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OF GAMES, REPRESENTATION, AND WOMEN'S CHEEKBONES
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emmych
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Was under the impression that cisgender referred to a societally accepted gender and sexual oriebtation, which would then refer to heterosexuality. So the only connotation is that it refers to hetero lifestyles in the senses that those who are cisgender may not understand what its like to live in a society that does not so easily accept other identities.
Hence the discussion about how cisgender developers portray other orientations.
Sexuality and gender are entirely separate things. You can be straight and trans, you can be queer and cis. You can be trans and queer. These are different things, and people assuming they're the same thing has surprisingly harmful results (aka assuming trans women who like men are just gay men that dress in drag, or that trans women who like women are just straight guys putting on dresses to prey on queer women, etc. etc. etc. you may notice a pattern in that it is usually trans women who are the target of horrible stereotypes and harmful assumptions).
author=emmych
Sexuality and gender are entirely separate things. You can be straight and trans, you can be queer and cis. You can be trans and queer. These are different things, and people assuming they're the same thing has surprisingly harmful results (aka assuming trans women who like men are just gay men that dress in drag, or that trans women who like women are just straight guys putting on dresses to prey on queer women, etc. etc. etc. you may notice a pattern in that it is usually trans women who are the target of horrible stereotypes and harmful assumptions).
If humanity put this much deep, nuanced study and focus on something like inventing cold fusion, or interstellar travel, we'd be in pretty good shape.
author=Sated
PentagonBuddy needs to learn how to be more succinct. None of those posts needed to be so verbose.
I disagree. I find them illuminating and informed. The detailed explanations and backgrounds provided in them are welcome.
If all our pastry chefs were NASA scientists we might have seen more of space but we wouldn't have tiramisu.
What kind of world would that be.
What kind of world would that be.
Alichains
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author=harmonic
If humanity put this much deep, nuanced study and focus on something like inventing cold fusion, or interstellar travel, we'd be in pretty good shape.
I personally can't wait to see your interstellar research papers.
author=slash
If all our pastry chefs were NASA scientists we might have seen moreof spaceexplosions but we wouldn't have tiramisu.
What kind of world would that be.
fix that for ya
"Why aren't people astrophysicists instead of feminists' is just throwing shit at the wall. If you're just here to throw shit at the wall, leave.
Whelp, looks like my life's been a lie and a gigantic waste of time. If only someone had let me know sooner. Time to quit talking on forums and making RPGs. Gotta go cure cancer, terraform Mars, and end world hunger. Away I go! :D
author=harmonic
Lots of patting yourselves on the back this morning for some truly cutting and brilliant responses.
It's an incredibly lazy statement, that's why.
I've already outlined some of my issues with some people who identify as SJW (and even then, I have no issues with social justice itself), but your sentiment is just blase and unintelligent. Basically you're implying that at some point there was this collective shift from astrophysics to social sciences, like a third of NASA up and quit to open up Catelyn Jenner homage blogs or some shit.
Come on, dude. Really?
Kaliesto
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You have two kinds of feminists that someone once told me:
1.) Your average everyday feminists supporting whatever causes
2.) Your pop culture feminists that just want to watch the world burn.
That's just my two cents to this side-conversation, I don't want to take this topic off-course.
Edit:
Also..this applies to the whole "Social Justice" thing, it really has lost all meaning through the mudslinging, and insanity. For example I actually liked the idea Reddit was being purged in recent days of people that are full of hatred, and amongst other things, and they cry social justice about it.
1.) Your average everyday feminists supporting whatever causes
2.) Your pop culture feminists that just want to watch the world burn.
That's just my two cents to this side-conversation, I don't want to take this topic off-course.
Edit:
Also..this applies to the whole "Social Justice" thing, it really has lost all meaning through the mudslinging, and insanity. For example I actually liked the idea Reddit was being purged in recent days of people that are full of hatred, and amongst other things, and they cry social justice about it.
author=Satedauthor=kentonaI'm just saying that the same things could've been said with less words; not that what was said wouldn't be useful to people.author=SatedI disagree. I find them illuminating and informed. The detailed explanations and backgrounds provided in them are welcome.
PentagonBuddy needs to learn how to be more succinct. None of those posts needed to be so verbose.
I can either be clear about what I'm saying, precise in the topic I'm talking about, or succinct in how I say it
usually it's a matter of picking 2
author=Feldschlacht IVauthor=harmonicIt's an incredibly lazy statement, that's why.
Lots of patting yourselves on the back this morning for some truly cutting and brilliant responses.
I've already outlined some of my issues with some people who identify as SJW (and even then, I have no issues with social justice itself), but your sentiment is just blase and unintelligent. Basically you're implying that at some point there was this collective shift from astrophysics to social sciences, like a third of NASA up and quit to open up Catelyn Jenner homage blogs or some shit.
Come on, dude. Really?
I don't always agree with you, Feldschlacht IV, but I respect you. I feel that way about most people on this thread. On the other hand, harmonic's the kind of person I wouldn't even want on my side even if they did agree with me, because all of his words seem to be solely to trigger outrage and misunderstanding and he occasionally makes really really weak, ineffectual statements to do it.
I must admit, I try (key word being try) to avoid this thread because it tends to make me a little bit upset and twists my stomach in knots, but I somehow don't feel so bad about it right now.
A lot of us can't see eye to eye on stuff, but I think for the most part, maybe that's not so bad. I think we get lost in fighting for our own side and wanting to prevent what we feel are the extreme evils of the other side and, in doing so, I think that we miss a lot of common ground.
Like I'm not going to apologize for being feminist and wanting things to get better for women, homosexuals, transsexuals, etc but that doesn't mean I can't stop and appreciate the other side's point of view. I think we're all afraid of extremists on both sides and things going all to pot. And I know it's frustrating for someone to say, "HEY, stop using these words you've used all your lives!"
But that doesn't mean that coming in here and yelling and being outraged is going to help either side. I don't know if it's possible to even speak on this subject in a manner where both sides can be respectful, but the optimistic naive side of me really, really wants it to possible.
emmych
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Harmonic, if you think what I said is ridic deep and nuanced... lmao, man. It's really not. It's social science 101 shit, which HEY while mind blowing to folks who've never thought about it in great detail before (I know my mind got blown when I first learned about it!), is actually not a real radical concept. This is why I was able to sum up the basics in like... a few lines.
Like seriously, man. You have not once ACTUALLY responded to anything anyone has said. You haven't engaged with any points people have made. All you've done is smugly snipe at people. This isn't helpful for having an actual discussion. Are you here to talk, or are you here to jerk off into the void?
Also Sated, man, if you could not quote shit from lesbophobic films that involve men using lesbophobic slurs, that'd be real ace. I have had people use those slurs against me in negative ways and have had more encounters with men who've treated me like shit based on my sexuality than I can count, so like... knock it off, alright?
Like seriously, man. You have not once ACTUALLY responded to anything anyone has said. You haven't engaged with any points people have made. All you've done is smugly snipe at people. This isn't helpful for having an actual discussion. Are you here to talk, or are you here to jerk off into the void?
Also Sated, man, if you could not quote shit from lesbophobic films that involve men using lesbophobic slurs, that'd be real ace. I have had people use those slurs against me in negative ways and have had more encounters with men who've treated me like shit based on my sexuality than I can count, so like... knock it off, alright?
author=Sated
It's not a "lesbophobic" film. It's a film that has a homophobic character who is that way for plot reasons. These are two very different things. So perhaps you should watch it before making a snap judgement?
But hey, way to prove the point some people in this thread are making; that there are people who are so easily offended by certain words that they're incapable of taking situation/context into account first.
:)
It's a film that doesn't understand the definition of the word "lesbian," for one.
And the reason some people think that lesbians that aren't the stereotypical "man hating in-your-face" types you see all over media? Because hiding your orientation is a lot easier than dealing with the shit people will give you for it, especially if people THINK every lesbian is a man-hater.
