MILLER'S HOLLOW MAFIA - GAME THREAD

author=Happy
Guilty, as in responsible for lynching Zeuzio, and yeah he could be werewolf if his thought pattern would be as simple as "dohoho, I want to kill a town player so let's lynch this guy."

It's true that starting the Zeuzio bandwagon isn't enough of a reason for CAVE_DOG to be innocent. However, it's not my only reason for being suspicious of him:

1. The pretend fight against PlatinumAshes, someone who's shown that their innocence is dubious at best, and then jumping to his rescue once heat started piling up on them.
2. The post where he said he hadn't seen any reasoning for lynching Wildwes seemed like a slip-up on Day 1, along with several other minor quibbles here and there, including a mention of "bad reasoning", something only admitted after questioning.

I asked Happy why Cave was suspicious because even Happy admitted that CAVE_DOG could indeed look suspicious. Happy now says that "guilty" meant something different, which could be the case, yeah, but it could also be covering up his own tracks, something that looks increasingly likely.

I know I'm going to get a lot of "It's the same crappy argument again and again" from the suspects, but to that I say: It's the same crappy responses again and again. Basically, we're going around in circles at this point and we really need to lynch at least ONE of those who bandwagoned on Zeuzio - ideally the starter and the possible accomplice who didn't bother clarifying their vote (PlatinumAshes) for Zeuzio despite showing hesitation when Zeuzio was even LESS innocent-looking.

author=Gourd_Clae
You guys only have yourselves to blame, not Cave. even if Cave is a werewolf, seriously, YM is just being INCREDIBLY scummy. He started a bandwagon on Cave (who did nothing scummy, unless you count being wrong scummy), then he's asking Happy why Cave is so suspicious. Whether this is an actual question or not is irrelevant - if it is then he's had his vote on Cave for way too long not knowing what he was doing. If he's just testing Happy, how many people has he called scummy by now?

1. So CAVE_DOG isn't even somewhat responsible?
2. See above for reasons.
3. How many people I've called scummy? Well, PlatinumAshes, CAVE_DOG, Zeuzio and now Happy. Three out of those four are now likely to be werewolves, or at least the first two, I'm sure many would agree...I don't see what the problem is?

Honestly, it looks like he's just using the scum tactic of pointing out everyone's scummy tendencies whether they're there or not.

..isn't that what CAVE_DOG's been doing since the game began? Besides defending suspicious people, I mean.

author=PlatinumAshes
If you look back at the ed of day of Day 1, you'll see I was the prime suspect. If things had kept quiet from then on, I'd have been hung by the ~3 man majority of you, Yellow Magic and Gourd, and maybe a small scum following too. What Cave did end Day one, was throw all his credibility and reputation away to swtich the target from one townie to the next.

So what exactly is your point here, sorry? That CAVE_DOG sacrificed so much to save your life in this game? I can think of a decent reason why that would be the case...

Honestly, Yellow_Magic doesn't read scum at this point, but I won't write it off completely either. I feel if Yellow_Magic is scum, the scum team is a different set of people than the ones we're suspicious of currently- quite possibly a team consisting of Y_M, Trihan and someone else.

However it is very true that CAVE's arguments 'yesterday' jumped around a lot, and the banter between himself and PA felt...not quite genuine, like they were arguing for the sake of arguing (I KNOW THAT IS THE POINT OF THIS GAME, BEAR WITH ME).

The people who are guilty for the death of Zeuzio are all of the voters, not just Cave. Mirror - you tried to get people to vote to lynch yesterday too, even though I explained why it was a stupid idea. As did the others. So don't start using that as a reason for lynching people today, those who voted to lynch are all equally as guilty.

Also, you can't blame Cave for his being elected sheriff. He did absolutely no fucking campaigning for it. I even called that out yesterday, asking why those who voted for him did so. It was like an avalanche of votes coming from all sides just after he voted himself. That would seem suspicious if I knew for a fact that Cave doesn't play so obvious a scum.

Which means that I think one of those who voted for him and the lynch is scum.

For those who can't be arsed checking:

Election:CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK: 4 - Gourd_Clae, CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK, Zeuzio, PlatinumAshes, Adon237
Happy: 1 - Happy
Trihan: 0 - PlatinumAshes
Dudesoft: 0 - Dudesoft, Trihan
Liberty: 2 - Liberty, Adon237, wildwes
Zeuzio: 2 - Dudesoft, PlatinumAshes
Not voting: MirrorMasq, Yellow Magic, Zeuzio, SorceressKyrsty

Lynch:
CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK: 0 - Happy
PlatinumAshes: 0 - Dudesoft
SorceressKyrsty: 1 - MirrorMasq
Yellow Magic: 0 - CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
Zeuzio: 6 - Adon237, CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK, Gourd_Clae, Zeuzio, PlatinumAshes, Yellow Magic, Dudesoft, CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK, Yellow Magic, PlatinumAshes
Nolynch: 4 - Liberty, wildwes, Trihan, Happy
Not voting: SorceressKyrsty, Gourd_Clae,

The people who seem scummiest to me are Adon, Happy, YM and PlatinumAshes. Adon as the scummiest.

#lynch Adon237

The woes of playing mafia...

No, lynching someone was a good idea, lynching Zeuzio was a bad one (otherwise it would be a good idea to lynch you first day).
Also, what we have now is a complete bedlam, votes are split like hell. We do have like two sides right now, Adon, YM and Dude on one side, while Happy, Platinum, Gourd and Cave and the other. Lib is kinda neutral at this point, by the looks of it, while Kyrsty is just lurking like hell and wildwes just bandwagoning everything blindnessly. It's pretty safe to assume that most of one of this groups are scum. Now we only need to figure out which one.

author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
when did i have a fight with PA. I forget. notice that I am not defending myself as I am forbidden to do that until tomorrow as part of this thread's test, but asking a question.

Pages 3 and 4.

author=Gourd_Clae
1. Well, he did retract his vote when Zeuzio started sending more town vibes. He gave town enough time to think about it. Though, I did phrase that wrong - it is at least partly his fault for voting against Zeuzio and making arguments against him.
2. I'm glad there is reasoning behind your lynch.
3. That is characteristic of Cave's play style though. I will admit that I thought you had accused more people of being scummy, however.

I'm starting to feel better about you, but I'm still hesitant to think of you as innocent when you'd just let votes pile on Cave when he made it clear that he wasn't even aware of the accusations against him.

1. But why the vote back at the last minute? I don't think an explanation was given at the time.
2. How about that. ;p
3. I'm not sure how good an idea it is to judge players' performances based on their previous games. People change, you know. If you wanna go down that route, CAVE_DOG's already admitted to "bad reasoning" which isn't indicative of his normal playstyle at all, as well as misreading posts and forgetting events very casually.

What do you mean, "He wasn't aware of the accusations against him"?

I'm honestly not sure why this is taking so long, guys. At worst, CAVE_DOG is a Werewolf. At best, he's a liability who hasn't been playing very well this game and
thus probably needs the double-vote taken away, as I don't think he originally planned to make his vote democratically.

Therefore, CAVE_DOG should, logically speaking, be our next lynch.

I have to go to work now and am fairly sure no one is going to listen to me, but if things get screwed up again due to more misvotes...tough. Don't blame me. Blame yourself or God.

author=Yellow Magic
Don't blame me. Blame yourself or God.

*hesitated *I want to