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[MAFIA] THE RESISTANCE: AVALON MAFIA - GAME ON
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Gourd_Clae
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Close@piano I don't even know what this post is it mostly just feels like mocking. Why don't you actually enage with it?
To respond as best I can, I'm going to assume piano acknowledges that YM was quiet: I do not believe the reason you said you were lynching him and it didn't read like that when you actually cast your vote. When you cast your vote, you listed his quietness as a REASON you were voting for him. I believe you were just being opportunistic.
Also, there were better reasons up in my post than these.
To respond as best I can, I'm going to assume piano acknowledges that YM was quiet: I do not believe the reason you said you were lynching him and it didn't read like that when you actually cast your vote. When you cast your vote, you listed his quietness as a REASON you were voting for him. I believe you were just being opportunistic.
author=pianotm
I will admit that at this point, I'm becoming less enthusiastic about YM. He's barely there, and this no-metagaming bullshit and then ignoring people's opinions because it's metagaming is really starting to get on my nerves.
Yellow Magic. Find some time in your busy schedule to start playing the game you signed up for!
#lynch YellowMagic
Also, there were better reasons up in my post than these.
Gourd_Clae
@piano I don't even know what this post is it mostly just feels like mocking. Why don't you actually enage with it?
Sorry, I just saw how easily I could tear your post to shreds, so I did.
To respond as best I can, I'm going to assume piano acknowledges that YM was quiet: I do not believe the reason you said you were lynching him and it didn't read like that when you actually cast your vote.I do not acknowledge he was being quiet. I will say that he wasn't engaging with the rest of us.
When you cast your vote, you listed his quietness as a REASON you were voting for him. I believe you were just being opportunistic.
Taken out of context, it can look like it, but absolutely deny that that was the reason for the lynch vote. He could find enough time out of his busy schedule to scum hunt Muffle, psy, and PA, which he did, and the Muffle scumhunt led to the day 2 fiasco. That's the opposite of quiet. He did not have enough time in his busy schedule to actually interact with us beyond telling us to stop metagaming. No matter what universe you live in, this behavior is anti-town.
As for the IF lynch, I'm going to have to ask you to clarify why that's scummy.
The post above, in which you clearly say YM is not playing the game, is *after* he scumhunted muffle. He did that around pg 17. You said the quote above on page 28ish. Was he playing or not? Was he quiet or not? To me, it sounds like you're quibbling with vernacular and mispresenting the argument you made in the past.
I don't care if you call it quiet or "not playing" or whatever, but you are clearly contradicting yourself and revising the reason you were voting for him earlier.
The IF lynch isn't weird by itself, I just think you've been acting strange all game, and also somehow everyone on who voted for IF is still alive. there's no way scum was not on that bandwagon day 1. And I believe in the towniness of basically everyone who was on it but you.
#Lynch Piano because it is becoming more convincing the more you speak.
I don't care if you call it quiet or "not playing" or whatever, but you are clearly contradicting yourself and revising the reason you were voting for him earlier.
The IF lynch isn't weird by itself, I just think you've been acting strange all game, and also somehow everyone on who voted for IF is still alive. there's no way scum was not on that bandwagon day 1. And I believe in the towniness of basically everyone who was on it but you.
#Lynch Piano because it is becoming more convincing the more you speak.
author=pianotm
I will admit that at this point, I'm becoming less enthusiastic about YM. He's barely there, and this no-metagaming bullshit and then ignoring people's opinions because it's metagaming is really starting to get on my nerves.
Yellow Magic. Find some time in your busy schedule to start playing the game you signed up for!
#lynch YellowMagic
In case it's not clear what post I'm referring to.
demonlord5000
Meanwhile psy has talked about ignoring minor scum entirely. This could also work, but the risk here is that there is no mordred, and then late game we have no choice but to hit the possible assassin when there are fewer players. Given this scenario though, I would think assassin would try to stay hidden until later game when the potential targets are narrowed. For this reason, I doubt PA is the assassin. Given it wouldn't make sense for any other scum role to risk dying, I want to say hes probably town.
Here's demonlord saying that psy has advocated ignoring minor scum, but then, he acts like an idiot when I suggest we directly hunt for Mordred? Why the contradictions?
author=demonlord5000
I'm willing to belize ozzy is lancealot. In the event that this was a three scum game as predicted, and ozzy were scum, I could see him proposing that we have merlin revealing themselves for the situation where we lynch one scum, ozzy dies for merlin, then we lynch the last scum before they get a nk. The fact ozzy didn't propose this plan makes me think he's telling the truth. I would not recommend doing this though because there is still a slight chance I'm wrong and he got away with lying, and because if there is a mordred in this game, none of us knows who it is yet.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around this post. Are you lowkey implying for Merlin to reveal themselves? That's no good.
I've pretty much said the same thing as Gourd that there was definetely some scum in that IF bandwagon. And I myself am now also perplexed by the fact that everyone in the IF vote is still alive, like, what? How did we allow that to happen? I also share some of Gourd's feeling that there's something off with Piano. I have been feeling off about him for multiple times during this game and it might be no coincidence. I am assuming Demonlord and Piano are scum with Piano potentially as Mordred.
I still don't like that weird plan that Demonlord lowkey proposed, but my gut is telling me there's something off with Piano. Then again, it also told me there was something off with Psy but now I feel better about him.
Regardless, I'm going back to my initial theory that Odd was killed because he read Piano as scum.
#lynch Pianotm
I'm gonna go back and read through as much as possible before I go to bed and see if I can see all the angles.
I still have no idea what to think about PA, I only recently suspected him again due to the implication of scum having being away when YM was lynched and that there was no night kill, but this might've been me suspecting him on a whim rather than properly thinking it through, I was in the midst of trying to deliver a game for deadline after all.
demonlord5000
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Been busy most of the day. Seems a good bit of discussion happened while I was away. Teams already set so nothing for me to do there.
Piano's thing with yellow + adding them to a team just looked like bad playing to me. I don't think scum would go for such an obvious misplay. I'm with lockez that looking at that doesn't really do much for us.
Seems a lot of the debate is between piano and gourd. Gourds main argument is against the ym lynch....whom was barely active so I don't think pianos lynch was unreasonable. YM literally did nothing the whole game. As for gourds point on us haven't lynched anyone in that list, it's probably because of people quitting the game every single dayphase.
Piano, how have I not been consistant? I've constantly said i'm suspicious of psy for that reason. Ignoring minor scum means the possibility of leaving in an assassin when there are fewer players, which is a very bad idea in a no mordred scenario.
Ozzy, that plan only works if a fakeclaimed lancealot proposed it. I was saying the fact you didn't propose it looks more town. No where in that post did I say we should go with that plan, in fact I even said it'd be a bad idea.
I'm a bit torn on who I want to lynch. I don't particularly think pianos vote on ym is any sort of tell given ym was basically a non-player, but I am noticing piano is being noticable more aggressive after gourds argument.
Piano's thing with yellow + adding them to a team just looked like bad playing to me. I don't think scum would go for such an obvious misplay. I'm with lockez that looking at that doesn't really do much for us.
Seems a lot of the debate is between piano and gourd. Gourds main argument is against the ym lynch....whom was barely active so I don't think pianos lynch was unreasonable. YM literally did nothing the whole game. As for gourds point on us haven't lynched anyone in that list, it's probably because of people quitting the game every single dayphase.
Piano, how have I not been consistant? I've constantly said i'm suspicious of psy for that reason. Ignoring minor scum means the possibility of leaving in an assassin when there are fewer players, which is a very bad idea in a no mordred scenario.
Ozzy, that plan only works if a fakeclaimed lancealot proposed it. I was saying the fact you didn't propose it looks more town. No where in that post did I say we should go with that plan, in fact I even said it'd be a bad idea.
I'm a bit torn on who I want to lynch. I don't particularly think pianos vote on ym is any sort of tell given ym was basically a non-player, but I am noticing piano is being noticable more aggressive after gourds argument.
Piano, how have I not been consistant? I've constantly said i'm suspicious of psy for that reason. Ignoring minor scum means the possibility of leaving in an assassin when there are fewer players, which is a very bad idea in a no mordred scenario.
OH NO! You're misreading that! I'm not accusing you of being inconsistent! I'm accusing psy!
OzzyTheOne
Regardless, I'm going back to my initial theory that Odd was killed because he read Piano as scum.
[Ozzy's Lynch Vote]
It would be nice if you gave me something to defend against ANY of your lynch votes. So far, your only case has been oddRABBIT is dead and he's only accused me. Let's look at his accusation just for shits and giggles.
oddRABBIT
So far, Piano gives me an odd feeling, but that isn"t backed up by anything and is simply random.
I'm supposed to have night killed him over this. This is just insulting. I mean really insulting. If you weren't Lancelot, I'd swear you were scum. Are you really so full of yourself that you think I'm so beneath you that I'd make noob play like this?
author=demonlord5000
Piano's thing with yellow + adding them to a team just looked like bad playing to me. I don't think scum would go for such an obvious misplay. I'm with lockez that looking at that doesn't really do much for us.
Alright, fair enough. I still think the breakdown of his normally pretty logical thinking is alarming in and of itself, but if multiple people think this doesn't mean much then maybe it doesn't.
author=demonlord5000
Seems a lot of the debate is between piano and gourd. Gourds main argument is against the ym lynch...
I don't think this is a fair evaluation of my argument. I think you should also consider odd was suspicious of piano and might been presumed Merlin based off of this and other factors. That may have been why he was killed! I also brought up the lack of nk after YM's lynch. I think scum team thought he was Merlin, and coincidentally piano is linked to that incident as well.
It's very possible that people dropping is why no one on IF's bandwagon was lynched but that doesn't negate that scum was probably on the list of people who voted IF. piano is on that list and, imo, was being weird around when it happened.
I enourage you to chew on it a little more. I can understand you thinking my main argument was all about YM, but that's just because that's initially all piano acknowledged after I made my case (you know, after I had to prompt him to take me seriously). If nothing else, I think his weird revisionism after I accused him warrants looking into.
Gourd_Clae
I don't think this is a fair evaluation of my argument. I think you should also consider odd was suspicious of piano and might been presumed Merlin based off of this and other factors. That may have been why he was killed! I also brought up the lack of nk after YM's lynch. I think scum team thought he was Merlin, and coincidentally piano is linked to that incident as well.
It's very possible that people dropping is why no one on IF's bandwagon was lynched but that doesn't negate that scum was probably on the list of people who voted IF. piano is on that list and, imo, was being weird around when it happened.
@Ozzy If you want to scum hunt me over oddRABBIT, this is the argument you should be using.
author=pianotmoddRABBIT
So far, Piano gives me an odd feeling, but that isn"t backed up by anything and is simply random.
You're msirepresenting this also. I posted odd's reads before and
1. You're the first read he has, and it ain't positive
2. He says you're weird multiple times in that post but you're only showing him saying it the one time
3. If odd *was* merlin, he would not have been obvious about it, especially if you hadn't done anything noteworthy. It is not a leap of logic, as scum, to think: "He mentioned me, negatively, for no reason. He also seems to be breadrumbing that he is Merlin. He may be worth a nightkill."
Well then, let's grab the whole thing.
So, help me out here. Weird feeling. What's so damning about this post against me?
oddRABBIT
I'm just joining the bandwagon on this one, I liked the logic, and it seemed pointless to not accept it.
Uh, in terms of reads... So far, Piano gives me an odd feeling, but that isn"t backed up by anything and is simply random.
So far, I do think Muffle is suspicious because of her weird Merlin-is-Psy statement, so I agree with Ozzy there. It may have been a slip-up on her part, but I do think it to be really suspicious.
LockeZ feels like a strong town to me, same with Psy. They both have been really helpful to town, and have put in a lot of input. I would put Piano in this section aa well, but once again, weird feeling.
Ozzy still feels suspicious to me, but the majority of people think he's Lancelot? If that's the case, he's basically confirmed town I think?
I do think scum missing the night kill was strange. Probably they did hit Lancelot, but there's another super stupid way for them to have missed a nightkill, which is that Oberon, the traitor or whatever you all called him, is the only one allowed to regularly nightkill, after all his fellow Minions of Mordred are dead. I highly, highly doubt this is the case, though. That would leave Mafia at a huge disadvantage the entire game.
So, uh, that's my thoughts thus far. If any questions are asked of me, I'll try to.respond as soon as possible. I'll also try to hwlp out when possible.
So, help me out here. Weird feeling. What's so damning about this post against me?
I explained above what I didn't like about it.
You could interpret it as completely harmless and wishy washy, but odd didn't say much in the first place so I think a scum player that is hypervigilant for merlin would see that post and think to themself:
"This player is accusing me for no reason, it's possible that they have outside information because they are merlin. Additionally, he could be withdrawn in order to protect himself if he is such an important role. If there are no better options, I will nk him."
You could interpret it as completely harmless and wishy washy, but odd didn't say much in the first place so I think a scum player that is hypervigilant for merlin would see that post and think to themself:
"This player is accusing me for no reason, it's possible that they have outside information because they are merlin. Additionally, he could be withdrawn in order to protect himself if he is such an important role. If there are no better options, I will nk him."
Again, you're splitting hairs. Ozzy's argument had nothing to do with Merlin hunting. He makes it pretty plain that the reason he thinks I'm the one that killed odd is because he suspected me. He mentions me and says I feel weird. Who did it better? Kylaila said she feels weird about me, too, and she's still alive!
You're using my argument against Ozzy to claim I'm misrepresentin'. Considering that Ozzy's only claim against me was that I was trying to get rid of someone that suspected me, it sounds like you're misrepresentin'. Anyhoo, I got to be up no later than 7 so I have to get ready for bed. I'll check back before I go to bed.
You're using my argument against Ozzy to claim I'm misrepresentin'. Considering that Ozzy's only claim against me was that I was trying to get rid of someone that suspected me, it sounds like you're misrepresentin'. Anyhoo, I got to be up no later than 7 so I have to get ready for bed. I'll check back before I go to bed.
Hi,
I'm little behind, getting free Wi-Fi in Amsterdam is more conditional than expected (there's free Wi-Fi almost everywhere, it's just not always simple to get connected to it).
Hm, through the process of elimination there are very few people remaining, who can be Mordred if all info's true. There probably are 2 wolves left with one of them possibly being Mordred.
Kylaila is kinda scummy jumping on Gourd. Especially after finding Piano suspicious circa 36 hours ago. I don't really see her progression in that posts, it's like she's swayed by public opinion on an easy target. I still have her as a townread, but this makes me worry. Maybe I underestimated her.
@Gourd, I hope the interview turned out well. I also hope it's _just_ a summer or half-time job and that school goes well.
Also, I find your Piano case appealing. Another player who's good at picking up breadcrumbs would be Psy. But Piano would make more sense in this case as he possibly tried to pocket odd D1 by building up a townread on him, only to find himself at the bottom.
But it would only make sense if Piano is a non-mordred scum, who got afraid of Odd's perfect read.
Piano's response to the case was dismisive and not really in piano's favour.
Right now he feels little like wolf caught for wrong reasons.
Also, one thing someone probably said already. If this is a scenario without Mordred, succeeding missions is pointless.
Also, Hero have you seen Rembrandt in Rijksmuseum yet? 20 euro isn't the lowest admission...
I'm little behind, getting free Wi-Fi in Amsterdam is more conditional than expected (there's free Wi-Fi almost everywhere, it's just not always simple to get connected to it).
Hm, through the process of elimination there are very few people remaining, who can be Mordred if all info's true. There probably are 2 wolves left with one of them possibly being Mordred.
Kylaila is kinda scummy jumping on Gourd. Especially after finding Piano suspicious circa 36 hours ago. I don't really see her progression in that posts, it's like she's swayed by public opinion on an easy target. I still have her as a townread, but this makes me worry. Maybe I underestimated her.
@Gourd, I hope the interview turned out well. I also hope it's _just_ a summer or half-time job and that school goes well.
Also, I find your Piano case appealing. Another player who's good at picking up breadcrumbs would be Psy. But Piano would make more sense in this case as he possibly tried to pocket odd D1 by building up a townread on him, only to find himself at the bottom.
But it would only make sense if Piano is a non-mordred scum, who got afraid of Odd's perfect read.
Piano's response to the case was dismisive and not really in piano's favour.
Right now he feels little like wolf caught for wrong reasons.
Also, one thing someone probably said already. If this is a scenario without Mordred, succeeding missions is pointless.
Also, Hero have you seen Rembrandt in Rijksmuseum yet? 20 euro isn't the lowest admission...
