[RMVX ACE] ARE THERE ANY GAMES WITHOUT THOSE HORRID DEFAULT SPRITES?

author=Craze
magi i'd prefer random dialog generation to 2k3's "rename the rudras cast" feature

Me too. Good thing I moved on from Rudra and RPG2003 years ago. How is NicoB's game coming along?

Random dialogue generation would be a fantastic level of self-parody. I would be infinitely amused.

Yeah. Why don't we have more tileset rips for VX Ace? It's not any harder. In fact it's easier! It's much easier to convert a 2K3 tileset to VX Ace than to convert an SNES tileset to 2K3. Plus there are actually a pretty good number of tile-based PSX and Saturn/Dreamcast games that could be ripped.

my main problem with rips is that i rarely feel like they're used in a more creative or more appealing way than the source material. with games like rudras, where you traipse inside of giant beasts and ride a blood river into the underworld and and fly to the moon... seeing the same forest done in a subpar manner compared to the original game just seems bland and pointless.

i have given them a lot of shit in the past (despite having used them plenty in the 2k3 days, and pokemon conquest portraits in a contest game), but to be honest it's just a matter of preference. if you use ripped charsets though, at least edit them... that NicoB had art drawn of the unedited rudras characters absolutely baffles me. it's similar to (but worse than) blindmind having an artist do characters standing in front of suikoden 2 areas... i think he's taken all those down though.

i don't think that there's really any winning side to RIPS R GOOD vs RIPS R EVIL, so whatever! i mean i once recolored rudras characters and used phoenix wright portraits as their facesets. so.

Actually I should probably make it into a playlist, right? It'd be a lot less pretentious and feel less like I'm trying to prove a point ;)

Oh! and how could I forget Luxaren Allure? (I was only scanning through Completed Games, that's my excuse ;))

author=Craze
my main problem with rips is that i rarely feel like they're used in a more creative or more appealing way than the source material. with games like rudras, where you traipse inside of giant beasts and ride a blood river into the underworld and and fly to the moon... seeing the same forest done in a subpar manner compared to the original game just seems bland and pointless.

it's similar to (but worse than) blindmind having an artist do characters standing in front of suikoden 2 areas... i think he's taken all those down though.

i don't think that there's really any winning side to RIPS R GOOD vs RIPS R EVIL, so whatever! i mean i once recolored rudras characters and used phoenix wright portraits as their facesets. so.

How is it any different than people making the same overtly bland (and blocky) forest maps, inns, cave dungeons, and an endless assortment of generic shit with the RTP? Haha smells like hypocrisy tbh. We all know that constitutes 80% of the VXA games on RMN. Unless we're talking true indie games, the source of the visuals is about as relevant as the engine (i.e. not very).

As WIP already said, visuals are inseparable (and vital) to the experience of a video game, so obviously the feeling of "sameness" is a valid complaint. But it's idiotic of you to suggest that's only applicable to people who use Rudra rips, as though you have some odd kind of vendetta.

Blindmind

Craze
my main problem with rips is that i rarely feel like they're used in a more creative or more appealing way than the source material. with games like rudras, where you traipse inside of giant beasts and ride a blood river into the underworld and and fly to the moon... seeing the same forest done in a subpar manner compared to the original game just seems bland and pointless.

it's similar to (but worse than) blindmind having an artist do characters standing in front of suikoden 2 areas... i think he's taken all those down though.

i don't think that there's really any winning side to RIPS R GOOD vs RIPS R EVIL, so whatever! i mean i once recolored rudras characters and used phoenix wright portraits as their facesets. so.

How is it any different than people making the same overtly bland (and blocky) forest maps, inns, cave dungeons, and an endless assortment of generic shit with the RTP? Haha smells like hypocrisy tbh. We all know that constitutes 80% of the VXA games on RMN. Unless we're talking true indie games, the source of the visuals is about as relevant as the engine (i.e. not very).

As WIP already said, visuals are inseparable (and vital) to the experience of a video game, so obviously the feeling of "sameness" is a valid complaint. But it's idiotic of you to suggest that's only applicable to people who use Rudra rips, as though you have some odd kind of vendetta.

i mean you cut out the part of my post where i suggested editing and changing sprites up, then go on about the generic shit that's made with every engine ever period. it's just more prominent with vx/ace because we have larger and more tailored-to communities than two boards on GamingW. there will ALWAYS be generic shit.

also i never said it was only applicable to people using rudras rips??? i mention it a lot because forever's end is shit and rudras is my favorite snes game, but i thought it was clear that i was talking about rips overall. (if you want an "odd vendetta", there's your reasoning, bucko)

i also said that there's no winning side to "RIPS vs NO RIPS" so i'm not sure what's so hypocritical about wanting better/more unique usage of graphics in games. i wish people used ALL graphics in cool, new ways (or at least drew from a larger pool). my friend versalia runs a virtual tabletop RP that uses vx ace rtp edits as its backdrops, and he always comes up with awesome edits and changes that raise the source material beyond their original use.

http://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/16862/?post=612510#post612510

http://rpgmaker.net/forums/topics/16862/?post=621474#post621474

seems more interesting than "foggy suikoden forest" but w/e, i'm done with character assassination now ;V

my maps are probably not the coolest or best. i'm not a great mapper, but more recently i've been trying new stuff out (mostly with versa prodding me to experiment with edits and such). i think that's all we can really aim for at this point: encouraging other people to try new things step by step. it could be as simple as editing larger trees into your rtp tilesets, or ripping something from terranigma instead of just suikoden/rudras/seiken densetsu.

ALSO YOU SAID WHERE THE GRAPHICS COME FROM DOESN'T MATTER AND THAT'S SO FALSE. the rtp is just vanilla, meant to be an "everygame" thing. one of the biggest reasons to edit your rtp characters is to make them not just Ralph (unless you're me and try to own the rtp for yourself like an asshole). but when i see surlent from rudras going from being a male undead scholar to a female valkyrie or something (this isn't an attack on balmung, just the first thing to come to mind), i lose a little something. i see surlent, not <that chick>.

and before you rub your "craze is a hypocrite" lotion on your privates again, yeah, i know i used unedited pokemon conquest rips in one of my recent contest games. i am the most despicable human on rmn. flog me, blindmind, for in your eyes i am a sinner.

cashmerecat: that's a game or interactive experience, not a videogame. i mean, if we're gonna get all bothered over semantics...

edit: HEY I HAVE MORE TO SAY

i'm not sure why you think it's so black-and-white, roxas. maybe it's because you're heartless (i think? i dunno i never played that shit) but not only did i admit multiple times to being over RIPS v. NO RIPS, it just... why do people always assume that my opinions are completely one-sided? just because i said "i wish more people would have blood rivers in their games" doesn't mean i'm defending every single ugly-as-sin vx rtp game. i don't mind the rtp itself, but ugly is ugly. shitty mapping and horrible overlays will ruin any map.

...okay maybe it's because i put "RTP" on ultros's arm on my new avatar but c'mon, it's ultros with glasses, i don't think that comes off as being SERIOUS.

anyway continue disliking me and my stance on mapping/everything if you want, it can be mutual! or we could be friendly and i'll bite my tongue instead of saying "ur gam sux omega lol". like, bite my tongue clean off and mail it to you. because friendship. i have plenty of other people to pick on for being more effective jerks than you !!

i use rips and i dunno I'm a p cool guy sometimes