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Closeauthor=MirakWell, the kid's an American. Not pointing fingers here, but for some reason this conversation derailed into something about Arabs when we're talking about Americans here. Food for thought...
I have no idea, which is why i said i'd disregard that.
author=SnowOwlWow, remind me never to introduce you to my Muslim mum. You might free her from her abject slavery, and turn her *gasp* friendly, hardworking and honest.
how muslims view women in a very negative way, basically as slaves to do with as they please. But of course, it's more important to mark words about about how I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with Arabs. Let me clarify that for you then: Arabs are friendly, hardworking and honest, except the Muslims.
Yep, I just made another sweeping generalization. Sue me.
I like you, SnowOwl, but you need a serious reality check.
author=Linkis
I expected better than that from you Liberty.
I don't read a lot of news in your country so I don't know how many kids have been killed in your area but over here there have been several young people killed by other students, for a variety of reasons......that's what tension.
So if a teacher mistook a strange looking electronic devise in a case for a bomb then big deal.
That kid will not be traumatised??? for the rest of his life but he will be a little more thoughtful in the future about how he might cause a problem with something that others might mistake for something it is not.
He did not make a mistake, he simply did not understand he MIGHT cause a problem at school.
A simple mistake that snowballed and everyone on this forum...well, several people at least, are going haywire over nothing of all that importance since he is not going to jail or being charged, but will have something to laugh about in a few days with his friends.
Jees, lighten' up :)
Your right pianotm, you were there and SnowOwl and I were not.
OK, time to close another thread since people can't have a nice discussion on the news without flying off the handle and accusing others of being stupid or racist.
Um, they get killed because of guns, not because a kid makes a clock and brings it to class. Fair enough if it had been a GLOCK, but I've yet to hear about the last time an American school was blown up by terrorist attacks. Nevermind that there hasn't been an actual large-scale successful terrorist attack on American soil using explosive devices for years. Gun-based ones, yeah. Failed attempts, sure.
The most recent ones wer the marathon bombing and the other was a shooting. Neither dealt with school age kids. In fact, schools have been safe from bombings completely. Not even threats made. And yes, I did my homework and had a poke around. Unless you mean the domestic terrorists. The white ones. The ones that don't get called terrorists and are treated kindly and told it wasn't their fault because they had mental issues and omg get that poor poor man some help!
No, there was nothing but racism at work here. There was no reason for anyone - teacher or student - to expect anything other than a clock because there has been no fucking tension about whether someone was going to blow a hole in a school, especially when it comes to a student the people know. If anything they'd be scared of outside source, not one of the kids they've seen for the last x years and know - unless he were considered unstable in some way, which is NOT that case.
And yes, that kid will be traumatized for his whole life. He has been shown that society was all-to-ready to think of him as a threat, as less than human, un-worthy of his basic rights by treating him like a terrorist just because of his name and racial identity. That is scarring to someone, to be seen as less than everyone else. You're out of your fucking mind if you think it isn't! And it is incredibly important. Incredibly. More than you seem to realise.
As though someone's basic rights at being treated as equal to one's peers isn't important or doesn't send a message to the world at large! It is just like Hitler singling out the Jewish people because of the hate he had for them. Just. Like. That.
So don't dare say it isn't important or that people condemning the actions of the ADULTS in the scenario are somehow crazy or wrong - because they were adults and should have acted like it when it came to a CHILD who had his rights taken away and has been denied the right of a normal, everyday childhood because he was proud of a clock he made and brought it to school to show off.
So yeah, I will happily say it was racism. Because it was. I would say that I expected better from you, Linkis, but frankly, your reaction is exactly as I expected.
author=Yellow MagicI know nothing about that, i didn't brought his nationality in my posts. And the conversation about arabs started with this post, it flowed into a conversation about muslims and arabs, i don't think it had anything to do with racism if that's what your "food for thought" comment is implying.author=MirakWell, the kid's an American. Not pointing fingers here, but for some reason this conversation derailed into something about Arabs when we're talking about Americans here. Food for thought...
I have no idea, which is why i said i'd disregard that.
@Mirak, fair enough, but we also can't say that the safety of the children in the school was at issue, and the reason we can say that is because no safety protocols were activated to address the issue, and given the nature of the extremely reactive safety protocols in the case of improvised explosive devices, we can be certain that at no time did anyone ever suspect it was a bomb. So if it had nothing to do with the child's race, then what else could it have been?
When i said "it had nothing to do with racism", i was talking about how the conversation turned into a discussion about arabs and muslims, i was not talking about what happened to the kid. In that regard i totally think it was a racist thing.
Going back on the original point of the topic, i'm thinking about something;
These last few days my facebook feed has turned up lots of people talking about an apparently popular theory that the world will end soon (from september 20 onwards). Some people say an asteroid is gonna come and ruin our shit, some people are talking about verses of the bible or jewish things that will also ruin our shit and some people are talking about a massive worldwide economic crisis that will ruin our shit, all in the following days.
Have you guys heard any of this too?
EDIT: In another forum i frequent, a person told me that the economic crisis theory was started by a guy called Bill Bonner, and linked me to two websites.
atmcrisis.com, started by Bonner and ronpaulwarning10.com started by Ron Paul, who apparently also predicted the same crisis happening. Initially i was skeptical, but when i read the sites, i was extremely skeptical. Specially because of the reasons i said, which i quote:
So what do you make of this?
These last few days my facebook feed has turned up lots of people talking about an apparently popular theory that the world will end soon (from september 20 onwards). Some people say an asteroid is gonna come and ruin our shit, some people are talking about verses of the bible or jewish things that will also ruin our shit and some people are talking about a massive worldwide economic crisis that will ruin our shit, all in the following days.
Have you guys heard any of this too?
EDIT: In another forum i frequent, a person told me that the economic crisis theory was started by a guy called Bill Bonner, and linked me to two websites.
atmcrisis.com, started by Bonner and ronpaulwarning10.com started by Ron Paul, who apparently also predicted the same crisis happening. Initially i was skeptical, but when i read the sites, i was extremely skeptical. Specially because of the reasons i said, which i quote:
author=MirakThe person then said that while the websites are pretty similar and both are trying to sell their products, he claims to believe the actual arguments they explain there, since apparently the titular men in these websites have lots of experience and are older than any of us (i wanted to say that older people were also more prone to senility but i didn't want to strawmanize my posts too much).
Both of these websites are blatant scare mongering for the purpose of selling their shitty "survival books", the first one even opens up with a two star creepypasta-tier story and both open up with a video and redirect you to a tl;dr wall of text if you try to close the tab, if you believe any of that crockshit you need to be dopeslapped.
I mean it's true that you need to invest in gold and silver, that is true for any place in the world, but not because these people tell you to.
So what do you make of this?
author=Mirakauthor=Yellow MagicI know nothing about that, i didn't brought his nationality in my posts. And the conversation about arabs started with this post, it flowed into a conversation about muslims and arabs, i don't think it had anything to do with racism if that's what your "food for thought" comment is implying.author=MirakWell, the kid's an American. Not pointing fingers here, but for some reason this conversation derailed into something about Arabs when we're talking about Americans here. Food for thought...
I have no idea, which is why i said i'd disregard that.
On my phone so it may be acting up - did you link to AllChains post? Because I see nothing about Arabs there.
So far there's been a lot of talk about this weird equivalency between Arabs and Muslims which is kind of embarrassing tbh
author=Mirak
Going back on the original point of the topic, i'm thinking about something;
These last few days my facebook feed has turned up lots of people talking about an apparently popular theory that the world will end soon (from september 20 onwards). Some people say an asteroid is gonna come and ruin our shit, some people are talking about verses of the bible or jewish things that will also ruin our shit and some people are talking about a massive worldwide economic crisis that will ruin our shit, all in the following days.
Have you guys heard any of this too?
Pay no attention to any of these theories. If a rogue planet slams into us, then so be it, but the "The End is Nigh! Repent!" bullshit is exactly that: bullshit. Google Harold Camping. He was predicting the end of the world for years, was always wrong, and always insisted that the rapture was coming. He convinced people to give away their life savings. There are thousands of families who's lives were destroyed because they listened to this clown. Since the days of ancient Sumeria people have carried signs saying "The End is Nigh!" The world was supposed to end in 2012 because of the Mayan calendar.
It was supposed to end in 1999 because 999 is 666 upside down. It was supposed to end 2002 because of some planetary alignment that would make the world tilt. Did you know that in 1666, because of 666, so many people were convinced the world was going to end that in the minutes before midnight on New Years eve, everyone throughout Europe held each other in terror. The predictions of Nostradamus! Hitler is the first anti-Christ and Saddam Hussein was the second anti-Christ and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Notice that Nostradamus doesn't predict it until after it's happened. My family is Baptist. I grew up with End of the World predictions. They're bullshit; everyone of them. If they were true, this planet would have suffered devastation from countless disasters unparalleled next to anything in the imagination or what has been written.
EDIT: The economic crisis theory, on the other hand, has some merit. It's based on actual verifiable data that can actually be predicted within reason.
author=Yellow MagicHe talked about muslims, which was followed by owl's post about some arabs being muslims, which was then followed by others.
On my phone so it may be acting up - did you link to AllChains post? Because I see nothing about Arabs there.
author=Yellow MagicIt's still discussion though, challengeable and/or not.
So far there's been a lot of talk about this weird equivalency between Arabs and Muslims which is kind of embarrassing tbh
author=pianotmWell i am mainly talking about that, not the religious ones. I just mentioned them to assert that they exist but i don't believe in them.
EDIT: The economic crisis theory, on the other hand, has some merit. It's based on actual verifiable data that can actually be predicted within reason.
Yeah, I have actually been taking precautions to be on the safe side with the predictions of economic collapse.
What sort of precautions?
I live in Mexico and use a different currency than the dollar, but my country is heavily dependent on the US, to what degree would an economic collapse in America affect me as a civilian?
I live in Mexico and use a different currency than the dollar, but my country is heavily dependent on the US, to what degree would an economic collapse in America affect me as a civilian?
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author=pianotm
You know, there was a time in the Middle East when Muslim women went to college, could get degrees in finance, engineering. They didn't have to wear traditional clothing, or even cover their faces. Some Muslim countries even today have women elected as president and prime minister.
It wasn't even 100 years ago. Just google "Women in Islam 1960" sometime.
author=pianotmauthor=MirakPay no attention to any of these theories. If a rogue planet slams into us, then so be it, but the "The End is Nigh! Repent!" bullshit is exactly that: bullshit. Google Harold Camping. He was predicting the end of the world for years, was always wrong, and always insisted that the rapture was coming. He convinced people to give away their life savings. There are thousands of families who's lives were destroyed because they listened to this clown. Since the days of ancient Sumeria people have carried signs saying "The End is Nigh!" The world was supposed to end in 2012 because of the Mayan calendar.
Going back on the original point of the topic, i'm thinking about something;
These last few days my facebook feed has turned up lots of people talking about an apparently popular theory that the world will end soon (from september 20 onwards). Some people say an asteroid is gonna come and ruin our shit, some people are talking about verses of the bible or jewish things that will also ruin our shit and some people are talking about a massive worldwide economic crisis that will ruin our shit, all in the following days.
Have you guys heard any of this too?
It was supposed to end in 1999 because 999 is 666 upside down. It was supposed to end 2002 because of some planetary alignment that would make the world tilt. Did you know that in 1666, because of 666, so many people were convinced the world was going to end that in the minutes before midnight on New Years eve, everyone throughout Europe held each other in terror. The predictions of Nostradamus! Hitler is the first anti-Christ and Saddam Hussein was the second anti-Christ and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Notice that Nostradamus doesn't predict it until after it's happened. My family is Baptist. I grew up with End of the World predictions. They're bullshit; everyone of them. If they were true, this planet would have suffered devastation from countless disasters unparalleled next to anything in the imagination or what has been written.
There's always some End-time crap waiting to be fulfilled. I'm actually in the middle of a Diarmaid MacCulloch's Christianity and it's almost hilarious how many people in Christian history were working on the assumption that the end of the world is just around the corner.
author=Mirak
What sort of precautions?
A hothouse garden, canned goods, a woodburning stove, outdoor camping stoves. I'm also going to convert to solar power. That sort of thing. I'm also taking measures to make sure I can recover my finances.
I live in Mexico and use a different currency than the dollar, but my country is heavily dependent on the US, to what degree would an economic collapse in America affect me as a civilian?
I honestly couldn't say. Every financial collapse has had various effects on the rest of the world. I don't know how Mexico is dependent on the U. S. so I don't know how it would be affected.
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author=Yellow Magic
Wow, remind me never to introduce you to my Muslim mum. You might free her from her abject slavery, and turn her *gasp* friendly, hardworking and honest.
I'm happy for you and your mum, but the reason she's not treated like a slave isn't thanks to her religion, rather it's despite her religion.
author=pianotm
At no point have I said to support or approve of these governments. Unfortunately, you seem to miss the point that a government's purpose is to control its populace. The more authoritarian the government, the more violent its methods. In order to maintain its rapport with the population, it must be able to justify its more violent actions using means the public can relate to, otherwise, they risk a revolution. So a government and a society establishes it's rule of law based upon the dominant religion of the region
Except you basically do defend them in the next sentences, which in short reads to me as: "It's necessary because of their religion".
author=pianotm
But of course, it's more important to you that we condemn an entire culture based on the actions of a few
It's not really "a few" though. Muslims treat people of other religions and their women somewhat better in western countries, but make no mistake, that is ONLY because they can't get away with it because they are not in the majority, and because there are laws which prevent them from kicking the shit out of their woman for not following their orders. Generally the bigger the percentage of muslims, the more violence against non-muslims there are and if a woman would dare to go outside without full body armor, you can be sure that she will be punished. Yes, there are exceptions, like your auntie or whatever. Thank you for stating the obvious that there will be exceptions to something among 2 billion people.
SnowOwl
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author=pianotm
I'll admit I've gotten a bit facetious with you, but I don't think I've really gotten nasty with you, so please let's keep being nice.
author=pianotm
The bigot speaketh.
I guess that concludes our discussion.
As a ending, I'd like to say that I think all religions are shit, Islam is just at the top of the shit-scale. Sometimes they do good, but mostly religions are used as a means of brainwashing and controling people. All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Corfaisus
"It's frustrating because - as much as Corf is otherwise an irredeemable person - his 2k/3 mapping is on point." ~ psy_wombats
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author=SnowOwlauthor=pianotmIt's not really "a few" though. Muslims treat people of other religions and their women somewhat better in western countries, but make no mistake, that is ONLY because they can't get away with it because they are not in the majority, and because there are laws which prevent them from kicking the shit out of their woman for not following their orders. Generally the bigger the percentage of muslims, the more violence against non-muslims there are and if a woman would dare to go outside without full body armor, you can be sure that she will be punished. Yes, there are exceptions, like your auntie or whatever. Thank you for stating the obvious that there will be exceptions to something among 2 billion people.
But of course, it's more important to you that we condemn an entire culture based on the actions of a few
There was a time when white people thought descendants of Africa would rape their white women because they were too akin to animals to stop themselves. They considered them marginally more evolved apes. I'm certain a great number of those people thought that the only reason that black people were able to be "kept in line" was because America was too perfect to let anything slide.
Explain to me how that's any different than what you're saying now. Again this might interest you. Sure, 50 minutes is practically a lifetime, but still.
Also, someday when Linkis gets banned for being incompatible with the forum, might I recommend his banne avatar just being a big :).
