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CULTURE OF CRASS, APATHY AND CYNICISM
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AznChipmunk
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Closeseriously the fact that the point of reviews is to encourage or discourage people from playing a game is why a rating system exists really!
post=130782Also disagreed. Reviews are foremost for the players, detailing the positives and negatives for players to see if they want to play the game."Potential customers"? Jesus. What is this, some sort of competitive entertainment market? It's amateur video game creation for shits sake.
Have you ever been on a site like Amazon and read the reviews? Those are reviews, but they aren't for the author to improve. They are for potential customers to see if they are getting something good quality for their money. It's the same concept here. You read the review to see if you're going to get something enjoyable for the time it takes up. HOWEVER, as this is a game DESIGN site, yes, getting feedback to the author is important too, but that is secondary. First focus on presenting the truth about the game, then focus on feedback for the author.
Without question, in this community, reviews are primarily for the author of said game. Hell, most games that get reviewed aren't even complete games. This is why authors ask for reviews. Most reviewers give criticism to help them improve, which in turn help themselves improve.
It's a symbiotic relationship between the reviewer and the creator. Any third party on the outside can use the review to understand why the game is bad/good, and in turn help THEM improve with their own game-making skills.
This is a community. We're just creating things and sharing things, not trying to score a wicked Zagat rating to boost our stock options or anything.
I agree with narcodis. I think this is an example of how some people are taking this community to be more than an amateur one, which it is not. Reviews should reflect that more instead of catering to the people who have high standards on which games will grace their precious hard drives. I thought we were directing these reviews at developers, not at random internet surfers who are looking for a good free game. And AznChipmunk, I'll save you the trouble:
This is irrelevant. This has nothing to do with anything.
Darken
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I thought we were directing these reviews at developers, not at random internet surfers who are looking for a good free game.
If they weren't for random internet surfers then why are reviews publicly displayed? Like F-G said, reviews are for both parties.
I agree with F-G.
Goals of reviewers and game developers is discretionary. Trying to come up with some ridiculous, arbitrary definition for what games and reviews should focus on is pretty retarded - everyone values things differently. Just because this website focuses on 'amateur' games right now does not mean it will remain that way, much like how some guy might have bigger goals than making 'Legacies of Doodieroodie 15: The Ark of the Covenant' in RPGMaker. Additionally, a quality review is just as valuable whether or not they are doing it for the developer or the players or whatever. The best reviews satisfy both, in truth.
Summary: Stop trying to typecast what reviewers and game developers should be doing.
Goals of reviewers and game developers is discretionary. Trying to come up with some ridiculous, arbitrary definition for what games and reviews should focus on is pretty retarded - everyone values things differently. Just because this website focuses on 'amateur' games right now does not mean it will remain that way, much like how some guy might have bigger goals than making 'Legacies of Doodieroodie 15: The Ark of the Covenant' in RPGMaker. Additionally, a quality review is just as valuable whether or not they are doing it for the developer or the players or whatever. The best reviews satisfy both, in truth.
Summary: Stop trying to typecast what reviewers and game developers should be doing.
AznChipmunk
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post=130809sbesterIf they weren't for random internet surfers then why are reviews publicly displayed? Like F-G said, reviews are for both parties.
I thought we were directing these reviews at developers, not at random internet surfers who are looking for a good free game.
This is exactly my point, thank you Darken.
post=130808
This is irrelevant. This has nothing to do with anything.
welp
edit: actually no, fuck you
Nightblade
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I agree with narcodis. I think this is an example of how some people are taking this community to be more than an amateur one, which it is not.
... Let us read this out loud to ourselves to see if this makes any kind of sense at all, shall we?
I think this is an example of how some people are taking this community to be more than an amateur one, which it is not.
...
What?
Reviews should reflect that more instead of catering to the people who have high standards on which games will grace their precious hard drives. I thought we were directing these reviews at developers, not at random internet surfers who are looking for a good free game.
What the hell are you talking about? Seriously, attracting random internet surfers to the games here is how the community grows. Reviews aren't there for the sole purpose of inflating (or deflating) a developers ego, nor is it JUST done to help the author. Reviews have many purposes.
This is irrelevant. This has nothing to do with anything.
No.
post=130808
This is irrelevant. This has nothing to do with anything.
welp
edit: actually no, fuck you
Dude you've been nothing but hostile towards everyone in a number of these threads. What the hell is your problem? narcodis was making a good point and you felt you had to shut him off with that kind of bs. I'm not gonna sink to your low and use childish swearing to make a point, I just think you should know you're probably one of the reasons this thread was made in the beginning.
I really think the general direction this thread is currently heading epitomizes the attitude this thread was addressing. Someone says something that someone else finds really off-putting, and a war starts that ultimately derails the topic into oblivion.
deboo
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post=130821do you really not get what he means or are you just saying that to try and make his point look redundant?I agree with narcodis. I think this is an example of how some people are taking this community to be more than an amateur one, which it is not.... Let us read this out loud to ourselves to see if this makes any kind of sense at all, shall we?
I think this is an example of how some people are taking this community to be more than an amateur one, which it is not.
...
What?
some rpgmaker members seem to put rpgmaker, and themselves, on a pedestal over other rpgmaker forums or places - or even developers.
so much so, sometimes it's really just snobbish.
