YOUR GAME SUCKS

author=Craze link=topic=3818.msg76307#msg76307 date=1243080499
Hey, I have a proposition for you all. I want you to make some games that aren't epic RPGs.

Please.

See, I look at released games like Illarion and I think "Well, some effort was put into this... but I'll never finish it, ever." I also know that most likely I have played the exact same 2k3 game before except with renamed skills and a different variation of the epic storyline. The fantasy epic is a tired genre that requires a developer to make content that probably 10% or less of the people who play it will ever see.

Excuse me, but while I don't necessary disagree or agree with your assessment of "epic fantasy" rpgs, you completely picked the wrong game to use as an example, out of all the games out there you could have picked. If you hadn't read it, Legends Of Illarion is based on an online community roleplaying game that I have played for years, so the whole theme and storyline and audience is mostly predetermined. Unlike 99% of rpgmaker games you are refering to, I didn't "choose" to make an epic fantasy as the theme for my desire to make an rpg game. In this case, it is the opposite, as the specific theme and story already exists in an online mulitplayer environment, and the rpgmaker is just a different medium by which I could present the culmination and history of our roleplaying and the unique features of "real" Illarion to a very specific audience. You or the game making community was not the main intended audience in mind.

While I'm not saying that the difference in origin of my game is supposed to make you want to play it, clearly you could have picked a much more generic rpgmaker game out there that actually fit the "I found rpgmaker and now I'm going to create the epic fantasy in my mind for everyone to see" description to make your argument against creating epic fantasy games for everyone.

author=Nightblade link=topic=3818.msg76352#msg76352 date=1243101700
I don't remember using the word "tweak". Excessive "use" of "quotation" "marks" is pretty bad on the "internet" it "seems".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark#Quotations_and_speech


I don't get the point of your post. I got that it's meant to be sarcastic, but what has 'remaking a game seven or eight times' got to do with anything? Sorry to pre-empt, but if you mean that making several short games = remaking the same game, it just proves my point that people don't think enough.

I'm afraid you're asking too much, Craze. See, the thing about the amateur game making community is that most of the people developing games are making the kind of game they like to play. And, unfortunately for you, a lot of them like to make epic RPGs. You can't expect people to change their tastes and preferences just because you're fed up with their favorite genre.

By that logic, EVERY game would have a larger audience if we all really are making epic RPGs because we'd like to play them. Are you following me here?

author=Max McGee link=topic=3818.msg76644#msg76644 date=1243240515

I'm afraid you're asking too much, Craze. See, the thing about the amateur game making community is that most of the people developing games are making the kind of game they like to play. And, unfortunately for you, a lot of them like to make epic RPGs. You can't expect people to change their tastes and preferences just because you're fed up with their favorite genre.

By that logic, EVERY game would have a larger audience if we all really are making epic RPGs because we'd like to play them. Are you following me here?

Well, yes, but then there's the problem where everyone is more interested in making their own game than playing others, but that's almost an entirely different subject as well.

author=Craze link=topic=3818.msg76646#msg76646 date=1243241942
but you don't have to try to make a 40-hour game with those resources

Now I think I understand Craze's complaint a little better. The way he stated it in the first post, it sounded like he was just annoyed by how many long RPGs there were that he never stood any chance of finishing, and assumed that others were the same way.

BUT, encouraging developers of RPGs to make their games shorter does make a lot of sense to me. Game making is much more complicated business than a person might initially think, and taking on a massive project like an epic RPG can result in all kinds of problems (most of which are the stigmas now associated with RM* games, especially first projects).

I still say that people should make whatever they want, but if you're new or not capable of making an epic RPG, you should consider his advice and make something shorter or easier. Save the big stuff for later!

There is nothing wrong with big breasted heroines.

author=Scribble link=topic=3818.msg76347#msg76347 date=1243100089
I'm dying to create an epic RPG, but I know that I can't just spew out my 'magnum opus' just like that. I'd rather release small, complete projects, gain criticism/feedback, and hone my craft before trying something huge.

I did the opposite: I created the epic RPG first (though when I started I had no intention of making an epically long game - scope creep killed me!), then spewed out a bunch of little games in a matter of months.

While it is admirable to try to please other people in your endevours, amateur game making should be more about doing it for yourself and your craft - "make the game you want" is a perfectly legitimate path to take. Motivation is a big issue in this community, and if you are not fully invested in your project, it probably won't get completed.

As someone who has completed a long epic game, I can safely say that if you want to try to make one, you should feel free. I have to disagree with those who stigmatize that goal. That said, you need to be realistic. You're only one person, and you can't plan for like... 80 HOURS OF GAMEPLAY, 15 BATTLE SYSTEMS, 600,000 SKILLS, 4 BILLION ITEMS, etc etc

author=Max McGee link=topic=3818.msg76731#msg76731 date=1243276647

and a lot modern, sci-fi, or other resources suck.

I call bullshit on this statement but only as applied to rm2k(3). It's still true for VX and XP. But by this point 2k(3) has GREAT futuristic resources.

I guess you are right :( I just wish people would start making modern themed games and less medieval themed games..