DOES ANYONE REMEMBER GAMINGW? (REMEMBERING GAMINGW)
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author=Corfaisus
I also remember S4D being a mod.
I was??? When the hell did that happen!? That’s like giving a loaded gun to someone who’s currently serving life on deathrow and telling them not to pull the trigger.
Maybe they made me a mod for a day or a week as some sort of a joke? I think I kind of vaguely remember something like that happening back then, but it’s been so long since I was a member there that I don’t really remember.
There was that April fools prank that made everyone admin. (and made one subforum where people could actually use those "admin" powers)
I think Gaming World's demise sort of started when certain people who became prominent in the community, who actively disliked RPG Maker, had started pushing to make the site focus less on it. Ideally, not even at all. It was sort of strange since that's what the site had originally been built around, and I remember a lot of people (myself included) feeling alienated that RPG Maker users were being pushed aside/away. I recall, at one point, it was pretty much deemed okay for the members who didn't like RPG Maker to troll game topics in Game & Demo. Take fan games for example (a type of game that's always been close to my heart), I remember taking a bit of abuse and shit from other GW users because of what I would create (fan games). The whole atmosphere on the site was just becoming really awful and it's the reason why I left and joined RMN, even before it became SaltW.
I always felt like, in the last few years as Gaming World, the highly influential members appeared to want to do everything in their power to make GW into something it wasn't, and I think that's ultimately what led to the site just turning into... whatever the hell it is now. It was just so mismanaged towards the end that it was painful to watch.
RMN, while never as active as GW was in its peak, is still a superior site. The best part about RMN? Nothing is really flat out "shunned", more or less anything is encouraged because, here, creativity is key. The fact that we're all just doing what we love is what's important on RMN, and I'm glad that a lot of former GW members who seem to promote that same message are here as well.
I always felt like, in the last few years as Gaming World, the highly influential members appeared to want to do everything in their power to make GW into something it wasn't, and I think that's ultimately what led to the site just turning into... whatever the hell it is now. It was just so mismanaged towards the end that it was painful to watch.
RMN, while never as active as GW was in its peak, is still a superior site. The best part about RMN? Nothing is really flat out "shunned", more or less anything is encouraged because, here, creativity is key. The fact that we're all just doing what we love is what's important on RMN, and I'm glad that a lot of former GW members who seem to promote that same message are here as well.
I recall very many years ago after sharing a game that I had made at SaltW, someone asked why I even bothered posting a game since the forums were basically dead, no one there would play my game and I should instead just post all my stuff here at RMN.
The community was nice in GamingW when it was GamingW, one guy even made an animated edit of my avatar with multiple frames, just out of kindness of their heart and never wanted anything in return.
The community was nice in GamingW when it was GamingW, one guy even made an animated edit of my avatar with multiple frames, just out of kindness of their heart and never wanted anything in return.
author=halibabica
I think I still have a copy of that on my computer. I was one of the folks who helped test the game a lot. It was ultimately named Banana Nababa.
Thanks halibabical! Yeah, I downloaded Banana Nababa, a few days ago, after you mentioned it <3. I found it on archive.org (I believe it was part of gamingw's initiative to add their games to the archive.org - It still holds up actually!
I think I sunk maybe 3 hours into it, trying to get to the 3rd Boss; it's like the best parts of Contra but without the frustrating cheap deaths - like, each boss comes down to, memorizing what's the best way to maneuver around the level without getting hit.
But like, unlike Contra, it's easier, but intricate to figure out these movements - Like, it's actually a lot of fun and you get a new weapon after beating each boss. But ya, this is the first time I'm playing it and it still holds up!
https://archive.org/details/BananaNababa

author=Shinan
There was that April fools prank that made everyone admin. (and made one subforum where people could actually use those "admin" powers)
I remember that, I also remember Esh, and also something about him becoming disenchanted with the film industry, shortly after finding work in it (I vaguely remember this). I think his icon was like, an Edward Norton-ish dude in a suit and tie I miss that dude - I can't remember why, but I think he moderated G&D for awhile before leaving GamingW.
author=UPRC
I think Gaming World's demise sort of started when certain people who became prominent in the community, who actively disliked RPG Maker, had started pushing to make the site focus less on it. Ideally, not even at all. It was sort of strange since that's what the site had originally been built around, and I remember a lot of people (myself included) feeling alienated that RPG Maker users were being pushed aside/away. I recall, at one point, it was pretty much deemed okay for the members who didn't like RPG Maker to troll game topics in Game & Demo. Take fan games for example (a type of game that's always been close to my heart), I remember taking a bit of abuse and shit from other GW users because of what I would create (fan games). The whole atmosphere on the site was just becoming really awful and it's the reason why I left and joined RMN, even before it became SaltW.
I always felt like, in the last few years as Gaming World, the highly influential members appeared to want to do everything in their power to make GW into something it wasn't, and I think that's ultimately what led to the site just turning into... whatever the hell it is now. It was just so mismanaged towards the end that it was painful to watch.
RMN, while never as active as GW was in its peak, is still a superior site. The best part about RMN? Nothing is really flat out "shunned", more or less anything is encouraged because, here, creativity is key. The fact that we're all just doing what we love is what's important on RMN, and I'm glad that a lot of former GW members who seem to promote that same message are here as well.
this is excellent UPRC, Thank You! I think this perfectly summarizes, I think, how we all felt back then. I remember jumping back and forth between RRR and RMN for awhile because most of the activity and excitement that use to be on GamingW was now gone. It was a very weird feeling to be there afterwards, like not just the negativity that members would throw ontop of G&Ders, But that feeling, the idea that, the place that we all once knew and loved was now, somehow gone.
But yeah, I'm gonna keep my eyes peeled on this thread and hope someone will jump in and fill in what GamingW was like 2001-2005. Was it like, how RMN is now? was it more like GGZ? Like, it's hard to describe the atmosphere since I wasn't involved back then, but I remember sometimes browsing the site after school and wondering what kind games were on there back then.
Like, were the early years of GamingW more like the early years of Newgrounds? Like this "tough, but fair" mentality?:
Like, if you were talented, you were "okay" but if you weren't, you'd usually get pushed around by the trolls - but you'd also have the people who were going into like, the animation or music industry, mentors, people who were always very kind and helpful to other users, etc.
Was GamingW 2001-2005 more like that? Like, it's hard to nail down the atmosphere of early internet communities. Like if anyone remembers Pendako it was an early internet whiteboard drawing site - that the cover artists of PSM (The Unofficial PlayStation Magazine) hosted and sometimes would hang out on:

Like, sometimes you'd get the random internet troll at the odd hour, who'd randomly clear the board, which a moderator would then kick. But generally everyone was just happy to be there, being able to communicate and draw with people from Europe, Japan and all different parts of the world.
Was GamingW 2001-2005 more like that?
It was generally just trollish from what I remember. It was sort of the SomethingAwful of the game development community to put it crudely. The sense of humor is hard to pinpoint and I'm not sure if you can find another community quite like it. One moment you'd have someone shitting out a fake anecdote as a joke and the next moment you'd see a detailed analytical movie review from the same person. Just really trashy posting that somehow tried to export out as intellect. There were instances of respect among talented peers but I think that was just among a celebrated clique most of the time. I feel like a lot of internet communities now are generally more earnest, even the bad ones. This is of course coming from someone who never went on the IRC, never really posted, just browsed on and off, and was like 14 or something.
Also why was the villain from Blue's Journey the "mascot" of GW?
Also why was the villain from Blue's Journey the "mascot" of GW?

author=LordBlueRouge
But yeah, I'm gonna keep my eyes peeled on this thread and hope someone will jump in and fill in what GamingW was like 2001-2005. Was it like, how RMN is now? was it more like GGZ? Like, it's hard to describe the atmosphere since I wasn't involved back then, but I remember sometimes browsing the site after school and wondering what kind games were on there back then.
Like, were the early years of GamingW more like the early years of Newgrounds? Like this "tough, but fair" mentality?:
Like, if you were talented, you were "okay" but if you weren't, you'd usually get pushed around by the troll - but you'd also have the people who were going into like, the animation or music industry, mentors, people who were always very kind and helpful to other users, etc.
Was GamingW 2001-2005 more like that? Like, it's hard to nail down the atmosphere of early internet communities. Like if anyone remembers Pendako it was an early internet whiteboard drawing site - that the cover artists of PSM (The Unofficial PlayStation Magazine) hosted and sometimes would hang out on:
Early GW was a bag of mixed nuts. Some subforums were absolute shitfests full of moderately unfriendly people and/or trollish behaviour (Crap Shack being the biggest example). General Discussion and Game & Demo had their fair share of nasty posting, but it wasn't constant. Some forums, mostly the arts forums for music, literature, etc. were actually REALLY nice and calm to post in.
I don't think that GW started to strongly adopt the weird "targ" attitude until 2003/2004ish when the members who endorsed that sort of behaviour started to become more prominent in the community. Those years were probably still the golden years of GW though, since the entire site was just a big melting pot of EVERYTHING at the time. If I recall, it was probably 2006 or 2007 when the site started to slide pretty quickly.
I dug up GW's own version of its history in the waybackmachine:
https://web.archive.org/web/20071011154523/http://wiki.gamingw.net:80/view/Gaming_World
I also found my own gwiki article (probably written by me since on the sidebar I'm the second most active gwiki contributor :)
https://web.archive.org/web/20070514230351/http://wiki.gamingw.net:80/view/Shinan
https://web.archive.org/web/20011101072135/http://www.gamingw.net:80/more.asp?id=127 Kill Osama Bin Laden, The Game. From September 19th 2001 :)
Since I'm only interested in myself I found that I had made a topic on the Game and Demo forums some time in 2001 with the title "Screenshots from my new rm2k game..." https://web.archive.org/web/20010708093449/http://www.gamingw.net:80/forums/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=3&CAT_ID=7&Forum_Title=Game+and+Demo but unfortunately the topic itself wasn't saved so I have no idea what game this could have been!
https://web.archive.org/web/20010425150954/http://www.gamingw.net:80/forums/pop_profile.asp?mode=display&id=32
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That was my nostalgia backtrack. But yeah early GW history, GW originally picked up steam when rpgmaker.net went down
( https://web.archive.org/web/20010517131251/http://www.gamingw.net:80/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=386&FORUM_ID=20&CAT_ID=1&Topic_Title=4-in-1&Forum_Title=Topic+of+the+Week )
For a while rpgmaker.net redirected to GW. There was schisms (that I don't know much about since I wasn't involved at "that level") and various "successors" popped up (I remember rpgsource.net, since I became staffer there for a bit). But GW was, seemingly, the big one for quite a while there in the early going.
https://web.archive.org/web/20071011154523/http://wiki.gamingw.net:80/view/Gaming_World
I also found my own gwiki article (probably written by me since on the sidebar I'm the second most active gwiki contributor :)
https://web.archive.org/web/20070514230351/http://wiki.gamingw.net:80/view/Shinan
https://web.archive.org/web/20011101072135/http://www.gamingw.net:80/more.asp?id=127 Kill Osama Bin Laden, The Game. From September 19th 2001 :)
Since I'm only interested in myself I found that I had made a topic on the Game and Demo forums some time in 2001 with the title "Screenshots from my new rm2k game..." https://web.archive.org/web/20010708093449/http://www.gamingw.net:80/forums/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=3&CAT_ID=7&Forum_Title=Game+and+Demo but unfortunately the topic itself wasn't saved so I have no idea what game this could have been!
https://web.archive.org/web/20010425150954/http://www.gamingw.net:80/forums/pop_profile.asp?mode=display&id=32
Posts: 8
That was my nostalgia backtrack. But yeah early GW history, GW originally picked up steam when rpgmaker.net went down
( https://web.archive.org/web/20010517131251/http://www.gamingw.net:80/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=386&FORUM_ID=20&CAT_ID=1&Topic_Title=4-in-1&Forum_Title=Topic+of+the+Week )
For a while rpgmaker.net redirected to GW. There was schisms (that I don't know much about since I wasn't involved at "that level") and various "successors" popped up (I remember rpgsource.net, since I became staffer there for a bit). But GW was, seemingly, the big one for quite a while there in the early going.
I also found my (obviously self-written as well) wiki article! This part made me laugh:
I'm actually having a lot of fun looking at a bunch of old GW Wiki pages now. I am, however, OUTRAGED AT THE LACK OF A SOLDAT PAGE.
Becoming a regular at Don's new ezBoard forums, UPRC flourished. Unfortunately, when he released his first full RPG titled Lost Chapters in August 2000, it was immediately voted worst RPG Maker game of all time.
I'm actually having a lot of fun looking at a bunch of old GW Wiki pages now. I am, however, OUTRAGED AT THE LACK OF A SOLDAT PAGE.
author=UPRC
OUTRAGED AT THE LACK OF A SOLDAT PAGE.
Well... Actually
https://web.archive.org/web/20070510073113/http://wiki.gamingw.net:80/view/GWSoldat
edit:
And here's the history of Targ. Apparently.
https://web.archive.org/web/20070519182649/http://wiki.gamingw.net:80/view/Targ
Oh, there we go! I was just looking for a "Soldat" page. Going to enjoy reading that one since the whole GW Soldat subcommunity was, by and far, one of my favourite and most memorable times spent at GW.
Depends on where on GW you were. Now I have to admit that it sucked a bit before it turned into SaltW. But there was that time during GWIki and GWradio and the hope for GW6 (or 7?) when a lot of people were hopeful of greatness (2007-ish?)
Of course when I looked through the archives there was a lot of terrible too. But 02-07 it was great times.
Edit: speaking of the downfall of GW.
The way I remember it (after looking at the archives and remembering through them) there was this hope for a new page after coastercraft gold. A page that probably was similar to what RMN is now. But instead there was a placeholder and in the end there was a blog. A blog that lived for like a couple of months before completely declining. (I remember some good interviews on it)
After that it was the total downhill of GW. In the old Coastercraft Gold days there was at least the pretense that something might happen eventually. (I guess eventually itch.io happened :)) But with the death of the blog and then the final nail in the coffin when the forums were massively downsized it was the true death. (the GW premium member thing was quite something with that ftp full of shit that was kinda hard to find. Even though I barely used it in the end)
IRC lived on for a while but the fact is that when whahay.net died so did GW. There was a lot of subchannels and subcommunities there that still kinda lived. (#roleplay/#darkling (I can't remember which it was. But #darkling was an RP channel at some point), #gamedesign and there was a #movies or something similar to that which was full of good stuff.)
Notalgia goggles or no it had a good time. That ended.
Of course when I looked through the archives there was a lot of terrible too. But 02-07 it was great times.
Edit: speaking of the downfall of GW.
The way I remember it (after looking at the archives and remembering through them) there was this hope for a new page after coastercraft gold. A page that probably was similar to what RMN is now. But instead there was a placeholder and in the end there was a blog. A blog that lived for like a couple of months before completely declining. (I remember some good interviews on it)
After that it was the total downhill of GW. In the old Coastercraft Gold days there was at least the pretense that something might happen eventually. (I guess eventually itch.io happened :)) But with the death of the blog and then the final nail in the coffin when the forums were massively downsized it was the true death. (the GW premium member thing was quite something with that ftp full of shit that was kinda hard to find. Even though I barely used it in the end)
IRC lived on for a while but the fact is that when whahay.net died so did GW. There was a lot of subchannels and subcommunities there that still kinda lived. (#roleplay/#darkling (I can't remember which it was. But #darkling was an RP channel at some point), #gamedesign and there was a #movies or something similar to that which was full of good stuff.)
Notalgia goggles or no it had a good time. That ended.
author=Kaempfer
GW fucking sucked for years before it died.
Take off your nostalgia goggles.
Kaempfer,
I think everyone on RMN knows how much GamingW sucked, we've made several posts about it throughout the years (...It's why most of us moved here from GamingW):
https://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/1022/?post=14373#post14373
https://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/1012/?post=14107#post14107
...But what you just wrote, doesn't really tell me anything. It's incredibly dismissive and unnecessarily negative.
tell us why it sucked, how it sucked, when it sucked. Who made it suck for you.
I mentioned your name throughout this thread, cause you wrote this really great summary about GGZ! (♥)
I was hoping you would write something similar.
If you're going to say how much GamingW sucks, could you at least tell us why?
Like, I was really looking forward to what your thoughts would be on GamingW, because your summary on GGZ was so good.
I thought you would be the expert, what's going on here?
(EDIT: I was gonna wait till I finished working on the New Rare/Obscure Thread, but it's taking longer than I thought, so I'm just gonna post what I have now)
Shinan, thank you so much for digging this up! I tried looking for the GWiki History myself, but couldn't find it, so I was gonna ask ya, but I was afraid what the answer might've been, since most of the stuff I've found, is either gone, or wasn't backed up on webarchive. So Thank You! ♥
I believe this!♥
Yeah Karsuman, used the exact same words, back in 2009 to describe GamingW, back when everyone was still moving here to RMN - and after reading MotherBoard's recent extensive interview on the history of SomethingAwful - Yeah, GamingW doesn't sound too far off from what SomethingAwful was like.
GamingW did have some really great moments but unfortunately, the Good didn't out way the Bad and the site, I think, unfortunately suffered from it, which is what Rich "Lowtax" Kyanka is dealing with right now as he attempts to turn his own site, back around.
(...I remember someone bringing this up years ago, either on the blog or the forums I can't remember which)
author=Shinan
I dug up GW's own version of its history in the waybackmachine:
https://web.archive.org/web/20071011154523/http://wiki.gamingw.net:80/view/Gaming_World
I also found my own gwiki article (probably written by me since on the sidebar I'm the second most active gwiki contributor :)
https://web.archive.org/web/20070514230351/http://wiki.gamingw.net:80/view/Shinan
Shinan, thank you so much for digging this up! I tried looking for the GWiki History myself, but couldn't find it, so I was gonna ask ya, but I was afraid what the answer might've been, since most of the stuff I've found, is either gone, or wasn't backed up on webarchive. So Thank You! ♥
author=Darken
It was generally just trollish from what I remember. It was sort of the SomethingAwful of the game development community to put it crudely. The sense of humor is hard to pinpoint and I'm not sure if you can find another community quite like it. One moment you'd have someone shitting out a fake anecdote as a joke and the next moment you'd see a detailed analytical movie review from the same person. Just really trashy posting that somehow tried to export out as intellect. There were instances of respect among talented peers but I think that was just among a celebrated clique most of the time. I feel like a lot of internet communities now are generally more earnest, even the bad ones. This is of course coming from someone who never went on the IRC, never really posted, just browsed on and off, and was like 14 or something.
I believe this!♥
Yeah Karsuman, used the exact same words, back in 2009 to describe GamingW, back when everyone was still moving here to RMN - and after reading MotherBoard's recent extensive interview on the history of SomethingAwful - Yeah, GamingW doesn't sound too far off from what SomethingAwful was like.
GamingW did have some really great moments but unfortunately, the Good didn't out way the Bad and the site, I think, unfortunately suffered from it, which is what Rich "Lowtax" Kyanka is dealing with right now as he attempts to turn his own site, back around.
author=DarkenThis is the real GamingW mystery
Also why was the villain from Blue's Journey the "mascot" of GW?
(...I remember someone bringing this up years ago, either on the blog or the forums I can't remember which)
I think the "foget" was GW's own "All your base are belong to us" since "are you resistins me" is directly from the game and I guess they thought it was funny. (I just looked through some plays of the game and saw "are you resistins me" I wonder if "never foget" is also from the game or if that was just created separately.
The earliest "fogets" I remember are kind hazy. I remember I thought it was just a way to call people "faggot" (which people always pointed out clearly wasn't the case. Even though it probably was occasionally). After 9/11 "never foget" was all over GW in combination with that villain image. And eventually I guess it just became the mascot.
http://pixeljoint.com/pixelart/22843.htm
This is probably not superhelpful. But I probably didn't read the thread where fogetman first appeared. But I have no doubt it originated somehow in relation to the "All your base" and other similar memes at the time.
There was on GW people who really looked up the the SA-thing. I remember there were some web-based games that GW tried to troll the way described in SA-articles and were delighted whenever they were noticed over there. I was never really part of that crowd (though some of the browser games I happily played along with for a bit until GW decided to mass troll them :)
The earliest "fogets" I remember are kind hazy. I remember I thought it was just a way to call people "faggot" (which people always pointed out clearly wasn't the case. Even though it probably was occasionally). After 9/11 "never foget" was all over GW in combination with that villain image. And eventually I guess it just became the mascot.
http://pixeljoint.com/pixelart/22843.htm
This is probably not superhelpful. But I probably didn't read the thread where fogetman first appeared. But I have no doubt it originated somehow in relation to the "All your base" and other similar memes at the time.
There was on GW people who really looked up the the SA-thing. I remember there were some web-based games that GW tried to troll the way described in SA-articles and were delighted whenever they were noticed over there. I was never really part of that crowd (though some of the browser games I happily played along with for a bit until GW decided to mass troll them :)
GW had some good elements, sure; the IRC was fun, and there were lots of zany hijinx to be enjoyed if you wandered out of the Game Dev subforums.
Unfortunately, I usually didn't. The game dev (game & demo?) subforums were a toxic, horrible place. There were a notable few people who made it their mission to take a shit upon every project and screenshot posted, especially if it was RPGMaker related. You were lucky if you could get a post off without it being trolled into the ground immediately. There were a few exceptions to this; a handful of GM games were praised for being not-RPGMaker games, but since the majority of the projects spawned in G&D were RM2k*, most of the posting was dreadful.
GW was a forum at war with itself. You had the main forums, which was mostly shitposting and people trolling one another, and then you had the subforums, where starry eyed youths like me went to get their dreams shit upon.
Did you know TFT once put my actual, real-life face in a game to make fun of me? Yeah, that was great. "It was just a joke!" cries Magi to this day, but fuck that. It was mean-spirited and unnecessary.
So,
edit: I tried to make this edit, but it didn't take: Obviously GW affected everyone differently, and everyone has a different takeaway. To me, though, it was a nasty joke that I wasn't in on. If I approached it now, as a thick-skinned adult, it wouldn't have affected me. As a wee babby taking his first steps into the online world, though, it was a vile place, full of bullies and elitists who clumped together to shit on people for no discernible reason.
edit2: RMN, since the day I joined after a long, reluctant hiatus brought upon by my experience with GW, has been a vastly superior site and forum. It's got a better community, better admins, better everything. RMN is bae
Unfortunately, I usually didn't. The game dev (game & demo?) subforums were a toxic, horrible place. There were a notable few people who made it their mission to take a shit upon every project and screenshot posted, especially if it was RPGMaker related. You were lucky if you could get a post off without it being trolled into the ground immediately. There were a few exceptions to this; a handful of GM games were praised for being not-RPGMaker games, but since the majority of the projects spawned in G&D were RM2k*, most of the posting was dreadful.
GW was a forum at war with itself. You had the main forums, which was mostly shitposting and people trolling one another, and then you had the subforums, where starry eyed youths like me went to get their dreams shit upon.
Did you know TFT once put my actual, real-life face in a game to make fun of me? Yeah, that was great. "It was just a joke!" cries Magi to this day, but fuck that. It was mean-spirited and unnecessary.
So,
It's incredibly dismissive and unnecessarily negative.no, fuck GW and its toxic, shitty legacy, its non-existent mods and its self-destructive spiral into nothingness. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
edit: I tried to make this edit, but it didn't take: Obviously GW affected everyone differently, and everyone has a different takeaway. To me, though, it was a nasty joke that I wasn't in on. If I approached it now, as a thick-skinned adult, it wouldn't have affected me. As a wee babby taking his first steps into the online world, though, it was a vile place, full of bullies and elitists who clumped together to shit on people for no discernible reason.
edit2: RMN, since the day I joined after a long, reluctant hiatus brought upon by my experience with GW, has been a vastly superior site and forum. It's got a better community, better admins, better everything. RMN is bae
(I want to jump in here quickly.) Kaempfer, this is excellent. Thank You. ♥
GamingW's History is always going to be hard to talk about and I wanted to present both sides in a fair and equal way.
It was never easy to be on that site frankly, so I'm glad you had the courage to say it.
It's why I frankly never really participated in GamingW outside of a handful of interactions. So, thank You!
GamingW's History is always going to be hard to talk about and I wanted to present both sides in a fair and equal way.
It was never easy to be on that site frankly, so I'm glad you had the courage to say it.
It's why I frankly never really participated in GamingW outside of a handful of interactions. So, thank You!


















