[MAFIA] SIMPLE MAFIA FOR NORMAL PEOPLE

I was suspicious of Isrieri at first but after re-reading came to the conclusion that he was probably being just being a vauge & unhelpful town (which was later confirmed when he explained his reasoning- though this was after I took my vote off him.)

I thought Gourd's post was weird, posted about it but held off on the lynch in case someone made a compelling argument for him - which imo hasn't happened and is why I voted to lynch him.

author=Isrieri

author=Cap_H
I wanted to see, if Isri claims cop. I tried to trick him there. I know for a fact there is no cop.

author=Cap_H
I wanted to see, if Isri claims cop. I tried to trick him there. I know for a fact there is no cop.

How does he know? He probably has a role. Which role? Dunno. Could be town, could be a Mafia Goon. The way I see it there are three possibilities:

1) He's telling the truth and he's town. So we shouldn't lynch him.

2) He's a Mafia Goon, which would allow him to deduce for certain that there's no cop, if there are two goons in play. He would know that having access to the scumchat.

3) Or he's lying out his butt. If that were the case, the Cop would know, and he's probably scum.

Either Cap is a PR of scum and thats why he knows this. If he's a PR he'll be killed by the mafia tonight. If he's still alive he's scum and we lynch him tomorrow. Voting for him right now is pointless.

@IF: Jero's less suspicious to me if only because he has the first vote. I don't like successive votes that don't follow the reasoning of the previous ones.

@Ebeth: Yeah, Isrieri is correct there and no one should be voting against Cap_H at this point. But when you publicly state "Let's get Cap tomorrow if he's still alive" it gives scum no incentive to actually kill him. They'd just go after someone else intentionally so you follow ^ that logic, (and he can also be doctor'd and the mafia roleblock'd preventing the kill). By trying to get people on board to kill Cap tomorrow, it looks to me like you're just setting yourself up to target someone else tonight.

If suspicion actually does fall on Cap later he can always claim or something.

I agree with this, Psy.
And I agree that Ebeth's vote on Gourd is not likable and an easy vote for scum to do.
I think that it would slightly clear Jero and it doesn't help my read on Isri at all. But it looks like there's at least one wolf on Gourd right now, unless Gourd is a wolf. Isri and Ebeth looks like our best candidates today.
I'll wait for another comment from Isri before making an ultimate decision.

Trying to get a good feel of everyone's leans for the chart has made me less confident in the Gourd lynch. I don't think Isrieri is scum, but the fact that the only other player backing it is Ebeth, who I can't really get a feel for, doesn't sit well with me.

I'm going to #Cancel for now.



Now there's three players whose rows are almost completely blank here, demonlord, Ebeth and LockeZ. I'd really like to hear your leans in more detail. Gourd's as well.

Alright, done reading.

Ebeth: Seems pretty scummy for the reasons above. Scum could get a free day 2 if they tricked us into focusing someone such as cap just because they have an unspecified role which would be extremely bad for town.

Psy: Always hard to get a read on. I'm pretty neutral toward him right now.

Gouard: I'm pretty confident hes town. he only got focused because of his unique posting style, which made him a prime target. I also suspect scum is voting for him.

Jer: Probably town. You have been doing a lot of work, especially with the chart (which is extremely helpful btw), and I haven't gotten any scum reads off of you.

cap: I'm back to neutral with cap. His knowledge claim could either be town, or it could be scum to gain trust. Given that he has mostly tried to help, I'd slightly lean town, but I don't think it's strong enough to escape my neutral feeling.

If: A good call on his thoughts about gourd I think, so likely town.

Lockez: Typical lockez play and it's hard to get any real read off of him.

Isrieri: Neutral/scum. I have a feeling that if Isrieri turns up town, then ebeth is probably scum.

I'm thinking about switching my vote to ebeth, but I'd also like to see what Isrieri has to say before I change my vote.

author=Jeroen_Sol
Also yes, let's not do the whole "If X lives we kill them" thing where we might give scum two free kills.

Yeah, I mentioned that I hadn't considered the possibility of scum using that to their advantage. We obviously do not have to follow my flawed logic.

Currently - besides Gourd- my only scum leans are IF (he's posted much less than others and when he drops in it usually seems to be him parroting others- a good fly under the radar scum tactic. And there's still a 50/50 chance on Cap as well. I would also like to hear more from LockeZ as well.

author=Jeroen_Sol
But I do agree. I think it's more likely you're both town after that softclaim of yours, which is also part of the reason I want to lynch Gourd.

welp this is the second time jeroen agreed with my basic premise and then decide I needed to die because of it. XD

author=Isrieri
My advice would be to not vote Ebeth because I think Gourd is the better lynch for today. The most suspicious thing she's said was back here, mentioning that her plan was to hang back for day 1. That could be a mafia setup. But she voted me, and then took it back once I explained myself a bit despite that (I think) there was still potential to get a train going on me. So that's evidence enough for me at this moment. I've only played one game with her but this seems consistent with how she acted that time.

So your main reason for ebeth being innocent is that she acted opportunistically when you (think) you could've died then backed off? This doesn't make sense to me. It seems like very suspicious behavior! A scum backing off of a lynch that wasn't gaining traction (yet) sounds well within the bounds of scummmy behavior to me.

author=Isrieri
My advice would be to not vote Ebeth because I think Gourd is the better lynch for today. The most suspicious thing she's said was back here, mentioning that her plan was to hang back for day 1. That could be a mafia setup. But she voted me, and then took it back once I explained myself a bit despite that (I think) there was still potential to get a train going on me. So that's evidence enough for me at this moment. I've only played one game with her but this seems consistent with how she acted that time.

So your main reason for ebeth being innocent is that she acted opportunistically when you (think) you could've died then backed off? This doesn't make sense to me. It seems like very suspicious behavior! A scum backing off of a lynch that wasn't gaining traction (yet) sounds well within the bounds of scummmy behavior to me.

cap has acted a little scummmy today but not sure what to make of it. It hasn't set off any alarms anyway.

demon is inno. I believe his error was real.

Ebeth's suspect behavior was pointed out by isrieri (although he seemed to think it was innocent behavior somehow??) psy and jeroen also have a point that bussin scum day 1 isn't impossible. Maybe ebeth was doing this? not sure yet I'm leaning scum

I still find isri scummy for his original post. His explanation of testing was about what I expected from him and lockeZ even stated explicitly. It was a pretty easy way to explain away his behavior and I don't believe him. I think he wasn't expecting the heat that he got, buckled down intially, then tried to backtrack when things got too much (and when he saw his chance to redirect to me). He's also taking my lack of a vote as a scumtell which, well, it isn't. I explained this (and so did psy). Go ahead and look back at past games I'll wait. I'm gonna vote for him because I don't suspect anyone will be swooping in and killing him (also afraid of getting busy again and losing my opportunity to vote as has happened to me... a few times before). And might as well commit!

#Lynch isrieri