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CloseAlso, a brainfart on my post. I posted saying that both, don't suspect MM, and also that I do. This is majorly due to the fact he's been lynching a lot and not saying a lot less. When I was writing that I think him as innocent, I was thinking back on the impression I had about him in earlier point of the game.
What I entirely forgot was that Adon confirms him town. Though taking a note of that, to clear it up, only players I do keep as town players at this point are Adon and MM.
Other players simply have no proof, though I still have to skim through the entire game before I'll write about others.
What I entirely forgot was that Adon confirms him town. Though taking a note of that, to clear it up, only players I do keep as town players at this point are Adon and MM.
Other players simply have no proof, though I still have to skim through the entire game before I'll write about others.
So, today's the last day, right? I thought Kyrsty was innocent yesterday though I'm not sure now. I'm thinking the only people who could be mafia are Happy and Kyrsty which is making me think that people may not be unfounded in their beliefs that she's suspicious.
Besides a for few discrepancies, your post largely uninfluenced my view on who is guilty and who is not...
Even now I'm starting to question whether Liberty's a town or werelwolf, considering on many days she hasn't really contributed to the lynches at all. Her play has been very neutral and she's been assuming a high authority role.
How come you guys are at this point willing to lynch your last players with so little arguments and logic and basing your actions on fast thinking/intuition/emotions?
I'm terribly sorry for my absence recently, but I promise I'll stay more active from now on. I'd recommend everyone else trying to actually do the same seeing we aren't getting much argumentation here.
Please, could everyone voting elaborate why I am suspected and why they assume Libery is a town player or that Mirror Masq is?
Also, if you're still wondering why my first day posts are shady, as I told to Adon on day one, the only way to stay alive during nights is to appear suspicious in general. Werewolves don't want to kill potentially suspicious players, because the town can do that for them. If you're a potential player, you don't want to take too big role, or you'll end up dead asap.
Though you don't want to remain vague for too long either, or town will actually kill you, which threatens me at this point.
Let me break down my lynch voting, shall I?
Day 01 - I don't lynch day 01 unless I'm quite sure that someone is scum or I get a strong vibe from Cave. Frankly, I don't think lynching gains town anything on the first day, though I understand a lot of people think otherwise.
Day 02 - I meant to vote on Dudesoft but there was a combination of bad time zone and being called away to babysit and when I came back the day had ended.
Day 03 - I didn't believe that Trihan was guilty, so I instead voted for who I thought was - Kyrsty.
Day 04 - Again, I didn't think wildwes was guilty. I let others sway my feelings about who to vote for, though, and ended up letting the day end without voting at all. Didn't help that it got real quiet after wes got some votes on him.
It's funny, though. The thing that made me think that you were most likely town is the fact that you stayed your vote on Dudesoft even after others dropped it. Now, it could very well be that this was a play to appear innocent if one of you flipped but I'm reminded again that this rather unlikely. So, looking again at Kyrsty's voting... she jumps from one innocent to the next.
But then, Day 03, she's on the lynch-wagon for Trihan. In the middle, too, which makes it less likely that she is scum. Now, this could be a play to appear innocent, once again, but it's a bit too much to think that she would risk her partner when it was clear there was no-one else being gunned for at the time.
However, Happy, you came into the vote early and stuck there. At the time people jumped back and forth between Cave and it appeared he might be the one killed off at that time instead. Perhaps you stayed the vote, thinking dudes would be safe and the sudden inrush of votes caught you before you could get back to unvote... or you both agreed to leave it on due to the overwhelming amount already on him after x amount of time so it looked more like you were innocent.
That could be the case. Not sure if it's more or less likely for you or Kyrsty.
There is one thing I'm sure of, though. Either you or Kyrsty are the werewolf.
At this point I think I'll put a vote on Kyrsty.
#Lynch SorceressKyrsty
She keeps jumping from one innocent person to another. Also, while I feel she was playing town while she has been playing, she has lurked which is certainly a scum Kyrsty trait.
Also town as a whole seems to have a broken scumdar so I think I'll go against the current majority, of course this isn't a very important reason at all, though.
#Lynch SorceressKyrsty
She keeps jumping from one innocent person to another. Also, while I feel she was playing town while she has been playing, she has lurked which is certainly a scum Kyrsty trait.
Also town as a whole seems to have a broken scumdar so I think I'll go against the current majority, of course this isn't a very important reason at all, though.
Liberty, I would love to hear why you think Gourd_Clae is a town player. I am suspicious of Kyrsty myself, as well, but I have been looking through Gourd's actions to compare the choices. Have you done this? If you have, what makes Gourd seem as town to you?
I have taken look at the discussions of each game day and often Gourd hasn't decided or contributed to the lynch until as one of the last persons.
Day 2 votes don't really contribute to his favor. Last person to bandwagon a werewolf? Well, sure he could have been busy (I'll say that from personal experience) but it also doesn't leave him out of suspicion of being a werewolf.
Here's his reasoning:
Right, now then day 3 lynch:
Well, he definitely didn't contribute to the werewolf kill. He did mention Trihan looking suspicious in his post, but didn't vote for his lynch?
Additionally, on page 34 Gourd's defending Kyrsty: http://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/13638/?p=34#posts
Now Gourd's vote right now?
Again, Gourd is going "with majority", like in Dudesoft lynch, yet he bases his lynch on arguments that don't quite follow the logic of his earlier statement. First Kyrsty is not lurking, but there's a chance to kill her now in the end game, she suddenly is?
For day 4 I won't say anything as it went bollocks and no body was much active (including me.)
I'm not going to vote for lynching anybody yet, because I want to go through Lib's and Kyrsty's posts once more before I do, but I am wondering why exactly is Gourd out of suspicions.
I have taken look at the discussions of each game day and often Gourd hasn't decided or contributed to the lynch until as one of the last persons.
author=Jeroen_Sol
Dudesoft, who was a Werewolf, was hanged day 2!
Final Day 2 votecount:
Lynch:
CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK: 2 -MirrorMasq,Yellow Magic,Dudesoft,Adon237,wildwes, MirrorMasq, Dudesoft,SorceressKyrsty
Dudesoft: 6 -CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK, Happy, CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK, Adon237, wildwes, Gourd_Clae
PlatinumAshes: 3 -MirrorMasq,Dudesoft, SorceressKyrsty,Gourd_Clae, Trihan,CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK,Adon237, Yellow Magic
Yellow Magic: 0 -Gourd_Clae
Adon237: 0 -Liberty
SorceressKyrsty: 0 -CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK,wildwes,Liberty
Not voting: PlatinumAshes, Liberty
With 12 alive, and 1 Sheriff, it takes 7 to hammer.
Night actions in 24 hours!
Day 2 votes don't really contribute to his favor. Last person to bandwagon a werewolf? Well, sure he could have been busy (I'll say that from personal experience) but it also doesn't leave him out of suspicion of being a werewolf.
Here's his reasoning:
author=Gourd_Clae
Or cave can post them. Since Dudes had more votes I think I'll switch to him. My main concern at the moment is making sure someone gets lynched, though I'd much prefer a PA lynch.
#Cancel #Lynch Dudes
Right, now then day 3 lynch:
author=Jeroen_Sol
Trihan, who was a Werewolf, was hanged day 3!
Final Day 3 votecount:
Lynch:
SorceressKyrsty: 2 - Trihan, Liberty
Trihan: 6 CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK, Yellow Magic, SorceressKyrsty, MirrorMasq, Adon237
Wildwes: 1 Gourd_Clae
Not voting: Happy, wildwes
Well, he definitely didn't contribute to the werewolf kill. He did mention Trihan looking suspicious in his post, but didn't vote for his lynch?
Additionally, on page 34 Gourd's defending Kyrsty: http://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/13638/?p=34#posts
author=Gourd_Clae
Could you pinpoint where her faulty logic was, Wes? If I recall correctly, the most she posted was a case against PA which did have valid points (even if it was incorrect.)
I understand your lurking point, however, she's been playing like a twon Kyrsty would play while she is here. She said earlier that her scum strategy was lurking heavily and saying very little that was useful unlike now where she's NOT lurking, she's been here enough to warrant not being labeled as a lurker, and has been putting forward effort to make a case for her voting pattern, rather than say, copying another person's argument and saying she's a could kill regardless of alignment when we're nearing endgame.
If you can't point out her faulty logic, please give me YOUR reasons for voting against her, NOT someone else's. (That was Cave's I believe? He even said yesterday that he wasn't convinced she was scum.)
Now Gourd's vote right now?
author=Gourd_Clae
At this point I think I'll put a vote on Kyrsty.
#Lynch SorceressKyrsty
She keeps jumping from one innocent person to another. Also, while I feel she was playing town while she has been playing, she has lurked which is certainly a scum Kyrsty trait.
Also town as a whole seems to have a broken scumdar so I think I'll go against the current majority, of course this isn't a very important reason at all, though.
Again, Gourd is going "with majority", like in Dudesoft lynch, yet he bases his lynch on arguments that don't quite follow the logic of his earlier statement. First Kyrsty is not lurking, but there's a chance to kill her now in the end game, she suddenly is?
For day 4 I won't say anything as it went bollocks and no body was much active (including me.)
I'm not going to vote for lynching anybody yet, because I want to go through Lib's and Kyrsty's posts once more before I do, but I am wondering why exactly is Gourd out of suspicions.
Happy is trying a bit too hard with all this walls of text, doesn't look much town, yet he had some decent points. I'm tearing between him, Gourd and Kyrsty right now. I'd say Gourd is most likely target right now. He really did some things with lack of logic in it.
Too much text? How is that trying too hard? I'm hoping to hammer some sense into your heads, hoping that it'd stick there even if you lynched me.
Which is that? Kyrsty?
I have no issue with that at all, but I would like to hear her defence before-hand. A last chance to prove her innocence.
Also, I wonder if there's a Cupid or Thief in this game. I guess Jeroen did say he was switching some things up, so maybe he didn't add them in.
I have no issue with that at all, but I would like to hear her defence before-hand. A last chance to prove her innocence.
Also, I wonder if there's a Cupid or Thief in this game. I guess Jeroen did say he was switching some things up, so maybe he didn't add them in.
Ah, I forgot to add: As for why I think Gourd is town - I'm just pretty sure that he is. I find you and Kyrsty a lot more suspect.
Am I hammered yet? Isn't the vote count at four already?
Adios, amigos. Sorry for being a scummy town member.
Adios, amigos. Sorry for being a scummy town member.
Oh, did Adon cancel?
Look, Gourd, if I could be entirely certain of your innocence then fine. But I don't think I can be, you've changed your tune across the game and you're flying low on the radar. You're one of the minority who didn't vote for Trihan, and though sometimes werewolves are pretty brilliant strategists I think this is one of those games where dumb and dumber are butting heads- ie them and us, so I'm suspicious of those who didn't vote. You're right on everyone's scumdar being broken, though.
I think we should check through YM's posts to see if he/she was hinting at anyone being innocent at any stage. I don't think YM ever got a positive werewolf investigation, which is why he/she never came out as the Seer.
Look, Gourd, if I could be entirely certain of your innocence then fine. But I don't think I can be, you've changed your tune across the game and you're flying low on the radar. You're one of the minority who didn't vote for Trihan, and though sometimes werewolves are pretty brilliant strategists I think this is one of those games where dumb and dumber are butting heads- ie them and us, so I'm suspicious of those who didn't vote. You're right on everyone's scumdar being broken, though.
I think we should check through YM's posts to see if he/she was hinting at anyone being innocent at any stage. I don't think YM ever got a positive werewolf investigation, which is why he/she never came out as the Seer.
I don't think Liberty is werewolf and she sais she believes in Gourd's innocence, so I'll consider lynching either Happy or Kyrsty today. Yet not sure who exactly. My scumdar is completely silent last two days.
Kinda, yet we must finish this game decently. I'll just wait before tomorrow with my final decision.
I have been playing bad in general this game, I'll admit it.
However, Happy's posts do kind of come off as trying too hard, maybe the werewolf is him? With Kyrsty suddenly being a lurker, I was correcting myself as I was borderline on whether or not she actually was lurking. Last I recall everyone kind of decided for themselves whether she was lurking or not so it's really not mind blowing that I may have been wrong.
Also I was voting for Kyrsty because not as many people were considering her anymore for whatever reason so your argument that I'm just following the crowd is incorrect.
However, Happy's posts do kind of come off as trying too hard, maybe the werewolf is him? With Kyrsty suddenly being a lurker, I was correcting myself as I was borderline on whether or not she actually was lurking. Last I recall everyone kind of decided for themselves whether she was lurking or not so it's really not mind blowing that I may have been wrong.
Also I was voting for Kyrsty because not as many people were considering her anymore for whatever reason so your argument that I'm just following the crowd is incorrect.
