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Nightblade
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CloseYou're right, it's like looking at a train wreck, Bare Gamer.
1 - Don't presume to know anything about me.
2 - I'm not defending murder.
3 - I'm not defending murder.
4 - I'm not defending murder.
5 - I'm not defending murder.
Easy enough, right?
What you describe as "discord" is what I describe as "change". O
Ohandthereareanumerousknockoffgroupsthatarewhollyuneffectedbythisdeathasidefromapossiblemoralehitthenagaintheymighttakesolaceinthefactthathediedabravedeathandhavetheireffortsreinvigotrated.
I don't have the answer, nor I have I ever claimed to have an answer. This doesn't mean I can't have opinions on shitty America foreign policy that perpetuate this cycle of suffering.
Generally speaking, if one of your family members or someone close to you died or was physically injured for the rest of their life due to 9/11, I'm sure you would want justice brought to Bin Laden and his affiliates. Bin Laden was a criminal mastermind and killed thousands just because he believed in an idea that he thought was okay. No one cares if it's been 10 years. Time doesn't excuse the act.
1 - Don't presume to know anything about me.
2 - I'm not defending murder.
3 - I'm not defending murder.
4 - I'm not defending murder.
5 - I'm not defending murder.
Easy enough, right?
No shit he has a successor lined up. But that says nothing about the damage, discord, and general effect that a political assassination of a leader of a terrorist organization does or does not do.
What you describe as "discord" is what I describe as "change". O
Ohandthereareanumerousknockoffgroupsthatarewhollyuneffectedbythisdeathasidefromapossiblemoralehitthenagaintheymighttakesolaceinthefactthathediedabravedeathandhavetheireffortsreinvigotrated.
I keep asking you 'What should we do' and you keep not answering, so naturally I have to go with the implication I'm getting.
I don't have the answer, nor I have I ever claimed to have an answer. This doesn't mean I can't have opinions on shitty America foreign policy that perpetuate this cycle of suffering.
Kindredz
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author=Corfaisusauthor=NatookRL gamerscore increased tenfold.
I bet the guy who shot Osama is feelin' pretty cool.
All the news covers tonight is that Osama is dead and Obama taking ownership for the act. History and sacrifice aside, it's become nothing more than copy/pasted chain letters.
Do they not define the words "Commander-in-chief" in high school anymore or are diplomas dispensed out of vending machines? Wouldn't surprise me, these days.
Commander, as in, one who issues commands. *sigh*
Intelligence comes to Obama => he decides what to do with it, when to do it, where to do it, and who acts upon it.
S. F. LaValle
1069
author=Kindredz
Commander, as in, one who issues commands. *sigh*
Intelligence comes to Obama => he decides what to do with it, when to do it, where to do it, and who acts upon it.
I wouldn't necessarily agree on that fact alone. Regardless, it's true. Obama is taking responsibility. He did receive the intelligence, he gave the order on Friday, and it was executed this morning, and he told the nation as much in his speech. He also credited the international community for their efforts.
Here's a pic of our highest officials tracking that very mission:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Obama_and_Biden_await_updates_on_bin_Laden.jpg
It's obvious that al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations live on, but as long as he lived they were much more powerful. That effect will be felt on politicians, as well. Who is to say whether the Pakistani government offered him or other terrorists safe haven, but with bin Laden dead in Pakistan and the entire international community looking at them, they certainly won't have anything to offer terrorists now.
The last 10 years hasn't been the search for one man. Thousands of terrorists and al-Qaeda leaders have been captured or killed. I am also disgusted by the number of civilian casualties (as well as friendly fire casualties currently occuring in Libya), but this is part of why the cycle of terror and anti-terror will never end. Terrorists hide among innocent civilians on purpose, so that collateral damage will occur, and they can use the outrage to recruit new members and re-affirm their stance against us.
Nonetheless, Osama bin Laden was evil, and I genuinely feel the world is a better place for his death.
author=narcodisauthor=Cosmic_SeaTaking out the leader of one of the worlds most violent terrorist organizations is meaningless, huh? Easy to say it has no real meaning if you weren't affected by it in the least bit. Furthermore, I feel like this is something America can unite behind during such a long dreadful era of pessimism and despair. They haven't shown his body, but ffs, it's been less than 24 hours since it happened. I don't think the first thing they want to do is parade the image of a carcass all over the country.author=narcodisA purely symbolic gesture with no real meaning.author=Cosmic_SeaIt also means justice and retribution for thousands upon thousands of families whose lives have been crushed by this man's actions at long last. Don't think that because you weren't personally affected that it doesn't matter.
To reiterate my point Bin Laden's deaths means nothing more than a jump in the sales of "Yes We Can" T-shirts.
What would be real retribution and justice if the government came about the 9/11
commission report which has more holes in it than a block of swiss cheese caught in a drive by.
The planes fire melting the support beams even though jet fuel does not burn nearly high enough to ever melt those structures, how they downplay the money angle, when you must consider that the money is probably the most important part.
Saying whoever bought and paid for that action is like saying endorsement deals and sponsorship dollars don't mean a thing to NASCAR, maybe the government is afraid that *possibly* might lead back to the government.
aside from all that, did they show his body?
I don't watch the news,. i read the newspapers but i haven't got the recent issues.
I know they showed Saddam's body.
and his execution, i remember watching that, and i remember how every joe-patriot who has so many American Flags all over his car and he can't even see out of window and mows over pedestrians every day on his to the shit-hole factory job, because he loves America so much would circle jerk to it with all his Toby keith look alike Klan buddies.
Oh, also
9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB, I RESEARCHED IT ON YOUTUBE
Do people really believe 9/11 was an inside job still? Seriously? To counter your one point of physical evidence, jet fuel doesn't burn at a high enough temperature to melt those buildings, but the buildings lose structural cohesion at a temperature way below their melting point. Every single piece of every conspiracy theory you've heard about 9/11 has been disproven. Have you read the 9/11 comission? Have you actually looked at all into the facts, other than what's been spoon-fed to you by Zeitgeist, Loose Change, etc? Seriously. Google "debunk 9/11 conspiracies", and tell me you don't find a million different cold hard facts that completely tear apart your boogeyman.
Fucking crawl out of your hole you sheltered juvenile. Fuck.
i have seen zeitgeist, thought it was stupid and painted a sensationalized spin on things that could otherwise be talked about logically.
i never said anything about 9/11 conspiracy theories.
I said possibly meaning, well i am pretty you know what possibly means.
My take on is that terrorists did pull off 9/11 but not because they hate our freedoms but because of something the CIA calls "blowback."
Which is defined as "the unintended consequences of military intervention"
or in laymans terms, if you strap on a gun and go strutting around some other mans country you better be ready for some action jack.
Taking out the "most powerful" terrorist in the word does mean nothing, because there always be a bigger badder bogeyman to replace whoever was just vanquished.
When we took out Hitler did that stop genocides?
nope.
When the Roman Empire fell did that mean an end to Imperialism?
nope.
when the Soviet Union fell apart did that mean an end to communism?
nope.
When we freed the slaves did that mean an end to racial bigotry?
nope.
When we ousted Saddam did it mean an end to oppressive dictators?
nope.
Did it restore stability to Iraq?
nope. if anything it made it worse.
When we ousted the Taliban in Afghanistan did it restore peace and prosperity?
nope.
When we declared "War on drugs" did it end drug abuse?
nope.
When...i think i have currently run out of "whens"
author=The_Mad_Poetauthor=Cosmic_SeaI'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you have some derangement/fixative issues of your own to work out there, buddy.
I know they showed Saddam's body.
and his execution, i remember watching that, and i remember how every joe-patriot who has so many American Flags all over his car and he can't even see out of window and mows over pedestrians every day on his to the shit-hole factory job, because he loves America so much would circle jerk to it with all his Toby keith look alike Klan buddies.
nahh, i just have a muse for description. I could say the same level of stuff about cultured liberals, i won't but the ability does exist lol.
When we took out Hitler did that stop genocides?
Did it stop the Holocaust? Yep.
we freed the slaves did that mean an end to racial bigotry?
Did that mean an end to slavery? Yep.
When we ousted Saddam did it mean an end to oppressive dictators?
Did it mean an end to that specific oppressive dictator, therefore making someone's lives better for at least a while? Yep.
When we ousted the Taliban in Afghanistan did it restore peace and prosperity?
Did it remove 'getting fucked up by the Taliban' on the list of things to worry about every day for people living there? Yep (more or less)
When we declared "War on drugs" did it end drug abuse?
Is it helping someone, somewhere? Yep.
Sorry Cosmic, your post was pretty dumb!
Dyhalto
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Judging by the amount of people's blind faith in the establishment, it looks like we're going to have to be put through much, much more grueling times.
They hate us for our freedoms? WMDs in Iraq? Mission accomplished? Too big to fail? I smoked but I didn't inhale? I did not have sex with that woman? Lesson unlearnt.
This is just history repeating itself. Times are good, everybody is happy. Times go sour, the ruling class moves to protect it's wealth by utilizing government corruption to implement an authoritarian regime. The patricians have always been very well organized while the plebians have always been easily placated by bread and games.
I, personally, liken the modern bread and games analogy to Food Stamps and UFC.
They hate us for our freedoms? WMDs in Iraq? Mission accomplished? Too big to fail? I smoked but I didn't inhale? I did not have sex with that woman? Lesson unlearnt.
This is just history repeating itself. Times are good, everybody is happy. Times go sour, the ruling class moves to protect it's wealth by utilizing government corruption to implement an authoritarian regime. The patricians have always been very well organized while the plebians have always been easily placated by bread and games.
I, personally, liken the modern bread and games analogy to Food Stamps and UFC.
I believe the expression is "bread and circuses" which is clearly the more awesome way of describing it.
I certainly don't have blind faith in the establishment (the government has done/done fucked up shady shit), but to go as far as saying/implying that "Yeah that Osama guy wasn't too bad shame on America for offing him" is hilariously terrible.
Also if you pay attention to the news, there's very little well organized about our patricians. The vast majority of them are literally stupid old men with the right strings in their hands. Most of the corruption in government boils down to human nature itself.
Also if you pay attention to the news, there's very little well organized about our patricians. The vast majority of them are literally stupid old men with the right strings in their hands. Most of the corruption in government boils down to human nature itself.
Dyhalto
7536
I never implied that Osama "wasn't too bad". I really don't have an opinion of him to be honest. I don't know the guy, and I don't believe he was involved in 9/11.
I pay VERY close attention to the news, thank you. Following global geopolitics is a hobby of mine and when I start producing games, you'll see that hobby carry over into this one.
Oh, and our patricians are extremely clever. I'm not talking about the various elected nitwits who are cogs in the legislative system. I refer to global corporations and the lobbyists that permeate the capitals of every major nation in the world, as well as the private banks that sponsor and endorse monopolies.
I pay VERY close attention to the news, thank you. Following global geopolitics is a hobby of mine and when I start producing games, you'll see that hobby carry over into this one.
Oh, and our patricians are extremely clever. I'm not talking about the various elected nitwits who are cogs in the legislative system. I refer to global corporations and the lobbyists that permeate the capitals of every major nation in the world, as well as the private banks that sponsor and endorse monopolies.
author=Dyhalto
I never implied that Osama "wasn't too bad". I really don't have an opinion of him to be honest. I don't know the guy, and I don't believe he was involved in 9/11.
That's just silly.
Dyhalto
7536
Why's that?
The CIA said he masterminded it.
They also said Saddam Hussein had WMDs.
I'm familiar with the concept of The Big Lie, so I'm not going to be jumping to any conclusions. It's not like I'm a jury member at Osama's trial anyway. My opinion doesn't matter.
The CIA said he masterminded it.
They also said Saddam Hussein had WMDs.
I'm familiar with the concept of The Big Lie, so I'm not going to be jumping to any conclusions. It's not like I'm a jury member at Osama's trial anyway. My opinion doesn't matter.
Keep in mind Osama claimed responsibility for the attacks. You can say that "WELL THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE DID IT" but its not like its the government's words versus ours.
And also the attitude that 'everything the government says is a lie' is almost, almost as foolish as the opposite mentality.
And also the attitude that 'everything the government says is a lie' is almost, almost as foolish as the opposite mentality.
Dyhalto
7536
You're oversimplifying me a bit.
It's not that "everything the government says is a lie" so much as "the government has an agenda". Or the people operating the government have an agenda, anyhow.
It's not that "everything the government says is a lie" so much as "the government has an agenda". Or the people operating the government have an agenda, anyhow.
author=Dyhalto
Judging by the amount of people's blind faith in the establishment, it looks like we're going to have to be put through much, much more grueling times.
They hate us for our freedoms? WMDs in Iraq? Mission accomplished? Too big to fail? I smoked but I didn't inhale? I did not have sex with that woman? Lesson unlearnt.
This is just history repeating itself. Times are good, everybody is happy. Times go sour, the ruling class moves to protect it's wealth by utilizing government corruption to implement an authoritarian regime. The patricians have always been very well organized while the plebians have always been easily placated by bread and games.
I, personally, liken the modern bread and games analogy to Food Stamps and UFC.
all hail emperor dyhalto,
lord of the computer chair,
as he looks upon us mere mortals
with pity and despair
he preaches and preaches,
but no one seems to listen,
"They just don't understand." he says,
as he eats tasty fried chicken.
as dyhalto types pretentious garbage,
everyone remember this:
dyhalto has no friends,
so please,
give him my best.
author=Feldschlacht IV
Also if you pay attention to the news, there's very little well organized about our patricians. The vast majority of them are literally stupid old men with the right strings in their hands. Most of the corruption in government boils down to human nature itself.
Not nearly as unorganized as you think. Look at the 2010 midterms, the Democrats put in a token effort while the GOP knew it was time to take some power and now you have state legislator across the country pushing similar bills trying to shut down unions who are the only competitive big donors for the Democrat party (among other goals).
A Wisconsin professor mentions ALEC in his blog and in two weeks Republicans are breathing down his neck. ALEC being one of the tools to share legislator between Republicans, something they want to keep hush-hush.
*edit*
Not that the Democrats can't organize. Just look at when the Democrats got the Republicans to defeat their own budget bill.
Oh of course, stuff like that. Political power plays are something everyone knows the government and its members are capable of. What I'm referring to is Deus Ex-esque level of universal conspiracy type stuff. Yeah, the government hides a lot of shit from us and gets away with a lot of shit, but they're equally as bumbling and incompetent as well.
Dyhalto
7536
Karsuman pointed out to me that I was being a holier-than-thou prick, so I'll lay off. Sorry about that.
But I just want to point out that if you think American politics is a random chaos of greed and incompetence, you're only partially right. There is a huge amount of "Deus Ex-esque level" type of coordinated conspiracy going on.
The Federal Reserve, for example.
But I just want to point out that if you think American politics is a random chaos of greed and incompetence, you're only partially right. There is a huge amount of "Deus Ex-esque level" type of coordinated conspiracy going on.
The Federal Reserve, for example.
