gourd's MO is apparently getting the third vote on everyone.
@Ratty You're probably asleep but w/e. I could see Gourd > Tung via process of elimination if you really thing Tung's innocent, but, eh.
@Ratty You're probably asleep but w/e. I could see Gourd > Tung via process of elimination if you really thing Tung's innocent, but, eh.
Right psy, outlandish theory here but what if you and oddRABBIT are the final two Mafia? That way he could easily find out if you the sword.
What are the odds (no pun intended) of that? 1/8 right? Not impossible.
Apart from that, the only logical conclusion is that someone threw Kloe under the bus, so please remember that if I'm lynched. Poor Kloe....
What are the odds (no pun intended) of that? 1/8 right? Not impossible.
Apart from that, the only logical conclusion is that someone threw Kloe under the bus, so please remember that if I'm lynched. Poor Kloe....
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
According to the OP, if mafia uses the sword, it is randomly redistributed to town. So I don't think that situation is actually possible. If the sword moved from odd to psy, at least one of them has to be town.
Sorry I haven't been posting much, I was helping my father re-shingle the roof of our garage, then I went to bed.
Okay, to sum this up, there are tied votes, I have about an hour and 54 minutes to vote, and now people are considering whether I'm innocent or not again. Is that correct?
Okay, to sum this up, there are tied votes, I have about an hour and 54 minutes to vote, and now people are considering whether I'm innocent or not again. Is that correct?
Final Votes
1 Tunger - LockeZ
1 Ratty - YM
2 Yellow Magic - Gourd, Ratty
My computer crashed while writing the flavor text so no cool flavor text.
The town comes together near the gallows again. Blah blah blah. Yellow magic is hanged.
Yellow Magic has been hanged! He was a villager
Begin Night 3
1 Tunger - LockeZ
1 Ratty - YM
2 Yellow Magic - Gourd, Ratty
My computer crashed while writing the flavor text so no cool flavor text.
The town comes together near the gallows again. Blah blah blah. Yellow magic is hanged.
Yellow Magic has been hanged! He was a villager
Begin Night 3
Awaking from sleep for another bloody day, the town finds not one, but 2 corpses. One suffers a single, clean cut, while the other is hacked all to pieces. It seems these kills were carried out by different people of different skill levels. After some investigating, the two bodies are identified.
OddRabbit has been killed! He was a villager.
Ratty has been slain by the Vigilante's sword. He was the Black Mage.
Begin Day 4
OddRabbit has been killed! He was a villager.
Ratty has been slain by the Vigilante's sword. He was the Black Mage.
Begin Day 4
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
So the black mage had three nights' worth of powers to use, and we didn't kill him until night #3. ...Ugh.
Well, there are only four of us left alive, so at least we know that Kloe and Ratty were real confirmed mafia kills and not deceits. If one of them were fake, the game would already be over. (Someone's role might've been faked but not their alignment, but if so, that's irrelevant at this point, since the mafia has no powers left either way.)
Well, there are only four of us left alive, so at least we know that Kloe and Ratty were real confirmed mafia kills and not deceits. If one of them were fake, the game would already be over. (Someone's role might've been faked but not their alignment, but if so, that's irrelevant at this point, since the mafia has no powers left either way.)
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
This is the final night. Which of you assholes is the seer? This would be the appropriate time to spill the beans. It better not have been fucking cavedog. Jesus.
psy_wombats
13315
Only a humble shepherd here.
LockeZ, this isn't necessarily the last day. If the whitemage is alive, there's always a shot. The vigilante sword is also in play and does not necessarily have to be swung.
There's also no guarantee that Ratty was the real deal. The equal mafia equal town setup in the simulator is "mafia wins provided they don't suck." At best it's a 50/50 for town. Kloe is almost certainly scum because she was daykilled. If scum had the sword though, they could've doctored up Ratty and killed him on the same night. Either way, this is winnable. We can exonerate someone if we pull another deal like with Odd (PBUH) where the vigilante calls the sword recipient.
@Blob can you confirm if play continues for a tied mafia/town?
LockeZ, this isn't necessarily the last day. If the whitemage is alive, there's always a shot. The vigilante sword is also in play and does not necessarily have to be swung.
There's also no guarantee that Ratty was the real deal. The equal mafia equal town setup in the simulator is "mafia wins provided they don't suck." At best it's a 50/50 for town. Kloe is almost certainly scum because she was daykilled. If scum had the sword though, they could've doctored up Ratty and killed him on the same night. Either way, this is winnable. We can exonerate someone if we pull another deal like with Odd (PBUH) where the vigilante calls the sword recipient.
@Blob can you confirm if play continues for a tied mafia/town?
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
Um, the person calling the sword recipient would be you, genius.
Normal mafia rules are that if there are equal town and mafia remaining, the mafia wins. I guess it's possible that's not the case in this game, since the rules in the OP don't explicitly say so (or even say that there's any way to win the game whatsoever!)
Normal mafia rules are that if there are equal town and mafia remaining, the mafia wins. I guess it's possible that's not the case in this game, since the rules in the OP don't explicitly say so (or even say that there's any way to win the game whatsoever!)
