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I think part of most people's reaction can be explained because you're so appreciated in this community (with good reason). I was so impressed by your games that I decided to translate one and well, you don't read everything on the private forum but I have a very good opinion of you which is why when I read the whole donation thing I was like WTF! Reading the whole side of your story did put things into perspective however (information I did not have when I watched your video and read your blog).
I respect your decision but in the future I think that if you decide to invest money in a free game you should accept that you might never see the color of that money again and take responsability for making that decision (unless you're intend to go full commercial with everything that implies).
I respect your decision but in the future I think that if you decide to invest money in a free game you should accept that you might never see the color of that money again and take responsability for making that decision (unless you're intend to go full commercial with everything that implies).
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Alright, well I can't add anything further to both your and Clyve's statement, you have the right to find what I think about this ridiculous.
I'm telling you that from experience people care as to how their creations are used. You're telling me that you don't think so based on your impression and then playing the ridicule card to back up your argument. It might convince others, but it certainly doesn't convince me.
If people care as to how their contributions are used, whether you think it's ridiculous or not is beside the point and completely irrelevant. They created something and they have the right to decide how it is used. You would react the exact same way.
Either way, YDS will do as she sees fit and she probably couldn't care less about my opinion. Is it somewhat heartening to read that she merely wants to make up for her investment in the game. Is she was accepting donations for the art only, I would have no qualm with it. But the game doesn't only involve the art she paid for and that's the problem.
I'm telling you that from experience people care as to how their creations are used. You're telling me that you don't think so based on your impression and then playing the ridicule card to back up your argument. It might convince others, but it certainly doesn't convince me.
If people care as to how their contributions are used, whether you think it's ridiculous or not is beside the point and completely irrelevant. They created something and they have the right to decide how it is used. You would react the exact same way.
Either way, YDS will do as she sees fit and she probably couldn't care less about my opinion. Is it somewhat heartening to read that she merely wants to make up for her investment in the game. Is she was accepting donations for the art only, I would have no qualm with it. But the game doesn't only involve the art she paid for and that's the problem.
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@Night:
I can tell you for a fact that most people care *a lot* about how their creations are used, especially for financial reasons.
I understand you would have this impression (I had the same) but experience has proven to me that people *do* care.
@Calunio: I would contact YDS first. If she agrees, then fine. If she doesn't, then we'd split the revenue(which we should do really). Asking is the very least thing to do.
Well, I think it's safe to say said volunteers don't really care whether or not YDS accepts donationsI have published articles about RPG Maker in magazines and I also work as a contractor for Enterbrain. In my job, I constantly have to contact authors to ask them if I can share their script or their graphics on a website. I don't make money from it but a lot of them refuse as they want their creations to be on their website (for traffic purposes for one thing). This is only to provide a *link* on a different website. How do you think they would react if they knew their creation was used in a game which someone was making profit from? They'd go apeshit, that's what.
I can tell you for a fact that most people care *a lot* about how their creations are used, especially for financial reasons.
I understand you would have this impression (I had the same) but experience has proven to me that people *do* care.
@Calunio: I would contact YDS first. If she agrees, then fine. If she doesn't, then we'd split the revenue(which we should do really). Asking is the very least thing to do.
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Though I don't disagree with Creation, I think it's a very partial take on the matter. The other side of the issue is: making games, especially high-quality games, even amateur ones, takes a lot of time, effort, energy, and sometimes even money (in the case of TLG, YDS payed for some art).
I think that's beside the point.
Nobody asked you to make games, Calunio. Nobody asked me to make games either. You do it for fun and so do I.
If she chooses to pay someone to make some art instead of doing it herself, that's her choice as a creator of a game. The decision was up to her to provide a game of better quality.
This is the graphical aspect of the game, not the game as a whole (which is why Versalia's example with the painting doesn't work). People who make donation for the game will do so not only for the graphical elements but also for the scripts.
I'm not saying that YDS shouldn't make any money. I'm saying that in the case that she does, that it should be spread among everyone who contributed in making the game.
What's to disagree about that? What's unfair about rewarding everyone who takes part in a project, no matter the form?
I was hoping that Clyve would develop his point of view further as so far it has been limited to ROLF. Care to develop your opinion?
Boston Reboot
Yes, well, it's not like there's anything to argue here anyway which probably explains the ROFL.
You either respect other people's wishes or you don't, there's no opinion about it.
You either respect other people's wishes or you don't, there's no opinion about it.
Boston Reboot
You're right, it's not, but that's partly beside the point.
The point would be that you would be accepting money from a game which uses resources which do not belong to you and which you did not make. You can rationalize this to: ''Well it's not commercial so it's fine.'' You're probably right from a legal point of view but I don't think it's fair to people who unwillingly thus contributed to your game that they would get nothing (unless of course, you will split your revenue with everyone who participated which would be the ethical thing to do).
When someone takes some of their free time to contribute something for free to a community so that those people can contribute something else in return, it's the principle that everything should remain free. Do you honestly think a person would change their mind about if they learned that you were making cash through donations? It doesn't matter where the source of the money comes from and you know it, the end result is the same: you'd be making money by using things that don't belong to you.
Following your logic, I'm assuming you'd be fine if I start asking donations for the French version of Eyes Without a Face? It's only donation, right?
Anyways, I think what you're doing is morally wrong and I hope you'll reconsider because I would then regret helping you out. I certainly wouldn't have translated Eyes Without a Face if you were accepting donations for it (unless you then distributed your revenue to everyone who contributed).
The point would be that you would be accepting money from a game which uses resources which do not belong to you and which you did not make. You can rationalize this to: ''Well it's not commercial so it's fine.'' You're probably right from a legal point of view but I don't think it's fair to people who unwillingly thus contributed to your game that they would get nothing (unless of course, you will split your revenue with everyone who participated which would be the ethical thing to do).
When someone takes some of their free time to contribute something for free to a community so that those people can contribute something else in return, it's the principle that everything should remain free. Do you honestly think a person would change their mind about if they learned that you were making cash through donations? It doesn't matter where the source of the money comes from and you know it, the end result is the same: you'd be making money by using things that don't belong to you.
Following your logic, I'm assuming you'd be fine if I start asking donations for the French version of Eyes Without a Face? It's only donation, right?
Anyways, I think what you're doing is morally wrong and I hope you'll reconsider because I would then regret helping you out. I certainly wouldn't have translated Eyes Without a Face if you were accepting donations for it (unless you then distributed your revenue to everyone who contributed).
Boston Reboot
It looks great, as usual.
About receiving donation however, are you sure? I know a lot of people who make tilesets or who write scripts mention very clearly that it is for non-commercial only.
Now, you're not selling the game but you'd still make money by using other people's resources/scripts if some people make donations.
I personally wouldn't feel comfortable doing that but it's your call.
About receiving donation however, are you sure? I know a lot of people who make tilesets or who write scripts mention very clearly that it is for non-commercial only.
Now, you're not selling the game but you'd still make money by using other people's resources/scripts if some people make donations.
I personally wouldn't feel comfortable doing that but it's your call.
My Opinions
On one hand, I don't think you'll have anyone bitching and saying that making a game isn't worth it (considering the nature of this website...).
On the other hand:
I can understand that some people might not have artistic talent but still, anyone can do some editing.
The most disheartening is when talented artists end up using RIP or RTP. It's sad because they have the skills to create something unique but they don't.
On the other hand:
RTP and communal resources alientate me, I think. I am so sick of looking at them. YOU should try and make your own graphics, or edit exiting ones to the point that they no longer share the style of their source. EVEN IF THEY ARE CRAPPY MSP CHARSETS, they will still look like YOU made them.On the other hand, I am a very hardcore believer of this. The RTP unfortunately end up being more of a crutch than a help for game creators.
I can understand that some people might not have artistic talent but still, anyone can do some editing.
The most disheartening is when talented artists end up using RIP or RTP. It's sad because they have the skills to create something unique but they don't.
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