MILLER'S HOLLOW MAFIA - GAME THREAD

How can I not be? It's the same every first day - people prod and poke each other and we can't really get much of a read. Maybe I need to re-read everything but from what I saw it's all bluff and bluster and calling others out over tiny things. And sure, that's how the game is played, but we've nothing concrete yet so it's just all over the place.
Thus my usual no-lynch stance. The likeliness of us finding a werewolf on day 01 is pretty slim and it's better (imo) to try to keep numbers up at the start of the game (in other words, not accidentally killing one of us) than to have a three-day game because we lynch ourselves into oblivion - it has happened a few times.

author=Liberty
Frankly I figured the election idea was something more interesting and beneficial to spend the first day on, but it seems everyone is content to just let it slide. :/

And for some reason, the way I read the description made it sound like we have to elect someone first day? If we don't have a time limit to elect someone, then why not just choose to not elect? It keeps the double-vote out of nefarious hands.

Is this possible? Let us know, GM. Do we have to elect a sheriff at all?

Jeroen said he's away today (or maybe yesterday). Either way, he also noted early on that the election is a gimmick that he's trying out. If it doesn't work, that makes sense.
It IS a lot of power to entrust to someone on a day when we can't decide who is who; however, I will gladly kiss babies for something fun like that role!

Liberty, you're correct in the previous post that it's a lot of hot air, but it's the hot air we float this air balloon on. For instance, Gourd_Clae had more to say last game iirc, but here he's sorta just poking his nose in a little. Still making valid points, so he gets a plausible pass. Little shit like that.

author=Liberty
And for some reason, the way I read the description made it sound like we have to elect someone first day? If we don't have a time limit to elect someone, then why not just choose to not elect? It keeps the double-vote out of nefarious hands.

Is this possible? Let us know, GM. Do we have to elect a sheriff at all?

I was confused about this too, and the answer is the sheriff will elect someone at random by the end of the day if we don't elect someone ourselves.

If elected sheriff, I promise to elect Liberty as my deputy.
I will also lower taxes and stuff.
my fingers are crossed behind my back on the taxes.

...Read the rest of the post.

The problem is the question you mentioned in your post: Whether the Sheriff CAN step down. The description on the Sheriff card simply said "Whenever he dies, a new Sheriff is elected by the live townspeople", so I'm going to guess it's not.

I'm not going to lie: I think it's a good plan. However, I'm going to wait until Jeroen confirms whether or not a Sheriff can step down.

Seeing as I don't want the day to end before possibly electing someone

#cancel lynch on PlatinumAshes

If there's more no lynches will you pick that? Or are you gonna pick to lynch someone even if it's more in favour of not?

Not stepping down... Right - amendment then. Instead of 100% no-confidence vote, lynching. If, on the third day, the village no longer thinks I should be sheriff, lynch me and elect a new one.

I will not roll false. I will lock down the double-vote for as long as I survive. This will take it out of play. You only have my word, of course, but let my actions speak for me.

Again, if you don't think locking down the double is a good idea or don't trust me, don't vote for me. Let me be a sacrifice for the town so that no werewolves get their hands on the damn thing.

this business of electing the sheriff in order to game the setup needs to take a backseat to finding the scum. we have twenty-four hours or something. Vote for whoever you think is town (ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) and then help me lynch the first scumhaver, who is Zeuzio.

The People of The New Anime Republic Vs Zeuzio

Wat. I know Jeroen said he may have added extra roles, but c'mon? Day Cop?

Not sure why you expect us to trust you out of the blue, haha. Like you said, the only person we know to be town so far are ourselves. Oh yeah, it's because you're Cavedog and you say funny things during mafia games.

Anyway, I'm not sure we should even elect a sheriff tbh. At least not until we have a confirmed townie. But then they'll just die anyway so meh. :/

Welp, gotta go. I'll be back whenever.

I guess I might as well leave this here: #lynch Wildwes. I'm interested to see how today turns out.

In the first two posts, Zeuzio expresses disbelief regarding my cop claim. But then he votes for wildwes anyway, a lynch that was only supported by my cop claim at the time. Note that this is the only vote Zeuzio has cast all day. Votes as a whole, that is. Zeuzio has not voted to elect anyone either.

author=Zeuzio
Too many posts... ;~;

So Cave's claim was fake(obviously), Liberty's plan is too risky, and a Wildwes lynch probably isn't happening.

#Cancel

author=PlatinumAshes
Every player has posted at this point, but there are 3 players who have been minimally active (2 posts or less). It is, then, not out of the question that at least a percentage of the actual scum has been lurking so far. It would be a very tactical decision.

A fair point.

This post always struck me as weird. Why, exactly, is a wildwes lynch not happening today? That seemed like a weird claim to make at the time. Zeuzio quotes Platinum who says that "scum might be lurking" to say that it is a fair point. Okay. I've already explained this, but I think this looks an awful lot like Zeuzio is attempting to appear to be active without actually saying anything of note.

Yeah, sorry for lurking and stuff. I was hanging out with friends and was not able to check the game on most of the 4th and 5th, and I was exhausted by the time I got back, only to have six more pages of posts to look through. Sorry if I haven't been able to come up with a solid opinion of everyone yet. :P

Well, Zeuzio was posting during those times, so I'm confused as to why he was apparently willing to make calls like 'wildwes lynch probably isn't happening' and also somehow managed to read all of Liberty's manifesto and divine that her plan was too risky. Sounds like someone read at least a little!! But let's see what he came up with when he came back:

Okay.

I think Cave is likely town, but due to his playstyle I simply can't put enough faith in him to elect him! XD I modded a game where he duped the entire town, even when a person who had just died and saw incriminating flavor and then was revived was convinced.

Liberty is playing her usual town style, though I don't think she's been mafia very many times so I don't know. There's also the fact that what she proposed about being sheriff would be pretty ballsy thing for a mafia to suggest and, like Cave said, wouldn't even help them much until lylo.

I'm not seeing what's so scummy about Platinum. I've guessed the mafia/town ratio as a townie before, and imo that's hardly enough to justify being on my radar. and what I said about his point being fair was just me trying to say something even though I was really tired and couldn't think! XD

and uh, that's all I've got for now. I'd have to read everything again in order to really get a read more. ugh.

what the heck is this!!! Two town reads, one null read, anD TWO ANIME EMOTICONS?? Notice how the town reads are not really based on anything. It's just "cave seems town" and "liberty seems to be town." It's pretty easy for scum to make these kinds of calls, since they know who is town. In addition, Despite thinking that I am town, he explicitly says he will not elect me (????). He doesn't say he won't elect Liberty, but he doesn't do it in this post. And it's pretty obvious he was thinking about elections while making this post, since he mentioned that he wouldn't elect me. So you have two people you are confident are town, but will elect neither of them? There is only one reasonable answer as to why. Zeuzio also says, again, that he needs to reread.

Either he is lying about needing to reread, or he reads very closely information that pertains specifically to him, because he recalls one offhand comment I made about his response of Platinum being odd and responds to it. This was like, a couple of sentences buried in a text post in this sea of a thread.

Then he says uh and ugh in the same sentence. classic scumtell. Not really. kind of. but the rest of what I said is important. Zeuzio has been just floating along, not making any calls of any kind and when asked to produces two town reads, but does not seem to want to back either of them up with election votes. he's also done zero scum hunting and was ready to vote based on the evidence of a cop claim he thought was fake. also, he keeps saying he needs to reread but has plainly been reading.

read it and then help me murder this guy

##lynch zeuzio

As much as it would benit me support Cave's prosecution of Zeuzio- sacrificing him as a distraction for myself- I have to be honest, and say that I disagree with Cave in his final conclusion.

Cave made me few very strong points, in my opinion, that mostly boil down to Zuezio acting timidly and defensively. (anime emoticons, absentness, passiveness)

I don't disagree with this argument. Zeuzio appears anxious in the way he posts. However, I don't agree that this anxiousness is a tell of him being werewolf.

Cave explains Zeuzio's passiveness by claiming Zeuzio is trying to 'stay clean', play it safe, if you will. I can agree with that, up to an extend. He also says, that Zeuzio's unwillingness to vote on the trending popular suspects is what renders him truely too passive to be a townie. I would argue the exact opposite: not making arguments for others' guilt or not theoryzing at all can be a tell, but quietly nodding your head and going 'jup, I think you guys are pretty much right, let's lynch this guy', would be the smartest thing to do for scum. Rather, I think the fact that Zeuzio not only acts passively but also doesn't dare cast his vote, points at the fact that he actually doesn't trust his own conclusions enough- probably because he had to be absent for personal reasons and is not following enough.


I have my own theory on who's likely to be scum at this point. It's risky for me to post it whole, but since I'm probably going to die anyway, I'll be posting it tonight.

Cave made me few very strong points, in my opinion, that mostly boil down to Zuezio acting timidly and defensively. (anime emoticons, absentness, passiveness)

well, he's also been acting internally inconsistent (doesn't believe cop claim, votes with cop claim. is pretty sure someone is town, refuses to elect them because WHAT IF THEY'RE SCUM. Constantly says he needs to reread, yet appears to have been reading very closely.)
Also, not having any scumtells and throwing out "this guy's town because, eh, well he just seems town!!" when pressured.

passively going along with a lynch is something he did at the start of the day, but no, it is not the smartest thing for scum to do, as it is lazy and will get them lynched. regardless, there is more than one way for scum to play, and theorizing on who the scumteam is based on who you think is playing the way you think scum should optimally play is silly because not only do people have different ideas of what optimal play is, but they usually don't even hold up to their own standards.

The excuse that he does not really trust his conclusions because he hasn't been reading is not really one that holds up when the fact that he has been posting, noticing small details, and made his last post after saying that he was going to reread, thus nullifying that defense.