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LockeZ
I'd really like to get rid of LockeZ. His play style is way too unpredictable. He's always like this too. If he ran a country, he'd just kill and imprison people at random until crime stopped.
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Closeauthor=Cap_HIt was in the flavor text of the first post at the beginning of the game.
btw, was there any reason people kept mentioning 2 guns d1?
As for Demonlord's idea, the idea that the scum would decide to send people fake messages instead of performing a nightkill is pretty dumb. Like... no one would never decide to do that.
His claim about having a power that only works if two players target the same person is potentially believable. But I don't really have any reason to actually believe it, unless someone else corroborates it.
So let's corroborate that! Demonlord and whoever his mystery cohort is, target me with your skill tonight, whatever it is. Hopefully it isn't another vigilante kill. I feel like if you're telling the truth, then it probably isn't, because scumkill + gunner + vigilante + double padlock vigilante would be an absolutely insane setup, that's just too many kills.
#cancel
A note on Cave_Dog. In the flavor, he's the one that brings us notes from the Golden Witch. If he's scum, I feel like this would be an example of the game mod unfairly pigeon-holing one of the players.
Take that as you will. Like psy said, it's pointless to speculate on flavor, but bear in mind that in the flavor, he's the one that delivers the bad news.
Take that as you will. Like psy said, it's pointless to speculate on flavor, but bear in mind that in the flavor, he's the one that delivers the bad news.
author=Cap_HI think you've said enough now. Your either scum or so wrong that you're being completely detrimental to the town.
#lynch ESBY
The repeated insistence on day one that Ozzy refusing to vote for Gourd is alarming sticks out like a sore thumb. Also this;
author=Cap_H
It's six people on Gourd. I suggest someone unvotes, so there's no accidental hammer.
author=Cap_H
Ok, reading Cave's posts again I'm not all that sure. I got too many people, who could be wolves and the most likely pack is something like
Gourd + Ozzy + ESBY. Ozzy refusing voting Gourd is alarming and so is esby ending up voting piano for raisins.
Just so we're clear, your logic was "Don't vote for Gourd we don't want accidents, also Gourd is scum."?
If these three names were your most likely pack, why didn't you vote for any of them?
#lynch Cap_H
As Cave pointed out earlier, I'm not very commited.
but that doesn't make your vote any less reactionary.
Also, you're bending the facts here. It was important to give Gourd a chance. And you want to use all time you can. I suspected him, I even unvoted to hammer him later myself.
but that doesn't make your vote any less reactionary.
Also, you're bending the facts here. It was important to give Gourd a chance. And you want to use all time you can. I suspected him, I even unvoted to hammer him later myself.
author=pianotm
A note on Cave_Dog. In the flavor, he's the one that brings us notes from the Golden Witch. If he's scum, I feel like this would be an example of the game mod unfairly pigeon-holing one of the players.
Take that as you will. Like psy said, it's pointless to speculate on flavor, but bear in mind that in the flavor, he's the one that delivers the bad news.
Maybe he's some kind of mouth.
It's a thin ice. Players shouldn't read into it but it's impossible to avoid the thoughts entirely. I think we talked about the flava enough for today and as we were reminded it's nai.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
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author=pianotm
A note on Cave_Dog. In the flavor, he's the one that brings us notes from the Golden Witch. If he's scum, I feel like this would be an example of the game mod unfairly pigeon-holing one of the players.
Take that as you will. Like psy said, it's pointless to speculate on flavor, but bear in mind that in the flavor, he's the one that delivers the bad news.
In the visual novel, the youngest grandchild is a girl who is all about witches and magic and also delivers the letters. So it's most likely just flavour. Most of the flavour seems to be following the visual novel very closely and seems to have very little to do with what's actually happening in this game. Example: Me being distraught over the death of Gourd even though I voted to kill him.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
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author=OzzyTheOne
Agggghh if pianos argument is sound and there are indeed two protectors, it's still hard to believe. Both protectors protecting both the people that claim they were attacked? That could truly just be that rare coincidence but I just can't wrap my head around that actually happening.
This post feels insincere to me. Maybe it's the agggghh at the beginning, but it reads as fake flustered.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
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Just reread all of Esby's posts. They are overly defensive, but they do make sense to me from a new town perspective. I don't trust him, but I'm not really seeing why people have him at the top of their scum list. Would rather kill YM or Ozzy.
author=Cap_H
My new list/reads:
Village
piano -Piano's engaging in discussion, pursuing everyone to explain and reason and he's isn't making fast conclusion. Also, he's always reconsidering things, while being fairly consistent and not random.
I also agree that Muffle's posts seem genuine, to me she also look like new town; tryin their best not to get lynched and trying to figure out who to lynch. But the rest of your list is so full of balloney.
author=Cap_H
jeroen -I liked his activity in the second part of d1. His vote was sub-optimal, tho and his comments today are weaker so far with one exceptions. I agree with the stuff about gourd voters in this comment. I would like to see some townreads to move him in town proper.
His vote was not suboptimal, there were many points raised against Gourd, and even though I disagreed with these because to me Gourd seemed like his usual eager-to-start-the-game-town, Jero's reasoning was not weak in any way, there was only one main suspect on day 1 and he voted on that suspect plain and simple. So far he has contributed nicely to day 2, first off he made that short list of possible scum among the Gourd voters, included me as well in that list because he found my actions outside of the vote suspicious and he also mentioned something else which I see as very important, that two people being attacked does not mean that both are town. I hadn't even considered this possibility when I read through Demonlord's posts. It's very possible that one of the two that got attacked could be scum.
author=Cap_H
LockeZ -He's creating his own opinions rather than following opinions of other people. I find him voting muffle for messing up the vote a typical non-apologetic move from town Locke. The reason he;s not higher is that all of this is not true anymore. In this comment. He's jumping on a wagon other people started and thinking about it he did it with gourd too. Still he was the original voter. Plus this post contains one major contradiction (just read 1st and last line).
What you are saying here makes very little sense, you're basically blaming LockeZ for not following his own opinions and getting his mind changed by possible other ones. How is that a bad thing? Mafia is a game that is all about trying to convince other people of your observations or getting convinced of another player's observations. LockeZ has done both so far, you're just waffling around in your reasoning for LockeZ. As to that post you linked, how was there any contradiction between line 1 and the last line of that post? He said that he was convinced that either Piano or Demonlord were scum and at the end he chose to vote Demonlord. Where is the contradiction? Plus, he was not jumping on any bandwagon just yet, he just agreed with the first solid case proposed by anyone on day two, if anything, I see LockeZ' actions as very productive till now, on day 2 that is.
It seems to me like you're trying to fabricate evidence again like you did on your vote against Cave on day 1.
author=Cap_H
Pancakes
Demonlord -I don't like that he was distracting us from the game today and reading too much in flavour. His vote on gourd was suboptimal too. I'll probably make another separate comment on him. There's a reason I don't want to vote him or go full scum on him just yet.
Ozzy -Ozzy's presence is weak and most of it feels forced. I wouldn't give him any goodie points for unvoting gourd either. He's all over the place too. The reason he's not even lower is because it looks like he's trying to solve the game. He's not trying to dodge questions either.
I can't argue against these reads, except that you're saying that my presence feel weak and forced. Could you be more specific or is it your point to be vague with your reasonings?
author=Cap_H
Yellow Magic -YM started being defensive early without much of a reason (me and piano posting lists). It's like he's actively against solving the game. I'm sure he's not with Cave Dog, tho.
Yellow Magic was not defensive early on, he only got defensive on day 2 when more people where pointing at him, that's not being defensive early on, just a natural reaction. Besides, YM only found your list scummy Cap, because it was a very early list, and I have to agree with his statement that a list that early in the game doesn't help very much.
author=Cap_H
Cave Dog - Both piano and Cave Dog are still alive. With piano being such a strong townread of mine I gotta suspect him. But I liked his EOD. I'm still not over his early defense of muffle, which felt as scummy pocketing to me.
Piano and Cave both being alive speaks against Cave... what? I don't find his early defense of Muffle that suspicious but I agree that it could be him just trying to look better. But I would still want more clarification as to why it's bad for Cave's case that Piano and him are alive at the same time.
author=Cap_H
ESBY -He's just going against crowd without thinking about it too much. Basically his attitude and the throwaway vote. He haven't posted any quality content yet. It's not like he's trying to solve the game.
#vote ESBY
Esby made a valid point when pointing out the sudden agreement between LockeZ' vote and Muffle's. He doesn't seem like scum to me, more like a neutral that doesn't care that much about what happens to town, that does not paint him as scum in my eyes, just as a unhelpful neutral. His excuse for not voting Gourd is also sound, if he were scum, he would've gone along with the rather easy lynch on Gourd.
This list feels like your earlier vote on Cave on day 1, where you straight out lied when voting for him. You sir, are scum in my eyes.
#cancel
#lynch Cap_H
Having said that, if you want to elaborate on your oranges some more, you might sway my opinion, but this list is filled with inconsistencies plus the lie on day 1 against Cave makes this list look even more made up.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
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I think Cap's point is that with both Piano and CAVE being strong players, scum would want to nightkill them, thus them being alive is suspicious?
Which isn't true btw. I agree with Cap's townread of Piano. But Piano even claimed he was attacked, so it's quite likely scum did try to nightkill him. That's a nulltell on Cave. Cave could be scum trying to kill Piano, but he could just as well be town that just didn't get targeted.
Which isn't true btw. I agree with Cap's townread of Piano. But Piano even claimed he was attacked, so it's quite likely scum did try to nightkill him. That's a nulltell on Cave. Cave could be scum trying to kill Piano, but he could just as well be town that just didn't get targeted.
why are multiple people trying to point to me defending a player who hasn't flipped as some kind of a scumtell. are you more sure of muffles' alignment than I am?
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
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Wait, somebody other than Cap did that? I missed that.
author=OzzyTheOne
Piano and Cave both being alive speaks against Cave... what? I don't find his early defense of Muffle that suspicious but I agree that it could be him just trying to look better. But I would still want more clarification as to why it's bad for Cave's case that Piano and him are alive at the same time.
demonlord5000
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@cap
I meant esby as more of a throwaway vote due to no contributions, so I tossed him down there with scum. Couldn't think of what to put at the time to signify that.
I reconsidered ozzy because he wasn't voting for gourd at the end. I know that isn't really a clear indicator though, and that's why I put I'd still be watching him.
@lockez
I slept on it, and I'm just going to reveal my power. The odds of me and mystery person x targeting the same person are close to nil. I am the protector. I am told one source of protection does nothing, and I know it doesn't stack over different night phases, so the only other possibility is a second defender in the game. This is how I knew that there are two defenders in the game, and I was guessing piano rolled the same for my theory, but I don't actually know that for sure.
I focused on the pm kill attempts way too much the other day. I targeted cave last night for protection. I don't know who the other defender targeted, but I was thinking it was close to zero that they focused on the same person, so I was looking elsewhere for answers.
I'd say ym or esby would be my lynch choices right now, though tunger has been suspiciously quiet this second day phase.
I meant esby as more of a throwaway vote due to no contributions, so I tossed him down there with scum. Couldn't think of what to put at the time to signify that.
I reconsidered ozzy because he wasn't voting for gourd at the end. I know that isn't really a clear indicator though, and that's why I put I'd still be watching him.
@lockez
I slept on it, and I'm just going to reveal my power. The odds of me and mystery person x targeting the same person are close to nil. I am the protector. I am told one source of protection does nothing, and I know it doesn't stack over different night phases, so the only other possibility is a second defender in the game. This is how I knew that there are two defenders in the game, and I was guessing piano rolled the same for my theory, but I don't actually know that for sure.
I focused on the pm kill attempts way too much the other day. I targeted cave last night for protection. I don't know who the other defender targeted, but I was thinking it was close to zero that they focused on the same person, so I was looking elsewhere for answers.
I'd say ym or esby would be my lynch choices right now, though tunger has been suspiciously quiet this second day phase.
psy_wombats
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Current vote count:
(with 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch)
demonlord5000 - 0:OzzyTheOne, LockeZ
OzzyTheOne - 0:pianotm
ESBY - 1: Cap_H
Cap_H - 2: ESBY, OzzyTheOne
Time remaining:
(with 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch)
demonlord5000 - 0:
OzzyTheOne - 0:
ESBY - 1: Cap_H
Cap_H - 2: ESBY, OzzyTheOne
Time remaining:
i'm still reading through the thread and i don't know if anyone else has expressed this but I'm probably gonna be around for none of these deadlines, past the first one.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
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Does that mean 6 hours earlier or later? If later, then I definitely won't be around for the deadlines.
author=CAVE_DOG_IS_BACK
why are multiple people trying to point to me defending a player who hasn't flipped as some kind of a scumtell. are you more sure of muffles' alignment than I am?
I'm not.
You're right it shouldn't be a real scumtell. I just don't know how to tell that I don't have any reason to townread you and no real evidence to scumread you.
@demonlord, why don't you vote ESBY, then?
