ISRIERI'S PROFILE

author=demonlord5000
I'm not even sure if I have played any games where it had a true survivor independent

IIIIIIII haaaaaave.

Boy that was a fun game.

author=Isrieri
I'll talk more about why LockeZ is probably the independent after I get off work

First, I'm making the assumption that the Independent's win condition is to be the last to survive, and so benefits from town deaths.

Demonlord said that he was targeted by an independent investigator for questioning, and he laid out exactly what the role does.

author=demonlord5000
So I was targeted by the independent interrogator last night. His role basically lets him ask me questions during the night phase, prevents me from using my power, but also prevents me from getting killed. He was also made to use the name interrogator so I'm not completely sure who it is. He seems to be more town aligned than scum aligned, so I wouldn't worry about figuring out who the independent is I think.

I didn't really know what to make of this at the time so I've just ignored it till LockeZ posted.

author=LockeZ
For there to be no kill last night, the scum kill and the doctor would've had to target the same person. If there's a doctor, they surely targetted either themselves or demonlord, since his was the only role claim and it's an important role. So to me that makes it pretty likely that demonlord's role claim is real.

The only way he could be scum is if he intentionally didn't use his scum kill last night just to avoid drawing suspicion to himself. And if that were the case I think he would've pointed this logic out himself. Which... is exactly what he did. He preemptively suggested that he was protected last night, and that there was probably a doctor, before anyone else could suggest it. If I were scum that's exactly what I'd do. Especially since, in the pre-game discussion about the rules, Jeroen specifically planted the idea in everyone's mind about ways to use no-killing to your advantage.

Mind you, I don't think demonlord is scum, but I just want to point out that he's not "confirmed town."

Is there a doctor in play? I dunno. Nor does LockeZ obviously. But he makes the assumption that there must have been one despite demon saying the interrogator is a jailer-type role.

So my thoughts here are basically "Why doesn't LockeZ trust demonlord?" I think its because, if he jailed demon, he might have done it intentionally to make this very post. He wants to give some semblence of credibility to a demon lynch if its necessary. An independent has to think long term, even if we catch all the scum.

Most importantly of all: The fact that the night action jailed demon served a double whammy of preventing demon from using his gun from blowing LockeZ's head off. There's no guarantee he would have done that, but he was suggesting a Locke/piano team and better safe than sorry. Its a savvy move and LockeZ is a savvy player.

Despite what demon said we need to worry very much about who the independent is. This is just a theory and I'm making a lot of assumptions. If its not LockeZ then it could be literally anybody....




Also scum is either Cap or Gourd and I'm going with Cap. Those are your only two options today people so get to theorizing.

Because I refuse to believe both he and Liberty are both to busy to play.

That's just too convenient.

Psy could you elaborate on why Muffle is a candidate because I'm not seeing it.

author=LockeZ
Just for the record, I'd like to point out that Piano was doing a pretty solid job as scum, here. He saw Psy ask me a question, and figured out a way to reword the question as an accusation so that it looked like Psy was the one accusing me.

The one useful thing this tells me is that I don't think Psy is likely to be scum. This strikes me more as a clever attack of opportunity on Pianotm's part than an intentional double-team by scum; I don't think they'd associate with each-other that obviously when fabricating a false accusation.

I drew the same conclusions; its the gist of my case for you as well. Its not that I find piano coming to Cap's defense suspicious, its that he was arguing with you over the Cap vote at all. If the two of you were scum working together, I don't see how its productive to blatantly contradict the other's reasoning unless you were trying to set up a bus. The fact that piano went out of his way to try and throw shade on you makes it even less likely.