author=suzy_cheesedreams
I don't see the constructive point in doing it this way, though, as it's ultimately detrimental to yourself.

Also speaking from experience, if you're leaving you don't give a shit about how you present yourself to the community anymore. Also there's no really good way to leave, the forum aint gonna change for big names it aint gonna change at all, when I say big names I don't mean me, most of my games were lucky to get 100 profile views if even that.

And the site does unfairly circlejerk games and I don't think anyone really denies that at this point. I was aware and pretty much complacent with it from the beginning because that's sadly just how the world works, I mean one of the RMN taglines, 'come for the recognition, realize you'll never attain it'.

And PentagonBuddy said it best, 'You're better off complaining about it elsewhere.', yeah, because no one here listens at all. I sure fucking didn't and shitty posts like this:

This proves that you're just an attention whore.

Outline exactly why.

Like I was called an attention whore too and I didn't hold a candle to this games ratings, by Kau, by Mawk, basically idiots who actually didn't make games and had no place talking shit in the first place.

If there's any one insult this forum loves to throw around its this one, and it's hypocritical because rpgmakernetwork is first and foremost a game publishing archive, it's purpose is just that, to get attention for your games. I always ignored these posts because in virtually every case I remember the people making them had little to zero makerscore, i.e., they had no experience and didn't know what effort it was to make a game just to have no one react to it, I faced issues not with the content of my feedback, but the lack thereof, which is why i think i enjoyed the screenshot and whatchu working on threads so much

as for corfaisus i assumed he left, that said i didn't have a lot to go on, was searching through his post feed for something, anything that could help me locate him, maybe i'll just google search and see how that goes

i dont even know luchino well and we rarely spoke so I've no interest in defending her or her game, and i don't really care about this sites take on circlejerking anymore since i don't have to be around to acknowledge it, i feel its kinda hopeless to try and abate that it happens though
literally every time i checked the front page pom was there, and usually some other big names too

this site does cater to big content, start-outs are basically listless unless they manage to catch the attention of someone in a position of power, i.e. have the admins like you or you may as well just give up, that's a bad system and it is a circle-jerk. there's literally no backpedaling out of it the proof is there blinding as day

I'm a jerk sometimes, I'm not gonna deny it, but I'm good at what I do, I've had real life entrepreneurs ask why I'm not charging for these things?? I've had live people play and enjoy the dickens out of my games, I've had a public showcase to affirm that my games were pretty damn good.

i got more views and feedback out of one night at a student showcase (that I sorta wasn't meant to have a table at but i managed to anyway!) than I ever did on my game pages, and I'm sure other minors around here who haven't gone and established favor with the moderation team may have similar stories, I know I'm not alone in feeling this way, and of course the admins and mods are gonna downplay these claims because they're the ones who suffer if they have a chance to come to light.

in other words yeah, if your looking for a fair distribution platform you can do lot better than RMN, but you can also do a lot worse. Personally I'd recomend Itch.io or IndieDB.

I'm happy for people to have success, I never chastised anyone else for having a bigger following than I, Luchino has shown herself talented from what I can tell. But it feels like you're fighting a losing battle gaining prominence here because the prominency (i made up this word just now) is already basically set.

The admin team will say otherwise because they're the ones who allowed it to become that way in the first place.

A person's talent in game design should not be brought down by their social status or standing with high ranking board members. It's unprofessional to be biased about it like that, but that's exactly what happens here.

Tell me when someone who has a bad public record on the forums has a high rating game on the front page for more than the two seconds it takes to be buried by bumps and systematic upmoves/bumps from people with big games.

Once you gain popularity here you basically have a hard time losing it because every time someone does something on your page you get bumped, every time a response or review is offered, you get bumped, on this forum it's sort of like the veteran privelege, and if some people dont like you, well good luck ever making it here, because this place has the biggest emphasis on circlejerking there is, I'm not talking friends coming to check it out I'm talking the fact that popularity and marketing is mostly done for you once you get big.

Thats the reason a lot of people get nasty about games that do well here, personally I don't have problems with the games, just the systems that publicize them

firstly its unfair on newer starters because they fight a war they cant win, there's no 'equal opportunity' and thats a fucking lie on this forum.

Secondly its unfair on devs of the bigger games because they're getting personal attacks which stems from jealousy, which isn't entirely their fault.

Anyway, I hope you're all real proud of yourselves.

author=Pepsidoe

author=suzy_cheesedreams
I don't see the constructive point in doing it this way, though, as it's ultimately detrimental to yourself.

Also speaking from experience, if you're leaving you don't give a shit about how you present yourself to the community anymore. Also there's no really good way to leave, the forum aint gonna change for big names it aint gonna change at all, when I say big names I don't mean me, most of my games were lucky to get 100 profile views if even that.

And the site does unfairly circlejerk games and I don't think anyone really denies that at this point. I was aware and pretty much complacent with it from the beginning because that's sadly just how the world works, I mean one of the RMN taglines, 'come for the recognition, realize you'll never attain it'.

And PentagonBuddy said it best, 'You're better off complaining about it elsewhere.', yeah, because no one here listens at all. I sure fucking didn't and shitty posts like this:

This proves that you're just an attention whore.

Outline exactly why.

Like I was called an attention whore too and I didn't hold a candle to this games ratings, by Kau, by Mawk, basically idiots who actually didn't make games and had no place talking shit in the first place.

If there's any one insult this forum loves to throw around its this one, and it's hypocritical because rpgmakernetwork is first and foremost a game publishing archive, it's purpose is just that, to get attention for your games. I always ignored these posts because in virtually every case I remember the people making them had little to zero makerscore, i.e., they had no experience and didn't know what effort it was to make a game just to have no one react to it, I faced issues not with the content of my feedback, but the lack thereof, which is why i think i enjoyed the screenshot and whatchu working on threads so much

as for corfaisus i assumed he left, that said i didn't have a lot to go on, was searching through his post feed for something, anything that could help me locate him, maybe i'll just google search and see how that goes

i dont even know luchino well and we rarely spoke so I've no interest in defending her or her game, and i don't really care about this sites take on circlejerking anymore since i don't have to be around to acknowledge it, i feel its kinda hopeless to try and abate that it happens though
literally every time i checked the front page pom was there, and usually some other big names too

this site does cater to big content, start-outs are basically listless unless they manage to catch the attention of someone in a position of power, i.e. have the admins like you or you may as well just give up, that's a bad system and it is a circle-jerk. there's literally no backpedaling out of it the proof is there blinding as day

I'm a jerk sometimes, I'm not gonna deny it, but I'm good at what I do, I've had real life entrepreneurs ask why I'm not charging for these things?? I've had live people play and enjoy the dickens out of my games, I've had a public showcase to affirm that my games were pretty damn good.

i got more views and feedback out of one night at a student showcase (that I sorta wasn't meant to have a table at but i managed to anyway!) than I ever did on my game pages, and I'm sure other minors around here who haven't gone and established favor with the moderation team may have similar stories, I know I'm not alone in feeling this way, and of course the admins and mods are gonna downplay these claims because they're the ones who suffer if they have a chance to come to light.

in other words yeah, if your looking for a fair distribution platform you can do lot better than RMN, but you can also do a lot worse. Personally I'd recomend Itch.io or IndieDB.

I'm happy for people to have success, I never chastised anyone else for having a bigger following than I, Luchino has shown herself talented from what I can tell. But it feels like you're fighting a losing battle gaining prominence here because the prominency (i made up this word just now) is already basically set.

The admin team will say otherwise because they're the ones who allowed it to become that way in the first place.

A person's talent in game design should not be brought down by their social status or standing with high ranking board members. It's unprofessional to be biased about it like that, but that's exactly what happens here.

Tell me when someone who has a bad public record on the forums has a high rating game on the front page for more than the two seconds it takes to be buried by bumps and systematic upmoves/bumps from people with big games.

Once you gain popularity here you basically have a hard time losing it because every time someone does something on your page you get bumped, every time a response or review is offered, you get bumped, on this forum it's sort of like the veteran privelege, and if some people dont like you, well good luck ever making it here, because this place has the biggest emphasis on circlejerking there is, I'm not talking friends coming to check it out I'm talking the fact that popularity and marketing is mostly done for you once you get big.

Thats the reason a lot of people get nasty about games that do well here, personally I don't have problems with the games, just the systems that publicize them

firstly its unfair on newer starters because they fight a war they cant win, there's no 'equal opportunity' and thats a fucking lie on this forum.

Secondly its unfair on devs of the bigger games because they're getting personal attacks which stems from jealousy, which isn't entirely their fault.

Anyway, I hope you're all real proud of yourselves.

I respectfully disagree.

Nobody here is truly toxic here, otherwise there'd be a shit ton of infighting(there isn't). It's hot oil and water honestly: some folks can't work together, and it can get malicious between them in some of the worst cases; but it doesn't mean they're malicious in general. That's human: It'd be scarier if were a 100% cooperation rate amongst us; it's an inevitable occurrence to come across a person you can't cooperate with. Even more natural for it to happen in an insular niche community as this one, as the variance in personalities is smaller. Blaming the Boogeyman of toxicity only serves to stir the pot, and serves to form actual divisive and toxic attitudes towards hashing out your grievances with others to the point of irreconcilability. Naturally you can take this with a grain of salt *points at makerscore* I say this all with more forum/interpersonal experience as opposed to RM community experience.

Luchino and thine-self have my sincere best wishes on you alls' respective endeavors. And if either of you were to return I can at least guarantee that I'd try to come to a mutual understanding to with whatever grievances you got with me(if there are any... I haven't really interacted with either Luchi or you, not that I know of :p).


NINJA EDIT: I was going to originally have your post quote as a *snip* but it appears you've made a more caustic edit to your post, so I copied the previous post in full. I still stand by this post 100%, with this addendum:
I think it's very unfair and disingenuous to call a userbase toxic and imply it's hostille/antagonistic, and to lambast such things while having a hostile, antagonistic tone and implications in said post. You are only making the spilt milk sourer... why not help clean it up? If you didn't care about this community, you wouldn't have posted anything.

EDIT2:anybody not getting feedback or popularity here would not have their problem assuaged by to indiedb or itch. If anything, it'd only get lost in a sea of vaporware and not so geat RM games.I guess itch is the lesser of two evils because you can buy commercial games right on the site, but indiedb has no such saving grace. It'd be better to use gamejolt while linking your own site(if feasible) and social media like youtube,facebook,twitter etc. for project updates. I feel bad because I actually suggested the former two to Luchi(?) without realizing how 'Eeccchhhh' they are.

I just can't take BM's words here seriously at all, though, as he's been a major source of toxicity wherever he goes, evident by the fact that he's been banned from several major sites including this one.

When multiple sites ban you for your behavior, then maybe that's an indicator that you're doing something way wrong. BM talks like he's moved on from this behavior, but the very fact he's ban-evading just to ramble some more proves otherwise.

luchino
while the circle-jerkers stuff keep rising to the top ( hint: two of them have already posted in this thread ).

Comments like these happen WAY too much lately.

I have yet to see a goodbye blog in the past few months on this site that wasn't extremely misguided. If you're so fed up with this place. PM your friends to contact you somewhere else and just simply leave.

Is there any reason for this to be public? I personally know of a reason: To warn others of said venom and circle-jerking. Yet, everything you or any other of the giant "fuck you rmn" blogs I've seen in the past few months were so painstakingly vague about everything. Being so vague leads me to believe that you just want to stir up drama.

You're fed up of circle-jerking and that TWO of the worst offenders are in this thread posting? Yet, you talk about it like it's an inside joke amongst friends. I have no idea who you're talking about. Most people who will read this has no idea who you're talking about. I'm going to take a wild guess and that your friends, former friends, and the people you're targeting DO understand who you're talking about. I don't know about others, but to me this seems rather hypocritical.

If saying their names is something you'd rather not do, then maybe you should not be making these posts at all, because this is only making yourself and your game look bad.

To quote my boy Dalph:
"I can't believe what I'm reading here, I rolled my eyes so much that they're now at the back of my head."

I don't understand why this became kind of a "let's find the culprit" game.

I just think everyone should try moving on, leave the subject, talking seems to not doing any difference, doesn't seem to change anyone's mindset or anything. Some things to consider I think, play more games, leave the Welp-welp to die xD, continue mak mor gams, and... never rely just on a site to magically skyrocket you to the sky.

I don't know, please don't hate me. Love you guys and gals.

author=orochii
I don't understand why this became kind of a "let's find the culprit" game.

I just think everyone should try moving on, leave the subject, talking seems to not doing any difference, doesn't seem to change anyone's mindset or anything. Some things to consider I think, play more games, leave the Welp-welp to die xD, continue mak mor gams, and... never rely just on a site to magically skyrocket you to the sky.

I don't know, please don't hate me. Love you guys and gals.

It's obvious who the culprit is. Luchi himself.

Yes, he did awesome work on the game. But his attitude is garbage and his self-esteem is worse. My games tend to (rightly) get criticism. I was once told to edit the font. I edited, and edited. Sorry, but I like gradient text, solid color looks too hard. Look at the end of the day, you either accept or reject criticism. I accepted it, until I was like "nuh, no more editing to people who like solid text."

You don't fall to pieces and run off because people don't pay enough attention. Nor anything vinedrai said (redoing tilesets, flaking out on the actual story, complaining that you are "too serious" for everyone else).

That's emo behavior.