[MAFIA] THE RESISTANCE: AVALON MAFIA - GAME ON

...Huh. Maybe not. Especially if there are three other scum instead of just two.

I'm dead tired from work so I'm going to sleep. I'll try to contribute more tomorrow.

LockeZ
...why is accepting my own proposal necessary

That is a good question...

PlatinumAshes
It's just so weird that yesterday he proposed a team with YM in it and then voted to lynch YM in a post a few minutes later. That just feels so off to me, I can't figure out why he would do that. Actually he put his three most suspected players in a team together which is a horrible idea imho. One of them could sabotage if they think they have a good shot at framing the others. It could have disastrous consequences.

Okay, since this keeps coming up, here is the actual order of my decision-making process:

1. Read through stuff, find stuff to talk about, say something about it, and propose a team. Didn't actually think about the wisdom of the composition of the team, because...I don't know.
2. Go back and re-read to see what I missed because I'm really bad about that.
3. See a bunch of stuff about YellowMagic that kind of irritates me. Admission: I was more irritated with YM than anything. I'm not particularly fond of being shamed for meta-gaming, and then to just flat out ignore stuff...even if she did flip scum.
4. Make a post calling out YM and voting on him without even considering that it conflicts with my proposal.

So, yeah, my reaction to YM was more emotional than anything. Like I told Gourd, I wasn't going after him for being quiet. I was going after him for the content of what he was posting when he wasn't quiet. I kind of let my aggravation take over my reason where YM was concerned. Then, and this is after the fact, but the way he dropped just totally burned me up. I would have been less angry if he had just told us to fuck off.

Random thought: YM was lynched more out of convience than out of reads (at least to me), scum players might have wanted to play it fair and just continue, since they'd know YM is townie. (so it'd be like a no-lynch day with 1 nk for scum already)
That's assuming they are as frustrated with the situation as we are.
The time might have played a big part though, especially given it was in the more like european morn timezone (I left my house around 8 this morning)

And more since I posted so lemme see..

ah fk. #lynch gourd

Hello, I am here! o7 Would've been here earlier but I had an interview this morning the promptly fell into a coma...!!

I'll read and give some thoughts - It mostly looked like some discours on piano plus people thinking I havent been doing anything again.

Alright, here's a scum read I think you guys will find more compelling than "gourd is a hesitant!!"

One of the few nightkills that scum has performed was odd. If scum killed him, they may have thought that he was Merlin. If scum were to think he was merlin he'd have to be naming scum on his scum list and/or acting strangely. I think we should assume he was doing both. Odd was saying things about how merlin would breadcrumb *if* he was in the game at all. Obviously, merlin is in this gameso this might have alarmed scum. odd also put out this list of reads:

author=oddRABBIT
Uh, in terms of reads... So far, Piano gives me an odd feeling, but that isn"t backed up by anything and is simply random.

So far, I do think Muffle is suspicious because of her weird Merlin-is-Psy statement, so I agree with Ozzy there. It may have been a slip-up on her part, but I do think it to be really suspicious.

Ozzy still feels suspicious to me, but the majority of people think he's Lancelot? If that's the case, he's basically confirmed town I think?

I do think scum missing the night kill was strange. Probably they did hit Lancelot

In this post, piano was at the very top of odd's scum list (and odd was also right about a few other things which I left in there). I don't think this is damming on it's own, but worth looking into. scum piano might have took these things to mean odd was merlin.

so, has piano been behaving strangely? Well, yes!

piano has advocated lynching the people he's proposed on teams twice. This is anti-town behavior because we know that it will cut down on the info that town gets:

author=pianotm

PlatinumAshes
Why is piano putting YM in the team while voting to lynch him at the same time? I'm pretty sure we lose the quest that way.

Because I thought of it AFTER proposing the quest. I'm pretty sure the quest resolves before the lynch. But you know what, you're right. I didn't even think of it.

#cancel accept
#deny

author=pianotm
I'm here! I'm alive! Six hours of sleep became four hours of sleep due to allergy attacks. Yay, me!

#accept OzzyTheOne, LockeZ, psy_wombats

I, however, am not feeling so good about psy_wombats. Anyone remember day 2 when he tried to propose me, himself, and demonlord again after we had had a successful quest?

Another point - piano said earlier that he doesn't go after players for being quiet, but didn't have any qualms for voting for YM. He said later that it was an emotional decision, but I'm not sure that's true. Why completely contradict himself like this if he knows that scumhunting quiet players usually ends poorly? Because of what YM said? I don't really buy it anymore - he should be taking into account that YM has been quiet if he knows that scumhunting quiet players doesn't end well for him. Look at our discussion after I pointed it out. doesn't it seem hypocritical? Here:

author=pianotm

Gourd_Clae

author=pianotm
I'm not going after Yellow Magic because he's quiet. Read the lynch post. I'm going after because when he DOES post, he's doing stuff that is rubbing me the wrong way. He hasn't been very pro-town with his behavior. That he was on actual scum doesn't matter because it was Oberon and if he was scum, had no way to know she was scum.

Okay, that's fair, but if you know that scumhunting quiet players usually results in them flipping town I feel like you should have at least some more reservations about casting a lynch vote for him.

I'm gonna let you do you though!

At least this I agree with:

#Accept PA, LockeZ, yellow

If it were anyone but Yellow Magic, I'd be bothered. YES, YELLOW! I'M metagaming.

I agree that NOT hunting quiet players is a good way to conduct yourself btw. That's probably why he hunted a quiet player.

Then, when scum didn't nk anyone after YM was lynched... why? I can think of a few reasons, but what might have happened is that scum thought YM was Merlin. Scum thought YM was merlin, and so they thought that ozzy would die in place of YM upon if town lynched YM. So, for their nk, they targeted YM assuming he would be alive in the night. Keep in mind, piano was actively hunting YM.

Here's some metagaming too since YM isn't here to complain~ piano has been pretty chill the entirety of this game. In previous games piano has been very aggressive, latching onto any suspicious behaviot and not letting go until he was satisified. Doesn't he feel like he's been a lot more passive this game? This game he has been on the bandwagon lynch at the end of the day every time. (tbf there haven't been many times we got to the end of the day)

Now, here's a more substantial thought that hasn't been brought up in a while. I brought it up earlier. There is NO way scum didn't bandwagon on IF in the beginning. Who was voting for IF?

author=Jeroen_Sol
InfectionFiles: 6 - Kylaila, pianotm, psy_wombats, demonlord5000, Gourd_Clae, LockeZ
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Everyone on this list is alive. Why have we not lynched any of these people?? It gets worse when I consider that psy, demon and lockeZ read town to me. And I KNOW I'm town. That only really leaves ky and piano as suitable candidates for being scum in my mind. But, piano takes precedence for me because he has done other things that are strange (see above points)and also seemed... to gleefully lynch IF? Go back and look. He posted a gif. It felt weird to me at the time and I think this might be why.

The latest in strange behavior is advocating assuming there is mordred for some reason? This isn't the worst thing to do, but considering everything else he's done this could very well be knowledge he has because he is scum. He might not just be "assuming" there is a mordred. Maybe he just knows!

This isn't quite everything... Still trying to collect my thoughts a little, but I think there is other evidence that he is scummy which I will try to collect in a hot second

Gourd_Clae
I agree that NOT hunting quiet players is a good way to conduct yourself btw. That's probably why he hunted a quiet player.

The quiet player that led a scum-hunt. Important point.

Here's some metagaming too since YM isn't here to complain~ piano has been pretty chill the entirety of this game. In previous games piano has been very aggressive, latching onto any suspicious behaviot and not letting go until he was satisified

And lynched town.

to gleefully lynch IF? Go back and look. He posted a gif. It felt weird to me at the time and I think this might be why.

I agree that NOT hunting quiet players is a good way to conduct yourself btw. That's probably why he hunted a quiet player.

...led a scum-hunt.

QUIET