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Nomic: game thread
Also I edited that one post again to have both versions (as closely as I can recall) in case anyone wants to see what Trihan saw. Heh. I wonder if you'd be demanding the rule I based it on if you hadn't seen that.
Nomic: game thread
Nomic: game thread
Sorry about editing my post. I thought I could do it quickly enough that nobody would see the first version. I'll try to look things over more carefully before posting next time ;)
Anyway it doesn't really matter anymore whether Shinan can vote against his own proposal. So to avoid more protracted discussion, I'll just say it's allowed.
As for changing votes, it is not specifically disallowed, and in particular Rule 302 made provision at least for voting to continue until each player places a "final vote". So Trihan is indeed allowed to change his vote as long as the turn isn't over.
Incidentally I am voting nay on this proposal. So as long as a majority consents to continuing to the next round per rule 211, it's time to calculate points (Shinan loses 10 points and gains 2, for a net -8 points) and move on to TangledLion's turn.
Anyway it doesn't really matter anymore whether Shinan can vote against his own proposal. So to avoid more protracted discussion, I'll just say it's allowed.
As for changing votes, it is not specifically disallowed, and in particular Rule 302 made provision at least for voting to continue until each player places a "final vote". So Trihan is indeed allowed to change his vote as long as the turn isn't over.
Incidentally I am voting nay on this proposal. So as long as a majority consents to continuing to the next round per rule 211, it's time to calculate points (Shinan loses 10 points and gains 2, for a net -8 points) and move on to TangledLion's turn.
Nomic: game thread
Oh rats, I guess somebody -did- see what I posted before I reconsidered and edited it. Um...Trihan, you being game master and apparently one who saw my original post, do you think I should restore the post and go from there? Or is it enough that what I wrote before isn't there anymore?
Nomic: game thread
NOTE: I edited this post. I was hoping to do it quickly enough that nobody would notice. But since Trihan did, I am restoring the original post (as I can remember) AND keeping the later version.
Version 1:
Although I would like to rule that he can't vote against his own proposal, I don't believe he can't. So unless LockeZ has a specific rule-based argument to make, I'm going to rule that he can.
I will advise Shinan, though, that if he votes nay he will lose 10 points, while voting yay will gain 7 points (13 * 50% = 6.5, which I believe will round up to 7).
Version 2:
After consulting the rules, I have decided that Shinan may not vote against his own proposal.
LockeZ, you have a dangerously tricky mind.
Version 1:
Although I would like to rule that he can't vote against his own proposal, I don't believe he can't. So unless LockeZ has a specific rule-based argument to make, I'm going to rule that he can.
I will advise Shinan, though, that if he votes nay he will lose 10 points, while voting yay will gain 7 points (13 * 50% = 6.5, which I believe will round up to 7).
Version 2:
After consulting the rules, I have decided that Shinan may not vote against his own proposal.
LockeZ, you have a dangerously tricky mind.
Nomic: game thread
Nomic: game thread
Well I vote yea obviously.
...I assume everyone else says Nay because it takes points away from me and gives you points now? Aw rats.
...I assume everyone else says Nay because it takes points away from me and gives you points now? Aw rats.
Nomic: game thread
Good points all. Glad to have this debate period. Coming to a vote now:
303. Should a rule-change result in the proposing player winning the game, either by points (assuming the maximum points able to be gained), the game being unable to continue, or any other method, the proposing player must include the word "Nomic" in the post putting the rule-change up to a vote. Should the proposing player fail to do so, or if the post has been edited from its original state, his or her turn will end immediately and the rule-change will not be adopted. The game shall not be declared won until it is confirmed that this rule has been followed.
303. Should a rule-change result in the proposing player winning the game, either by points (assuming the maximum points able to be gained), the game being unable to continue, or any other method, the proposing player must include the word "Nomic" in the post putting the rule-change up to a vote. Should the proposing player fail to do so, or if the post has been edited from its original state, his or her turn will end immediately and the rule-change will not be adopted. The game shall not be declared won until it is confirmed that this rule has been followed.
Nomic: game thread
OK, so I will only need 3 votes to pass this. Here is what I am thinking:
303. Should a rule-change result in the proposing player winning the game, either by points (assuming the maximum points able to be gained), the game being unable to continue, or any other method, the proposing player must say "Nomic" when putting the rule-change up to a vote. Should the proposing player fail to do so, his or her turn will end immediately and the rule-change will not be adopted.
...if that is too many words I am open to suggestions for making it simpler.
303. Should a rule-change result in the proposing player winning the game, either by points (assuming the maximum points able to be gained), the game being unable to continue, or any other method, the proposing player must say "Nomic" when putting the rule-change up to a vote. Should the proposing player fail to do so, his or her turn will end immediately and the rule-change will not be adopted.
...if that is too many words I am open to suggestions for making it simpler.
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