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author=Max McGee
this is in many ways the climax of one leg of the game's story
author=Feldschlacht IV
On the latter, Xenogears pulled it the best, I think. Fei and Elly, in the late stages of the game, are more or less a newly established couple. Elly, already fighting alongside the party and being in danger every step along the way, wants to go along with the party to a particularly dangerous mission.
Fei, for reasons that are proved later on in the game, disagrees because it's far to dangerous for her in particular and wants her to stay behind. Elly, pissed off at the sudden 'no stay here' attitude from Fei, gets angry and asks why, Fei blows up in front of her and everyone else and tells her she'd just get in the way. Elly runs off crying. Pushed along by the party members, Fei is told by everyone to man up, apologize, and tell her straight up how everyone knows they both feel.
He goes into her room, they have a heart to heart, they lean in to kiss, screen fades out. Fei wakes up in the morning going out the door to his mission, Elly is behind in bed covered up, and she wishes him luck and goodbye.
Xenogears has a very well written love story, I think, and the first time sex between the two lovers is a natural feeling cumulation to a whole games worth of building of two lovers feelings. It's not cheesy, flashy, or in your face. It just happens. These two people like each other, they like each other even more, they eventually sleep together, now let's move on with the plot.
Pretty much this is a nutshell.
Despite this, sex has been a touchy subject for me because I simply don't agree with the motives some people put behind having it, and because I find such reasons deplorable.
The kind of sexual content I find acceptable and even empowering to the story and media it's used in is pretty much what Feld said above. It's the relevance and context it has to the story and the characters that makes it not only a good thing in terms of character development but a good thing because it's clean, not baseless and animalistic let's-just-fuck-for-fuck's-sake-because-were-animals-and-it's-natural sex. This is also my stance on sex irl.
Basically if there is a true reason behind it, which makes it relevant, then it's both okay and a good thing.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
So guys how about that scene in the Honeybee Inn in Wall Market
Though I'm not surprised with what you guys are saying, I think it's a little weird.
Graphical sex in a high-resolution realistic game would be too disturbing, but 2D low res sprite sex is ridiculous and laughable. Why? What's there to laugh about it, really? Why can people take 2D bloody gore violence seriously, but not sex? I mean, it doesn't even need to be taken seriously, but why is it funny?
I have to confess, Max's post was pretty shocking to me.
So if you can see it it's dumb and funny, but if you can't, it's dead serious?
And no, I'm not twisting what you said, because that's basically the idea in pretty much every post of this topic so far. Xenogears handles sex very well because there's a well-written love story and you can't see anything? Does sex need to have a deep love story background to be well written?
I will not defend that sex "adds maturity and depth" to games, or that it should be serious or anything. But what I see right now are lots opinions hiding puritanism.
Graphical sex in a high-resolution realistic game would be too disturbing, but 2D low res sprite sex is ridiculous and laughable. Why? What's there to laugh about it, really? Why can people take 2D bloody gore violence seriously, but not sex? I mean, it doesn't even need to be taken seriously, but why is it funny?
I have to confess, Max's post was pretty shocking to me.
Max
this dumb animated pixel sex of some rtp chick going down on some rtp dude, essentially. and it's played for laughs
Max
but this one is deadly serious. nothing is showed and you're just uncomfortably 'in the dark'
So if you can see it it's dumb and funny, but if you can't, it's dead serious?
And no, I'm not twisting what you said, because that's basically the idea in pretty much every post of this topic so far. Xenogears handles sex very well because there's a well-written love story and you can't see anything? Does sex need to have a deep love story background to be well written?
I will not defend that sex "adds maturity and depth" to games, or that it should be serious or anything. But what I see right now are lots opinions hiding puritanism.
author=calunio
So if you can see it it's dumb and funny, but if you can't, it's dead serious?
And no, I'm not twisting what you said, because that's basically the idea in pretty much every post of this topic so far. Xenogears handles sex very well because there's a well-written love story and you can't see anything? Does sex need to have a deep love story background to be well written?
I will not defend that sex "adds maturity and depth" to games, or that it should be serious or anything. But what I see right now are lots opinions hiding puritanism.
I don't think I'm hiding anything.
Personally, I wouldn't laugh at a sex scene if showed what was happening, but at the same time I don't think it should show things like actual penetration because such acts should be a personal, intimate experience between it's participates. Not to mention that would pretty much be porn (which is entertainment, not art).
Literal intercourse that viewers don't see is acceptable, because otherwise it would be pornography.
I've written sexual themed scenes before, but never an outright sex scene--where two characters are vividly having sex--because, personally, I don't think it should be shown for the reason I stated above.
author=Mitsuhide_The_Vagrantauthor=calunioI totally agree to that. Even in movies, the better ones, the sexual act itself is not seen (a unique experience, because and between two unique beings cannot be shared; not seen, each spectator refers to his(her) own experience,and that makes the scene all the "stronger".
I don't think it should show things like actual penetration because such acts should be a personal, intimate experience between it's participates.
This said,I was struck (a little less now??) at one point, by the fact that nearly 100% of rpgs did not even ALLUDE to sex verbally or graphically, and that hit me as an expression of extreme and exasperating puritanism.
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author=chanaauthor=Mitsuhide_The_Vagrantauthor=calunioI totally agree to that. Even in movies, the better ones, the sexual act itself is not seen (a unique experience, because and between two unique beings cannot be shared; not seen, each spectator refers to his(her) own experience,and that makes the scene all the "stronger".
I don't think it should show things like actual penetration because such acts should be a personal, intimate experience between it's participates.
This said,I was struck (a little less now??) at one point, by the fact that nearly 100% of rpgs did not even ALLUDE to sex verbally or graphically, and that hit me as an expression of extreme and exasperating puritanism.
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I don't understand what you both are trying to say. Are you saying that that is a bad thing?
Myself and other writers/game designers can only speak for themselves when they create something the way they do.
author=calunio
I'm not trying to point right and wrong. I just want to know what people think.
Well, I've already stated what I think, and I don't think I'm hiding anything at all. I stated in prior posts what I think about sex and how it is represented in media and why I look at it the way I do. So there you go.
It's everyone else's turn to answer now.
Not interesting, and eventually unpleasant. This said there could be remarkable artists that manage it (probably very difficult).
So if you can see it it's dumb and funny, but if you can't, it's dead serious?
Only in 2D games with 16x18 sprites with
Additionally, in my game specifically the explicit sex is a pornographic video triggered by using a joke easter egg item. Whereas the non-shown sex is a pivotal story reveal. Which contributes at least as much to the 'dumb&funny/dead serious' dichotomy as the fact that one is explicit and the other is non-explicit.
Edit:
Almost everyone here is way more of a prude than me, it seems, except calunio who is obviously way far on the other side of the equation.
LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
5958
author=Max McGee
Some media just aren't conducive to non-comedic explicit sex scenes. Like...puppets, and RPG Maker sprites.
This made me laugh pretty hard. It's also extremely true, and a very good comparison.
Nobody should put any kind of sex into a video gam. Everybody who does so is a sick human being and should burn in hell for that! >:-O
Darken
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@F-G:
I think it just implied that you were into low res hentai or something... so it felt awkward. Man didn't we have this topic before? I remember these exact issues being brought up somewhere in the past. not that'd i want to go all: "we done this before lock plz" to crash the party or anything.
I think it just implied that you were into low res hentai or something... so it felt awkward. Man didn't we have this topic before? I remember these exact issues being brought up somewhere in the past. not that'd i want to go all: "we done this before lock plz" to crash the party or anything.
