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author=rcholbert
If anyone prefers to continue the Magi debate, please feel free to do so elsewhere (such as Meridian Dance).

Except debating this elsewhere would lead to absolutely nothing.

Just a question...
Please tell me, why is it that whenever I look at the front page I see your game in the lastest games to play list?
Do you reupload it constantly just so it stays there?

Because I swear, it is ALWAYS there, ALWAYS.

author=Link_2112

author=DE
Your forgot to include arguments in your post. Why does it make perfect sense? Because it's used in FF11? Yeah, great argument.

heh Well lets take a look back at your stellar arguments against this sleep/poison combo, shall we?

author=DE
Wait, wait, wait... you have to POISON YOURSELF so that you automatically wake up from a sleep spell? This is the dumbest idea for a spell combo I've ever heard.

author=DE
It's dumb because it's illogical, it's counter-intuitive, and it makes no sense - try taking a lethal poison and a sleeping pill at the same time, let's see if you'll magically wake up when the poison starts to take effect in time to take an antidote.

I never stated that general logic has no place in a video game. Of course most things should be fairly logical. I was just commenting on the analogy used and how your using logic of human physiology to discredit a magical phenomenon in a video game(I guess I should have been more specific last time, huh?). Comparing a sleep spell in a game to taking a sleeping pill in real life makes no sense and it seems like that is your main reason for thinking the sleep/poison combo is a bad idea. If you have any further arguments as to why the combo is a bad idea you can direct them to this brick wall of anti-climbing paint

http://rpgmaker.net/der

I don't plan on debating this as it is pointless. I will explain why the strategy worked in ffxi though. There are some special fights where 3 people can fight really strong enemies where every turn counts. Some of them will constantly put the whole party to sleep. The tank will get hit and woken up and could try and remove sleep on the others, wasting turns. Or you could use a poison potion to induce poison before the fight. Then every party member will wake up automatically and victory ensues. It makes sense because you are using in-game rules and status effects to your advantage.

*also, I just want to say, I'm not supporting the OP and his idea in any way. xD

Ok, let me put it some other way, what exactly will come to the mind of the player when he sees all of his party asleep?
"my, perhaps i will have to poison myself to be rid of this horrible curse"?
or...
"my, why is my whole party asleep? this has to be a joke? how am i supposed to defeat him?"*scours internet searching for solution after thinking about solutions himself*

Sure, some people will think about doing the dumbest thing and inflict themselves with an handicap to counter some other handicap, but most will just gaze at the screen, watching as they lose complete control over the game because the only solution to this problem is a ridiculously counter-intuitive one.
FF11 doing it does not equal "oh this is a perfectly good mechanic that makes perfect sense!" I'd say it's quite the opposite and that the creators of FF11 never intended it to go that way and that it's simply that some random player saw "hey poison does damage and damage wakes you up!!" and then he told everyone about it. Within the game rules or not doesn't matter, this is completely counter-intuitive and I can't stress that enough, in fact I will stress it further;
it is counter-intuitive
it is counter-intuitive
it is counter-intuitive
it is counter-intuitive
it is counter-intuitive

Think about it, please, think about it.