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[MAFIA] PRISONER'S DILEMMA. GAME OVER
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psy_wombats
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CloseI would still prefer to kill piano today. I reread the interaction with Liberty and it looks slightly better (at first I thought she was voting against me as I had the most votes) but I still think he's both the most likely to be scum.
I take back what I said about shinan's vote appearing townish - if the train got momentum his scum play would be to vanish into the aether so that he could wash his hands of my flip tomorrow. Killing him however would give no information if he's town.
PA dying would be also be fine, he's still my most-likely-nonvanilla but he'd be able to claim and I don't think I'll live to investigate him if he has a scum-only role.
I take back what I said about shinan's vote appearing townish - if the train got momentum his scum play would be to vanish into the aether so that he could wash his hands of my flip tomorrow. Killing him however would give no information if he's town.
PA dying would be also be fine, he's still my most-likely-nonvanilla but he'd be able to claim and I don't think I'll live to investigate him if he has a scum-only role.
Wait, you're making absolutely no sense here Psy. First, you yourself tell Libby that you are no longer at hammer.
Here: https://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/24686/?post=887419#post887419
But then right thereafter you claim a role in fear of being hammered?
Here: https://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/24686/?post=887422#post887422
And then in this post here you claim that you thought Libby cancelled her vote on you and that I also cancelled my vote on you, and that you had the count wrong and didn't want Libby to hammer you.
How can you be so incredibly incoherent with your knowledge of being hammered or not? I'm calling your bluff, you're fake claiming cop imo.
#lynch Psy_Wombats
Here: https://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/24686/?post=887419#post887419
But then right thereafter you claim a role in fear of being hammered?
Here: https://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/24686/?post=887422#post887422
And then in this post here you claim that you thought Libby cancelled her vote on you and that I also cancelled my vote on you, and that you had the count wrong and didn't want Libby to hammer you.
How can you be so incredibly incoherent with your knowledge of being hammered or not? I'm calling your bluff, you're fake claiming cop imo.
#lynch Psy_Wombats
I'm honestly not sure if I believe your role claim or not. If it's true, scum are going to be gunning for you tonight since you're a sure-fire role hit. If not, then you're playing a very dumb game because I'm pretty sure town has a similar role and if it's not you that has that role then it'll be easily figured out, if not by someone calling bullshit now, then by someone doing so tomorrow after investigating others.
Ugh, fuck it, I'll put my vote back where it was for now. You better hope you don't get murdered in the night. If there's any bodyguard role, it might be a good idea if they protect you during the night phase just to see if they can stave off any scum interference whilst you prove yourself useful. Even a two-shot role-cop can be dangerous if they investigate the right person.
#lynch pianotm
Ugh, fuck it, I'll put my vote back where it was for now. You better hope you don't get murdered in the night. If there's any bodyguard role, it might be a good idea if they protect you during the night phase just to see if they can stave off any scum interference whilst you prove yourself useful. Even a two-shot role-cop can be dangerous if they investigate the right person.
#lynch pianotm
Well, if psy's telling the truth, I'm pretty sure who he'll use it on first. I'll probably be NKed tonight because psy's most likely to check me, and then psy tomorrow.
#Lynch Liberty
#Lynch Liberty
psy_wombats
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I mean at this post https://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/24686/?post=887412#post887412 I wasn't aware I was one vote away - had thought that your cancellation was of a vote against me because of this post https://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/24686/?post=887384#post887384, and that therefore I wasn't at hammer any more even though cave's count read 6 earlier.
Okay, in this game, claims are easier to make because they can't be challenged. Nobody knows who the roles are, and in a game that, from what we can tell, may or may not be totally random, and looking at the rules, I can't see anything off-hand where CAVE says roles will be unique.
Ozzy, I thought you learned this lesson last game. Don't just put a vote on a cop claim.
Ozzy, I thought you learned this lesson last game. Don't just put a vote on a cop claim.
What? Your post made no sense just now piano. What do you mean 'and then psy tomorrow'? Or that you'll be checked first tonight. He said he was going to check PA.
And why are you so quick to suddenly believe him as soon as he claims. Especially with how gung-ho you've been about him all this time. He could be lying out his ass, as Ozzy pointed out.
Also, lol, missed those replies. Gotta get back in the habit of refreshing the page before posting.
And why are you so quick to suddenly believe him as soon as he claims. Especially with how gung-ho you've been about him all this time. He could be lying out his ass, as Ozzy pointed out.
Also, lol, missed those replies. Gotta get back in the habit of refreshing the page before posting.
psy_wombats
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The way I had things listed out I wasn't actually off hammer until tale canceled his vote. Was never afraid of Liberty hammering me because I assumed she'd already voted against me.
don't really see what good getting the count wrong would do me as scum anyway - screwups aren't indicative of alignment.
@Liberty: I'm making no guarantee of who I'm checking or not checking tonight, or else scum would only nk me if I was going to get a useful result. That's not to say it won't be PA.
don't really see what good getting the count wrong would do me as scum anyway - screwups aren't indicative of alignment.
@Liberty: I'm making no guarantee of who I'm checking or not checking tonight, or else scum would only nk me if I was going to get a useful result. That's not to say it won't be PA.
author=pianotm
Okay, in this game, claims are easier to make because they can't be challenged. Nobody knows who the roles are, and in a game that, from what we can tell, may or may not be totally random, and looking at the rules, I can't see anything off-hand where CAVE says roles will be unique.
Ozzy, I thought you learned this lesson last game. Don't just put a vote on a cop claim.
If I recall correctly, last game my insistance on voting the fishy cop led to said being ousted as scum. I am also worried how you pulled an absolute 180 on Psy, as Libby pointed out. Like, a few pages back you were all like "I know he's scum, lynch him!!!" and now you're not? I would vote both of you but that's sadly not possible, but I will #cancel my vote.. for now. I'll be ready to hammer the moment the chance presents itself.
author=Liberty
What? Your post made no sense just now piano. What do you mean 'and then psy tomorrow'? Or that you'll be checked first tonight. He said he was going to check PA.
I think he means that Psy's gonna get killed Night 2, assuming that Psy survives tonight? I think the logic of his statement is "If Psy checks me, then my role will be revealed, but if I die tonight, then Psy's selection is useless, and then mafia can get another free kill off of Psy."
...But that doesn't really make sense in my head, so I'm pretty sure I'm wrong.
Liberty
What? Your post made no sense just now piano. What do you mean 'and then psy tomorrow'? Or that you'll be checked first tonight. He said he was going to check PA.
And why are you so quick to suddenly believe him as soon as he claims. Especially with how gung-ho you've been about him all this time. He could be lying out his ass, as Ozzy pointed out.
Also, lol, missed those replies. Gotta get back in the habit of refreshing the page before posting.
Oh, he said he was going to check PA tonight? Yeah, then if scum doesn't hit psy, it mean's they'll hit PA, unless PA IS scum. So of course, just hitting psy is the best way to go because then that would put heat on PA if he's town in addition to getting rid of psy as a threat.
Also, it doesn't matter if I suspect him as scum. He made a cop claim. Voting him would be shady as fuck. Also, he said the one thing I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on: he doesn't have reliable internet access because he's at a location where he has to walk in order to get it. I remember this distinctly from the Avalon game. It absolutely explains why he couldn't give coherent replies to my early non-existent scum hunt. So, I'm voting on the person who deliberately lied what I said to her in a post and then gave me crickets when I confronted her with a qoute of the post; you.
AlaskanEmily
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That role seems awfully convenient.
I'm cancelling for right now, but like...we'll see.
Would it would make the most sense to not lynch Psy, and then find it extremely suspicious if he is not NK?
@Piano: Why wouldn't scum just kill Psy instead? Your reasoning seems pretty shaky to me.
I'm cancelling for right now, but like...we'll see.
Would it would make the most sense to not lynch Psy, and then find it extremely suspicious if he is not NK?
@Piano: Why wouldn't scum just kill Psy instead? Your reasoning seems pretty shaky to me.
My main lynch targets for today are either Psy or Piano. While I get that Piano is trying to defend the potential cop role, there's no way for us to know if Psy really is cop or not, as the real cop, if there is, will most definetely not counterclaim. Imo, it would've looked better to me if Piano was sceptical of Psy's claim judging by Piano's actions so far, but he bought the claim no problem.
oddRABBITauthor=LibertyI think he means that Psy's gonna get killed Night 2, assuming that Psy survives tonight? I think the logic of his statement is "If Psy checks me, then my role will be revealed, but if I die tonight, then Psy's selection is useless, and then mafia can get another free kill off of Psy."
What? Your post made no sense just now piano. What do you mean 'and then psy tomorrow'? Or that you'll be checked first tonight. He said he was going to check PA.
...But that doesn't really make sense in my head, so I'm pretty sure I'm wrong.
Psy's going to check PA tonight. If PA's not scum, there's a good chance they'll hit him tonight, but it's risky, so they'll likely hit psy. Either way, psy getting nked tonight is certain. So yeah, the way some scum might play it is to chance getting a free kill off of psy because he's said who he'll check.
@psy: Well you indicated that you were going to aim for PA (which suits me since I don't trust him or piano. I'm fine with waiting to see where that checking goes, if indeed it does at all) so as far as any of us know, that still is your intended aim. Thus, piano saying that you're going to check him when you already said that is scummy af. That and the fact he flipped so fast as soon as you called a role despite being so gungho about you beforehand.
He's suspicious as fuck for jumping back as soon as it looks as though you might be someone that's beneficial to town - something that could be a straight out lie as far as anyone knows at this point.
In fact... why would you think that there's even a chance of overlapping roles, instead of consider that he's a lying liar who lies? That's certainly not the first thought that I had at all. The only reason to assume that is if you have something similar... maybe a scum role of the same? But you can't claim it now because it will be a huge scum tell to do so.
Oh, I think you just screwed the pooch, buddy.
He's suspicious as fuck for jumping back as soon as it looks as though you might be someone that's beneficial to town - something that could be a straight out lie as far as anyone knows at this point.
In fact... why would you think that there's even a chance of overlapping roles, instead of consider that he's a lying liar who lies? That's certainly not the first thought that I had at all. The only reason to assume that is if you have something similar... maybe a scum role of the same? But you can't claim it now because it will be a huge scum tell to do so.
Oh, I think you just screwed the pooch, buddy.
