[MAFIA] PRISONER'S DILEMMA. GAME OVER

author=kittenfood
i'm still not used to the "use ML everyday" stuff, and i definitely don't like it

Machine Learning?

You probably mean something else but that's how I read it out loud.

author=PlatinumAshes
The wagon on me is mostly because of the wagon that I pushed on Piano yesterday, Now I DID say you could kill me afterwards, so I shouldn't complain. The others who aggressively pushed on piano are confirmed, and so the full blame for the thing has now fallen entirely on me.

On this Piano wagon, there were 3 unconfirmed people: Demonlord, Emily and Fomar. Fomar was also the one who clumsily hammered Piano before he could make his final posts. If you're going to be suspicious of me for pushing a bad wagon (fair enough), then I think you should view these three in the same light. Especially Fomar.

However, I think I take the opposite view. The final scum has to survive a long time, so they might be tempted to sit the whole thing out and "wash their hands" of it, so to speak. Kittenfood, tale and Odd did this. I am more suspicious of these three. I can also see the case against Emily, her posts are too defensive and they feel off to me. The Shinan thing could have been a clever mindgame by her, too.

Odd: he has claimed a role, but we have no evidence of his claim being real. This claim is really convinient for him. He has been basically playing like a survival: barely hunting or pushing anything.

Kittenfood also plays it very safe, but their posts read townish to me on a gut level. I can't say the same for Tale, who irks me. His posts just make no sense to me. He voted for himself yesterday. It feels like he's using his noobishness as a defense. The whole "lynch me please!" thing makes me very suspicious

You left out elaborating on demon. Do you believe he isn't scum?

Also why do you believe kitten is not confirmed town?? Even after the fact that Ozzy explained to her that there was a risk of being counterclaimed if she even tried to fakeclaim doc?? I mean, we have vig, mason and on top of that "survivor" (odd, I'm still weirded out by your role title, is it "jailkeeper"???). Cops and docs are practically the "mandatory roles" of town and it'd only take her just that post to be lynched and throw the game D2 if she were scum and someone counterclaimed.

PA, you literally also tried to lynch yourself D2... =_= Shouldn't him being eager (and requested) to be lynched BEFORE you instead shows that he leans town? The only problem I can see with that is if he got lynched first and flipped town you'd be the only one in an "obstacle"...!

And re: odd, there was absolutely no reason for him to come out as anything other than vanilla, ever. He could have just continued keeping silent and said he was vanilla. There was also reason why he couldn't claim D2 as, 1) the lynch on piano piled up too quickly, 2) It would render his second shot useless.

The only time I could see his role being not detrimental is as town. Town has 1 confirmed killing role rn so if I were to accidentally target him it would nullify it. Also if we add up scum's night kill + role cop, it would negate their effects. We have not yet see the cop speak up and it seems likely that we don't have one. If we did have a cop, then that's the only instance I can see it as a scummy role. I mean, if he's scum and have a role like that, what would the 2-shot even be useful for?? Negating kitten's "protection"??? Seriously???

(And also, odd, your role mentions stopping kills as well right?)

re: tale, when scum chose shinan to NK, the other person who'd also be on the suspicious list would be him along with emily. Shinan wasn't particularly helpful and at one point I did mention we'll probably need to lynch him in the upcoming day phase but since he's already out of the picture, it gives us an incentive to lynch the other "least useful" "town" (aka least talkative one), which was tale.

You know what, it's kinda odd that given you and emily were to be next of the list to be lynched, you still don't feel particularly strong on any players. Don't you find it concerning that some in the game sren't hesitant/subtly (or even aggressively) trying to get you lynched?

Liberty did exactly that on piano and he ofc had very strong reaction towards her accusations and was sure she was scum. Now that it's almost one of you guys' turn, it's very odd that you still don't feel that strong to anyone.

And that goes to emily too! I've made pretty much my points on you - so why aren't you giving us any of your scum reads?? If you're town surely you'd feel strongly on one of the other players (and I believe it's not just me or ozzy who thinks you're scum rn) who are trying to jump on my bandwagon on you!!

damnit ozzy it's your fault you're infecting me!! xd

I don't draw any real conclusions from that Shinan kill.

It's just as likely to be Emily confusing us as someone else trying to look like Emily who is confusing us. I can't play these kinds of mindgames.

Instead, I want to lynch Emily based on her posting pattern. Basically what I said at the beginning about Liberty applies here. She's distant, cautious and apparently very concerned with self preservation.

I have a general feeling that she has no consistent positions that she's willing to stand for. Maybe I'm not reading her charitably, I could be wrong (and I was just wrong).

From what I remember she has been eyeing me since early D1 but never seriously tried to push me.

Today almost all her posts appear to be in selfdefense. Now that makes sense, given so many people said they would vote for her. But I don't see her really staking out a position on our other lynch options.

Tell me if I'm right about this.

@Ivory You're right, I was confusing Demonlord and Kittenfood in that post, thinking that he was confirmed and not Kittenfood.

So yeah Kittenfood is obviously town, and Demonlord is not confirmed.

I don't really have a read on him to be honest. He's just pretty inconspicuous. All of his posts seem like regular old Demonlord.

Maybe I should be more aware of him just because of that. This reminds me a bit of Gourd, who you kind of forget about until he stabs you in the back at the end.

Not only did she not push you, she voted for you a grand total of one time despite constantly saying that she thinks your scum. I don't know who scum is right now, but I'm almost certain they wouldn't be building up a case on emily right now and instead letting someone else such as myself do it. If I were scum, I'd probably take the safe bet and just aim for a PA kill. He was acting weird on day 1, but hes making better arguments now.

That said, I think PA is right in that we should be looking at people who aren't actively scum hunting and instead are playing more passively.

author=demonlord5000
Not only did she not push you, she voted for you a grand total of one time despite constantly saying that she thinks your scum. I don't know who scum is right now, but I'm almost certain they wouldn't be building up a case on emily right now and instead letting someone else such as myself do it. If I were scum, I'd probably take the safe bet and just aim for a PA kill. He was acting weird on day 1, but hes making better arguments now.

That said, I think PA is right in that we should be looking at people who aren't actively scum hunting and instead are playing more passively.

Which post are you referring to?

IF you mean the PA post, it's the one that says emily has been defensive and hasn't really made points on anyone. It's pretty much the same as going after someone more passive.

@Ivory Yeah I also voted for myself, but that was only to strengthen my push against piano. I was saying "okay then lynch me. But when I flip town, kill this guy!"

That was my reason to the self vote. What about tale?

If I understand it right, he thinks we're best off killing him. He's saying "no don't kill PA, kill me". I don't know how to take that. It's kind of strange.



Now LAST game, I did vote for myself with no reason other than to confuse people, and I was town. So yeah....

But that was only in my first post, Tale had been keeping this act up pretty much all game.