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CloseHonestly, I don't have much else to say that can defend my claim. I just hope that some of you will believe me. All I can do now is basically plead not to lynch me because I am not lying about any of this, but that would just make me seem scummy desperate. So I just hope that some of you believe me and decide not to lynch me otherwise I'm sure the Mafia wins. But it's all up to you, Sol has a good reason to want to lynch me with the lack of players here.
I'm sure the Mafia would be all for lynching me too. So if Sol decides to lynch me and two others that are Mafia (assuming Sol isn't Mafia) then I'm as good as dead. I've said all that I can.
I'm sure the Mafia would be all for lynching me too. So if Sol decides to lynch me and two others that are Mafia (assuming Sol isn't Mafia) then I'm as good as dead. I've said all that I can.
author=Muffle
Honestly, I don't have much else to say that can defend my claim. I just hope that some of you will believe me. All I can do now is basically plead not to lynch me because I am not lying about any of this, but that would just make me seem scummy desperate. So I just hope that some of you believe me and decide not to lynch me otherwise I'm sure the Mafia wins. But it's all up to you, Sol has a good reason to want to lynch me with the lack of players here.
I'm sure the Mafia would be all for lynching me too. So if Sol decides to lynch me and two others that are Mafia (assuming Sol isn't Mafia) then I'm as good as dead. I've said all that I can.
Before any of you say anything about my previous statement saying I'm acting desperate and definitely scum, that's not what I'm trying to do. This is me saying I give up if others agree to lynch me. Because there's nothing else I can do but give up.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
3885
My problem with your claim is that I think it's very weird given the fact we have gunmen who need to gang up on people to kill them.
You say you don't die if you successfully defend yourself, but then what if two gunmen attack you and you suspect one of them? Do you only kill the one you suspected and the kill on you fails?
You say you don't die if you successfully defend yourself, but then what if two gunmen attack you and you suspect one of them? Do you only kill the one you suspected and the kill on you fails?
I honestly don't know Sol. I wasn't given that information, and I haven't successfully hit anybody. My first day I suspected Esby, and the last two days I suspected Cap. Last night was the first time I had gotten attacked.
Since I didn't know until you had said something about two gunmen attacking one person it never crossed my mind, it'd probably make sense I'd only kill one of them and die by the other. But I legit don't know.
I'm guessing I was either protected or only one of the gunners attacked me, so, therefore, it wasn't a successful kill. Or maybe it was just flavor text, though I don't see why I'd be sent a PM about me being attacked and it just being flavor text.
I won't be around for the rest of the day, so don't find it suspicious if I don't reply if somebody calls me out or asks me questions. Should be back late afternoon.
Before reading new comments,
I don't consider Jero and Demon. So, it's either one of YM and Muffle or both of them. But if I consider that this game had lovers in it and that docs and vigilantes are nerfed, it wouldn't make much of a sense. So, I think there's exactly one wolf left. Also, YM went after Muffle hard.
Both YM and Muffle were more hesitant than the rest of players when it came to voting Ozzy. YM also tried to shift our attention towards Muffle. He posted that he was ready to hammer, but he didn't do it.
Also I'm quite sure that he's the last gun shareholder:
I think that it would make sense for the last gunner to be mafia.
And then, there is this part, when he tried to connect muffle and ozzy. If he's town, this is probably reason I'm alive.
He's convinced about Ozzy being scum here, maybe little too much, and connects him to muffle immediately. On the other hand the way he does it is consistent with his previous reads, which suspected muffle more than for example Ozzy. So, it could be either way.
For now YM's my main suspect. I don't remember any communication with ozzy before Ozzy was spotlighted. I remember his early game being quite stale and his progression on Muffle little too thick-headed.
Only other person, which could be wolf is Muffle and I need to make a new read on her based on her more current comments. I'm still standing behind my cheap statements from the beginning of the game, but she looks like an ideal packmate of Ozzy in so many ways but one. Her communication with ozzy felt natural. Her concerns real. So, that brings me back to YM.
I don't consider Jero and Demon. So, it's either one of YM and Muffle or both of them. But if I consider that this game had lovers in it and that docs and vigilantes are nerfed, it wouldn't make much of a sense. So, I think there's exactly one wolf left. Also, YM went after Muffle hard.
Both YM and Muffle were more hesitant than the rest of players when it came to voting Ozzy. YM also tried to shift our attention towards Muffle. He posted that he was ready to hammer, but he didn't do it.
Also I'm quite sure that he's the last gun shareholder:
author=Yellow Magic
PS it doesn't make sense for witches to have guns or for Mafia to have separate killing abilities, so I'm fairly sure Jeroen is town, for what it's worth. So if there IS another gunner around, it's best to align with Jeroen.
I think that it would make sense for the last gunner to be mafia.
And then, there is this part, when he tried to connect muffle and ozzy. If he's town, this is probably reason I'm alive.
author=Yellow Magicauthor=Jeroen_SolOzzy hadn't said anything about Muffle for days, until I prompted him
Would Ozzy buddy up to Muffle while on the chopping block if Muffle is his scumbuddy? I don't know about that.
He's convinced about Ozzy being scum here, maybe little too much, and connects him to muffle immediately. On the other hand the way he does it is consistent with his previous reads, which suspected muffle more than for example Ozzy. So, it could be either way.
For now YM's my main suspect. I don't remember any communication with ozzy before Ozzy was spotlighted. I remember his early game being quite stale and his progression on Muffle little too thick-headed.
Only other person, which could be wolf is Muffle and I need to make a new read on her based on her more current comments. I'm still standing behind my cheap statements from the beginning of the game, but she looks like an ideal packmate of Ozzy in so many ways but one. Her communication with ozzy felt natural. Her concerns real. So, that brings me back to YM.
author=Jeroen_Sol
I had a bad feeling something like this would happen when piano said his role was detrimental, linked himself to LockeZ and refused to roleclaim.
I'm surprised he was even considering Ozzy's claim. Lovers and Suicide Vote would be a total overkill in one game.
author=Jeroen_Sol
I'm going to take YM's claim he can confirm himself at face value for now. I do hope he will actually do it, because that narrows the possible scum down to just Cap and Muffle.
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As I pointed out I think that he hinted his role, when talking about gunners.
author=Jeroen_Sol
YM made a very good point yesterday. Before he asked Ozzy about Muffle, he hadn't even mentioned her name since this post, 6 whole irl days ago. Muffle's posts yesterday have also been very disgruntled in a way that makes me question how legit that disgruntlement really was, throwing ugghs and arghs in places where they didn't need to be.
One thing I've also noticed is that both Ozzy and Muffle have thrown the word livid about. Example: Ozzy in this post, Muffle in this post and this post. Copying each other's vocabulary is a thing that could very well happen if they shared a scumchat.
Ozzy reacted on some of Muffle's posts. And she talked about him a whole lot. I'm still not sure how new she's to the game, but she probably would avoid talking about him so much if she were his packmate. Like pointing out his activity here during d2:
author=Muffle
These decisions seem to be getting rash. Ozzy shows up for the first time today and automatically lynches Demonlord. Piano automatically lynches Ozzy for saying one thing. <.> Shouldn't we try to find some more evidence against these people?
author=Jeroen_Sol
My problem with your claim is that I think it's very weird given the fact we have gunmen who need to gang up on people to kill them.
You say you don't die if you successfully defend yourself, but then what if two gunmen attack you and you suspect one of them? Do you only kill the one you suspected and the kill on you fails?
She's definitely confused about the roles. Also, I don't really like her claim (nerfed watcher). The third informative role in the game's unlikely.
Jeroen_Sol
Nothing reveals Humanity so well as the games it plays. A game of betrayal, where the most suspicious person is brutally murdered? How savage.
3885
Yes, YM must be the last gunman. I came to the same conclusion.
I am a paranoiac, so I can suspect and defend and kill someone if they try to kill me
This makes zero sense as a Town role.
With all due respect (and she's played a pretty good game up to now), Muffle is so obviously Mafia at this point, the only people who could think otherwise are probably Mafia too.
Actually, it does make sense when I think about it. My bad. BUT in this context I'm a bit wary:
This doesn't help your cause, as it would have been pretty obvious that it was I who attacked you and I should thus be dead by now.
But last night was the first time I got attacked, but it seems to have failed for some reason.
This doesn't help your cause, as it would have been pretty obvious that it was I who attacked you and I should thus be dead by now.
demonlord5000
680
I just got home a minute ago. I'm still reading through the thread but I did not defend muffle last night. In fact I don't even know if there is another defender in game for my power to work.
I find the claim that muffle got attacked suspicious because the other gunman knows you weren't going to fire, but at the same time they could have fired knowing muffle would tell us.
I'll post more in a minute when I'm done reading.
I find the claim that muffle got attacked suspicious because the other gunman knows you weren't going to fire, but at the same time they could have fired knowing muffle would tell us.
I'll post more in a minute when I'm done reading.
demonlord5000
680
I actually find muffles claim feasible just because a bunch of other nerfed roles are in the game. I don't think she knows enough about the game to fake that claim (unless google which is a possibility). The reason I think muffles power might of failed (assuming what she said is true), is because it was not a successful attack to begin with.
On the other hand, we have yellow who admits to firing on muffle. I'm still debating how I feel about that because we all knew jero wasn't going to fire. I don't think yellow is scum though because 3 mafia at this point in time makes no sense.
Which means muffle is either telling the truth, or she has the night-kill ability. We know yellow is the gunner now, so if muffle isn't scum, then cap is.
On the other hand, we have yellow who admits to firing on muffle. I'm still debating how I feel about that because we all knew jero wasn't going to fire. I don't think yellow is scum though because 3 mafia at this point in time makes no sense.
Which means muffle is either telling the truth, or she has the night-kill ability. We know yellow is the gunner now, so if muffle isn't scum, then cap is.
demonlord5000
680
I'm contemplating the idea of where we lynch one of them, and shoot the other if we guess wrong. If muffles claim is true then it would be safer to shoot cap. In this scenario, if we lynch incorrectly then there will be a nightkill, but we should still have enough town players left to where we win the game.
This only works if we trust the fact that their are only 2 scum and not 3.
This only works if we trust the fact that their are only 2 scum and not 3.
Got back early because fuck Marvel bullshit.
How does this not help my cause, just out of curiosity? I suspected Cap, I got no text about you. All I know is I was attacked and they failed to do it, for some reason I'm not sure of. We just now figured out you're a gunner. You would not be dead because I did not suspect you (which I honestly had thought about doing before going after Cap a second time, silly me.) If I had suspected you and you had attacked you would be dead.
About the copying vocabulary. I just want to point out me and Ozzy chat constantly in PM almost every day for over a month now. So even if I was in chat with Mafia, it'd be likely I picked it up before then. Also, I like the sound of livid more than mad because it sounds more serious, though I'm not sure if that means anything to ya'll.
author=Yellow Magic
Actually, it does make sense when I think about it. My bad. BUT in this context I'm a bit wary:
But last night was the first time I got attacked, but it seems to have failed for some reason.
This doesn't help your cause, as it would have been pretty obvious that it was I who attacked you and I should thus be dead by now.
How does this not help my cause, just out of curiosity? I suspected Cap, I got no text about you. All I know is I was attacked and they failed to do it, for some reason I'm not sure of. We just now figured out you're a gunner. You would not be dead because I did not suspect you (which I honestly had thought about doing before going after Cap a second time, silly me.) If I had suspected you and you had attacked you would be dead.
About the copying vocabulary. I just want to point out me and Ozzy chat constantly in PM almost every day for over a month now. So even if I was in chat with Mafia, it'd be likely I picked it up before then. Also, I like the sound of livid more than mad because it sounds more serious, though I'm not sure if that means anything to ya'll.
In case I wasn't clear:
I will only kill the attacker if I suspect them. So since I suspected Cap last night who did not attack me and YM attacked me, because I did not suspect YM they are still alive. If I had suspected YM last night when they shot me, this morning they would have been on the deceased list. It's a rather useless ability in some ways because you're relying on random and guesses. I guess I'm still alive because it wasn't a successful shoot though.
I'm sort of new to Mafia, and very new to this type. This game has me very confused because my first Mafia game had very different roles which weren't detrimental. Also, the game was over if all the town were killed, or all the Mafia were killed. That's why I've been so confused because this game is so much different. More different than I expected. Reasons why I'm being as cautious as I can be: 1. I helped shoot Gourd off and I still feel awful about it. 2. My first game the Mafia won because my stupidass believed the last Mafia and lynched my last town member, and the Mafia ended up shooting me that night. (and I lynched off my protector -.- I was a medium)
I came in thinking it'd be mostly the same. It has me in awe that two shooters have to shoot the same person for it to be a success. I've never heard of most of the roles here. So I think it's reasonable for me to be confused in some situations.
I will only kill the attacker if I suspect them. So since I suspected Cap last night who did not attack me and YM attacked me, because I did not suspect YM they are still alive. If I had suspected YM last night when they shot me, this morning they would have been on the deceased list. It's a rather useless ability in some ways because you're relying on random and guesses. I guess I'm still alive because it wasn't a successful shoot though.
I'm sort of new to Mafia, and very new to this type. This game has me very confused because my first Mafia game had very different roles which weren't detrimental. Also, the game was over if all the town were killed, or all the Mafia were killed. That's why I've been so confused because this game is so much different. More different than I expected. Reasons why I'm being as cautious as I can be: 1. I helped shoot Gourd off and I still feel awful about it. 2. My first game the Mafia won because my stupidass believed the last Mafia and lynched my last town member, and the Mafia ended up shooting me that night. (and I lynched off my protector -.- I was a medium)
I came in thinking it'd be mostly the same. It has me in awe that two shooters have to shoot the same person for it to be a success. I've never heard of most of the roles here. So I think it's reasonable for me to be confused in some situations.
I misread that Paranoic is an actual case in muffle's case.
Yes, that would be a fucked up ability as It might make the game mighty swingy.
The third protector would make sense as there are 3 gunguys.
@demonlord, is there any reason you don't consider a possibility of gunman being a wolf?
Yes, that would be a fucked up ability as It might make the game mighty swingy.
author=demonlord5000
I just got home a minute ago. I'm still reading through the thread but I did not defend muffle last night. In fact I don't even know if there is another defender in game for my power to work.
The third protector would make sense as there are 3 gunguys.
@demonlord, is there any reason you don't consider a possibility of gunman being a wolf?
