[MAFIA] PRISONER'S DILEMMA. GAME OVER

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oddRABBIT - that I am aware of, this boy has never played scum. The one time I saw him change his playstyle, he made me think he had a power role. I sincerely doubt he's scum here, but as long he's keeping up the "I'm useless" nonsense, he could totally fake his way through.
PlatinumAshes - I thought he was scum. He acted like an idiot so much, I became less certain of that. Could he still be scum? Sure. I just don't think he is.
ivoryjones - This lady is so town you can see her halo from here.
demonlord - pretty sure this dude's town.
pianotm - This dude? On day one, he was like a bat stuck in psy's and Liberty's hairnets, and basically got them both killed and they flipped scum. That is totally a scum move, man! You know where to put your lynch votes!
AlaskanEmily - This might confuse a few people, but this individual is pinging my scumdar. I've played three games with her, including this one. In both previous games, she seemed perfectly town. I'd feel the same way here, except I've got a really weird feeling from her this time around. Seriously, don't just dismiss her as town. The biggest mistake town makes is assuming the one that's reasonable and soft spoken is town. That's how town lost in the Mafia Universe championship game I played. Nobody saw Jamie coming because they never took risks and they were always sensible and logical, but nobody noticed that they were constantly in the background and letting everyone else lead the conversation. They were scum and town lost that game after nailing both of their scum partners on days one and two.
Ozzy - If he wasn't confirmed town, I'd swear he's scum. I keep looking for a counterclaim.
tale - Town.
kittenfood - Confirmed town.
Shinan - Confirmed jerk that joins a game and then refuses to play.
Fomar - He has a good argument for why he probably isn't scum, but there's a good argument for why he might still be. I go either way on him.

I leave you with these words of wisdom!

"I think it was Cave that once said, 'People who post giant scum lists are scum.'" ~ Jeroen-Sol

Fomar0153
I feel like Ozzy is definitely town, a counterclaim would probably lead to both being lynched very quickly to find out the truth, so it would be the end of scum. Only counter argument I can think of would be, lots of people were suspicious of Liberty and they might have decidied it was best to throw her under the bus and try and make the last person appear super town. However with the action succeeded on saving Ivory I took that to mean that an attempt was made on Ivory, and the mafia don't get two kills a night.

Yeah, Ozzy always makes boneheaded moves when he's town. If anything, he's a town read. He's just a much better scum-player. Since he's confirmed town, I just feel more comfortable giving him shit.

I haven't read tale either way, what makes you lean towards town?

If tale gets a wagon on him, and I can't see that happening at this point, I'll elaborate, but only if.

Shinan's lack of play is annoying, he could get far if he is scum, just because he's easily forgotten.

Yeah, and this is the thing. He is like this in every game. Playing Pathfinder and DnD, he's the guy that sits in a chair drinking tea while the rest of his party is fighting a Mummy Lord. I have no idea why he joins and then won't play. If he's scum, that's what everyone's going to be used to. Nobody is going to second guess the fact that he's silent in the background. The fact that he was the first to vote psy and let it go shows he's very likely town, but if he's on board with bussing, you'd never know.

author=pianotm
Alright, fine. You want read lists? Here's a read list.

oddRABBIT - that I am aware of, this boy has never played scum. The one time I saw him change his playstyle, he made me think he had a power role. I sincerely doubt he's scum here, but as long he's keeping up the "I'm useless" nonsense, he could totally fake his way through.
PlatinumAshes - I thought he was scum. He acted like an idiot so much, I became less certain of that. Could he still be scum? Sure. I just don't think he is.

Um, Piano. I'm pretty sure you've been in every game in which I was scum, so that's like three times. Also, I'm trying to be more useful (since that was the condition for joining the Avalon mafia game, and people were pretty upset the "useless" comments, so I've been trying to avoid that, while making sure that it's made clear that most everything I do is just guessing.

As for PA, he's acting pretty much how I remember him acting in the Avalon game (I think you were scum in that one?) pretty idiotically. I'm pretty sure he isn't scum.

Ozzy is definitely town, same with Ivory and Kittenfood. Of course, Ozzy or Kittenfood could both be scum lying, but as Fomar mentioned above, doing that would pretty much ensure the game ended Night 2, or at max 3 (since if someone counterclaimed, and there wasn't enough evidence on either side, then, well. 50/50?). Basically, I'm pretty sure those three are confirmed town.

As for everyone else, I'm really not sure. For the most part, everyone feels town, with Piano feeling a little off, but... I really don't know at this point.

Well, Shinan's lack of posting is annoying, despite the fact that I probably pump out the second to last amount myself.

oddRABBIT

author=pianotm
Alright, fine. You want read lists? Here's a read list.

oddRABBIT - that I am aware of, this boy has never played scum. The one time I saw him change his playstyle, he made me think he had a power role. I sincerely doubt he's scum here, but as long he's keeping up the "I'm useless" nonsense, he could totally fake his way through.
PlatinumAshes - I thought he was scum. He acted like an idiot so much, I became less certain of that. Could he still be scum? Sure. I just don't think he is.

Um, Piano. I'm pretty sure you've been in every game in which I was scum, so that's like three times. Also, I'm trying to be more useful (since that was the condition for joining the Avalon mafia game, and people were pretty upset the "useless" comments, so I've been trying to avoid that, while making sure that it's made clear that most everything I do is just guessing.

I do not remember. What were the mafias?

As for PA, he's acting pretty much how I remember him acting in the Avalon game (I think you were scum in that one?) pretty idiotically. I'm pretty sure he isn't scum.

The only seriously idiotic thing he did that I can recall was claim Merlin on day one, which is what eventually lost the game. Other than that, he seemed to be taking the game reasonably seriously.

Ozzy is definitely town, same with Ivory and Kittenfood. Of course, Ozzy or Kittenfood could both be scum lying, but as Fomar mentioned above, doing that would pretty much ensure the game ended Night 2, or at max 3 (since if someone counterclaimed, and there wasn't enough evidence on either side, then, well. 50/50?). Basically, I'm pretty sure those three are confirmed town.

Yeah, if Ozzy or Kittenfood is lying, there is absolutely no reason not to counterclaim, and it would be crazy for scum to counterclaim.

As for everyone else, I'm really not sure. For the most part, everyone feels town, with Piano feeling a little off, but... I really don't know at this point.

When I was playing scum, how off did I feel?

Well, Shinan's lack of posting is annoying, despite the fact that I probably pump out the second to last amount myself.

The difference is that you're actually contributing. The only thing shinan's doing is laying down votes, saying "Let's murder someone," and then complaining when people want him to actually say something.

It kind of does tale, because scum would only target a townie, and if Ivory was protected and only Liberty died because of me the town vigilante shooting her, than scum must've targeted a townie, who was Ivory.

Appreciate the explanation Ozzy.

Sorry, I meant this game and PA's game.

AlaskanEmily
Wait, we've been in three games together? This game, Cave's game, and...?

I'm curious how many mafia games you think I've played on RMN.

The Avalon game that Jeroen ran, the game PlatinumAshes ran--the one where CAVE challenged me and I claimed Detective Gray, remember?--and this game.

No! You've only been in two games on this site!