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Feldschlacht IV
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CloseThe first time I 'drank' when I was about six years old, I snuck a drink of some liquor or something at a function between the older members of my family. I thought the shit was gross.
The times after that were events like Thanksgiving and New Years Eves and such with my family (mostly cousins). Getting buzzed with my cousins is one thing, but I'd never dare to get drunk in front of the older members of my family, but even then, drinking in scenarios like that was never really a big deal so getting LOL SOOOO SMASHED was never really part of my mindset.
That didn't start till college. That's when I got drunk out of my mind with buddies, wandering around Downtown, and rambling nonsense at McDonalds with my (equally drunk) friends giggling all the way. I've also puked a few times, but I don't think I've ever gotten alcohol poisoning before, though. Reading all this, it sounds pretty pathetic, but it's a life experience that's definitely fun to look back on and I've always considered it worth it to do it at least once. Do not make a habit of it, though. All in all I never got hurt or anyone else hurt by being stupidly drunk.
However, getting buzzed/drunk with a significant other is good times!
The times after that were events like Thanksgiving and New Years Eves and such with my family (mostly cousins). Getting buzzed with my cousins is one thing, but I'd never dare to get drunk in front of the older members of my family, but even then, drinking in scenarios like that was never really a big deal so getting LOL SOOOO SMASHED was never really part of my mindset.
That didn't start till college. That's when I got drunk out of my mind with buddies, wandering around Downtown, and rambling nonsense at McDonalds with my (equally drunk) friends giggling all the way. I've also puked a few times, but I don't think I've ever gotten alcohol poisoning before, though. Reading all this, it sounds pretty pathetic, but it's a life experience that's definitely fun to look back on and I've always considered it worth it to do it at least once. Do not make a habit of it, though. All in all I never got hurt or anyone else hurt by being stupidly drunk.
However, getting buzzed/drunk with a significant other is good times!
author=Feldschlacht IV link=topic=3121.msg61492#msg61492 date=1234461286I can attest to this! One New Years none of our friends had ANY plans, so finally we said we'd host a party and everyone can just come over. NO ONE CAME (the bastards!) so the fiancee and I got drunk and played Amped on the XBOX all night. One of the best New years I've ever had.
However, getting buzzed/drunk with a significant other is good times!
Also, our dog knocked over my rye & coke and slurped up a lot of it. Stupid dog.
maladroithim
1495
author=kentona link=topic=3121.msg61491#msg61491 date=1234460842
I thought a martini was 2 drinks :(
Traditional martini recipe:
3 shots dry gin
1 shot extra dry vermouth
Shake vigorously with a generous amount of cubed ice (this is important - you want ice flakes in your martini)
Serve with olive or cocktail onion as garnish
"While variations are many, a standard modern martini is an approximate four to one ratio, made by combining approximately two ounces (or 55ml) of gin and half an ounce (or 15ml) of dry vermouth"
Sounds more like 2.25 drinks (vermouth is a wine)
Sounds more like 2.25 drinks (vermouth is a wine)
author=Feldschlacht IV link=topic=3121.msg61492#msg61492 date=1234461286
However, getting buzzed/drunk with a significant other is good times!
That's the problem, once I start I don't stop. I can't sit there and drink like, 3 beers I'll want to keep going until I'm smashed.
myersguy
292
If by "Blacked out" you mean your forgot events from the previous night, then I have.
I was drinking a plethora of things, and I ended up puking. After that, I remember waking up the next morning, saying "oh god, ohhhh god!" over and over again. Apparently I puked 3 times that night, and I had woken up about 15 times doing exactly what I did in the morning. Also, my tent was full of puke, and I had to wash all of my clothes.
Isn't drinking great?
I was drinking a plethora of things, and I ended up puking. After that, I remember waking up the next morning, saying "oh god, ohhhh god!" over and over again. Apparently I puked 3 times that night, and I had woken up about 15 times doing exactly what I did in the morning. Also, my tent was full of puke, and I had to wash all of my clothes.
Isn't drinking great?
I am Scottish and German and I know how to bartend, and I love to mix (one of my favorite hobbies). However, I have a trememdous respect for/fear of alcohol and anyone who doesn't is walking a dangerous line.
Alcohol is a substance. It has more bad health side effects than weed. It has destroyed countless lives. My mom's mom was originally married to a drunk who beat her (my grandma) and her son (my half-uncle) every night. One day he came storming in raging drunk and my grandma refused to tell him where my uncle was. He started beating the shit out of her and she called the cops. They shot him and killed him that night.
So many people I know have been touched in a bad way by alcohol. And yes, I drink, and so does my boyfriend, despite the repeated instances of alcoholism in our families. But it's important to remember that alcohol is a poison, that's why it works, is because it does funky things to your body and deteriorates your liver and your brain.
Oh, and the fact that the withdrawal alone from alcohol addiction can kill you... It's only marginally less dangerous than "harder" drugs, if at all.
Obviously making this substance illegal is not the way to go. But I take issue with the fact that this substance, which kills people every day and totally destroys lives, is somehow seen as more "benign" than marijuana, which has never killed anyone. ???
Alcohol is a substance. It has more bad health side effects than weed. It has destroyed countless lives. My mom's mom was originally married to a drunk who beat her (my grandma) and her son (my half-uncle) every night. One day he came storming in raging drunk and my grandma refused to tell him where my uncle was. He started beating the shit out of her and she called the cops. They shot him and killed him that night.
So many people I know have been touched in a bad way by alcohol. And yes, I drink, and so does my boyfriend, despite the repeated instances of alcoholism in our families. But it's important to remember that alcohol is a poison, that's why it works, is because it does funky things to your body and deteriorates your liver and your brain.
Oh, and the fact that the withdrawal alone from alcohol addiction can kill you... It's only marginally less dangerous than "harder" drugs, if at all.
Obviously making this substance illegal is not the way to go. But I take issue with the fact that this substance, which kills people every day and totally destroys lives, is somehow seen as more "benign" than marijuana, which has never killed anyone. ???
author=G-Flex link=topic=3121.msg61345#msg61345 date=1234391713
And here's Max McGee here to explain exactly why YOU'RE a bad person for not toking up!
Seriously though, a lot of drugs are pretty goddamn dangerous, although it does depend on use and a whole bunch of other factors. Cigarettes are a bitch, even, and so is alcohol if you don't know what moderation is.
And why would abstaining from anything make someone a "pussy"? Does everyone on Earth have to partake in every single possible substance they can? People sometimes choose not to do things. Maybe someone just doesn't want to snort coke.
You have managed to focus on the ~10% of my statement that was ironic. : )
I have had alcohol poisoning twice, too. I completely remember the entire night, so I suspect that when people claim they had "blacked out" they are lying. Both times I was on the verge of dying and could not even move in bed without throwing up the following day and did not eat for over 24 hours - but I never blacked out.
I think alcohol effects different people in different ways. Some people black out- I never have- and some people just get really disastrously sick, which I am more prone to. Also there are different levels of alcohol poisoning. I had it almost as bad as you, but not quite.
The following is a cautionary tale, kids. The moral is not "don't drink" but it is "know your limits".
It was only like, my second time drinking ever so I had no tolerance and my liver was still a newb. It was my freshman year of college. I remember before leaving we "pre-gamed" (ugh so stupid) with a few beers and then did some shots of jack out of a listerene cap. Then we went to a party where I drank at least two cups of GRAIN ALCOHOL (more or less 100% alcohol by volume i.e. 200 proof) mixed with hawaian punch. It might also have been paint thinner mixed with hawaian punch. There's really no way to tell the difference by taste or color. Anyway I also had at least two more cups of punch spilled on or near me by this dumb girl that I was friends with, so as a result I was ejected from the party. I was still in a happy mood, so much so that I attempted to hug a tree. BIG MISTAKE! When I went to put my arms around the tree, it stabbed me directly through the eye with one of its branches. It seriously fucked up my right eye; it has never really healed and sometimes hemorraghes when light first hits it upon waking in the morning. I should have gone to the hospital, but I was too drunk. Instead I went to the hospital and went to sleep. But then I woke up, sat up in bed, and vomited all over myself and my sheets, completely drenched them. I then for some reason wandered out to the common room of our suite where I was watching family guy and eating popcorn in my underwear until someone asked me, I don't know, why I was out there eating popcorn and watching family guy with vomit on my socks.
My suite mates were kind enough to help me drag my sheets off of my bed and into the filthy shower of the suite to be washed. I tried to go to sleep again but I couldn't and I stayed up all night tossing and turning in agony on a bare mattress because of the terrible pain in my eye (it hurt equally bad to close it or leave it open) and a blooming hangover of incredible intensity. I tried to go to the campus health services only to find that apparently, they weren't open on weekends. My eye was still horrendously enflamed. I tried to do my laundry in that condition. If you have never attempted such a thing, you do not know what hell is.
Now here is the bad part; my girlfriend, a straight-edge teetotaler who didn't even know I was a drinker, was coming to visit me. That day. And I knew about it. So I had to go meet her at the bus...wrecked from a hangover (in fact, alcohol poisonining) and with basically one eye. BOY WAS SHE HAPPY TO SEE ME.
Tyranos
1115
Marijuana isn't evil you say? Have you ever seen a marijuana rage? Have you punk!? seven people came in and cleaned me out of cheetos! DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT DID TO MY BUSINESS!?
(insert LOL smiley here)
Seriously though. As a businessman in the food industry I support anything consumable. It just means I make more money. Also in places where prostitution is legalized...you know what go see for yourself. The prostitutes are healthier, safer, and cleaner. Why? Because it's a business and you want your product to sell the best your girls being your product. A pimp named slickback comes at one of your employees with a switchblade your brutes go at his ass with shotguns. Point being that they would have unions most likely and be treated as well as other employees which while not great right now is better then they are being treated on the street. The best part is that it gets taxed.
Marijuana? Tax it and make it legal. It's no more harmful then Burger King or Jack in the Box. Why not just get your money out of it by taxing it? Porn should be taxed too while we are on the subject of taxing things. Also some people consider porn a drug. I don't though.
Heroin? Make it legal and have injection centres. Tax it. Cocaine? Tax it. Polluted Air which some people huff to get high? Tax it. Demonic possession? Tax it.
Why fight against your darkside/vices when you can take advantage of it/them? Tax and control them.
I never found any interest in drugs. They serve no purpose in my gaining skill so therefore I label them a waste of time. At least a video game can help build coordination.
Now drinking I never got into because someone once offered me some and I thought it tasted like shit. I once had a wine that tasted like grape juice though and I wish I could remember more about it since I do tolerate a little wine with every dinner. 2 ounces to be exact.
(insert LOL smiley here)
Seriously though. As a businessman in the food industry I support anything consumable. It just means I make more money. Also in places where prostitution is legalized...you know what go see for yourself. The prostitutes are healthier, safer, and cleaner. Why? Because it's a business and you want your product to sell the best your girls being your product. A pimp named slickback comes at one of your employees with a switchblade your brutes go at his ass with shotguns. Point being that they would have unions most likely and be treated as well as other employees which while not great right now is better then they are being treated on the street. The best part is that it gets taxed.
Marijuana? Tax it and make it legal. It's no more harmful then Burger King or Jack in the Box. Why not just get your money out of it by taxing it? Porn should be taxed too while we are on the subject of taxing things. Also some people consider porn a drug. I don't though.
Heroin? Make it legal and have injection centres. Tax it. Cocaine? Tax it. Polluted Air which some people huff to get high? Tax it. Demonic possession? Tax it.
Why fight against your darkside/vices when you can take advantage of it/them? Tax and control them.
I never found any interest in drugs. They serve no purpose in my gaining skill so therefore I label them a waste of time. At least a video game can help build coordination.
Now drinking I never got into because someone once offered me some and I thought it tasted like shit. I once had a wine that tasted like grape juice though and I wish I could remember more about it since I do tolerate a little wine with every dinner. 2 ounces to be exact.
Heroin? Make it legal and have injection centres. Tax it.
No no no, do not ever make heroin legal ever. That is just too dangerous to ever condone in any way, shape, or form.
maladroithim
1495
I think the strongest argument for the legalization of many drugs is public safety!
Research of the alcohol prohibition eras in the US and Canada shows that prohibiting alcohol resulted in huge increases in violence and illegal trade. The mafia had a difficult time in the United States until the prohibition of alcohol, for example, which is believed to be solely responsible for the growth of the criminal organization that persists today.
All illegal drug use is, naturally, linked to illegal trade. How often does a college student look at the marijuana he is smoking and think about the drug cartel that probably produced it? Illegal trade necessitates violence, because there is no government body providing protection and a fair market for the product.
Kentona: Where did you get that martini recipe? That is the wrong ratio. Too dry! Also, a standard martini glass comfortably holds exactly 4 fluid ounces of liquid - four shots, or 3-4 drinks.
I am serious about martinis >:(
Research of the alcohol prohibition eras in the US and Canada shows that prohibiting alcohol resulted in huge increases in violence and illegal trade. The mafia had a difficult time in the United States until the prohibition of alcohol, for example, which is believed to be solely responsible for the growth of the criminal organization that persists today.
All illegal drug use is, naturally, linked to illegal trade. How often does a college student look at the marijuana he is smoking and think about the drug cartel that probably produced it? Illegal trade necessitates violence, because there is no government body providing protection and a fair market for the product.
Kentona: Where did you get that martini recipe? That is the wrong ratio. Too dry! Also, a standard martini glass comfortably holds exactly 4 fluid ounces of liquid - four shots, or 3-4 drinks.
I am serious about martinis >:(
Sam
2200
I drink quite regularly. Never enough to lose control of myself, but enough to remove some of the barriers between my brain and my mouth. Some of the things I regret saying after a few drinks...
I always have a stock of beer in the fridge, there's wine, sambuca and various mixers in my cupboard, but they usually only come out for special occasions and I casually drink a couple of beers a day. It's like grabbing a coffee. That said, I only usually have two a day if that.
I've experimented with various drugs, none of which appealed to me, and none of which I got addicted to, thankfully. I've also only messed around with minor drugs, I've not even gone within ten feet of what you'd classify as an "A Class" drug.
I figure a lot of drugs are less harmful than many substances available legally. Hell, alcohol can have a bigger effect on me than weed. I actually consider cigarettes to be worse than half the stuff I've tried.
As to the point of legalising marijuana? Yeah, it should be legal because it's not very harmful at all. It's like Tyranos said, in places where prostitution is legalised, the prostitutes get a better deal, are healthier and tested for sexually transmitted diseases. It works much better.
The reason why a lot of youths abuse drugs and alcohol is because it's forbidden, and they feel they're proving a point to their peers. If alcohol were legal for a fourteen year old to drink, he'd be unable to brag everytime he had some, and therefore be likely to drink less. If you can get your hands on forbidden fruit, people tend to look up to you, if anyone and everyone can get hold of it, you have no ability or reason to show off.
Take Italy for example, they don't have a legal drinking age, and they don't have a problem with alcoholism because everyone's brought up around it and has access to it, which lowers their interest in it.
Just my thoughts.
I always have a stock of beer in the fridge, there's wine, sambuca and various mixers in my cupboard, but they usually only come out for special occasions and I casually drink a couple of beers a day. It's like grabbing a coffee. That said, I only usually have two a day if that.
I've experimented with various drugs, none of which appealed to me, and none of which I got addicted to, thankfully. I've also only messed around with minor drugs, I've not even gone within ten feet of what you'd classify as an "A Class" drug.
I figure a lot of drugs are less harmful than many substances available legally. Hell, alcohol can have a bigger effect on me than weed. I actually consider cigarettes to be worse than half the stuff I've tried.
As to the point of legalising marijuana? Yeah, it should be legal because it's not very harmful at all. It's like Tyranos said, in places where prostitution is legalised, the prostitutes get a better deal, are healthier and tested for sexually transmitted diseases. It works much better.
The reason why a lot of youths abuse drugs and alcohol is because it's forbidden, and they feel they're proving a point to their peers. If alcohol were legal for a fourteen year old to drink, he'd be unable to brag everytime he had some, and therefore be likely to drink less. If you can get your hands on forbidden fruit, people tend to look up to you, if anyone and everyone can get hold of it, you have no ability or reason to show off.
Take Italy for example, they don't have a legal drinking age, and they don't have a problem with alcoholism because everyone's brought up around it and has access to it, which lowers their interest in it.
Just my thoughts.
Demicrusaius
877
Can we at least take Marijuana out of the "Class A" drug category?
According to the government, Marijuana is in the same category as crack and heroine!
And can we talk about Salvia for a second? Why is that shit legal, but not pot? I've never been more fucked up than when I smoked Salvia. I didn't even know where I was!
And seriously... Micheal Phelps losses his Kellogs sponser? PLEASE! I eat Frosted Flakes for dinner if I'm stoned. But Fun-Onions called him the next day, so it's all good.
I'm sure that it's only a matter of time it's legalized, given all the false information out there. Let's destroy the pot head stereotypes.
According to the government, Marijuana is in the same category as crack and heroine!
And can we talk about Salvia for a second? Why is that shit legal, but not pot? I've never been more fucked up than when I smoked Salvia. I didn't even know where I was!
And seriously... Micheal Phelps losses his Kellogs sponser? PLEASE! I eat Frosted Flakes for dinner if I'm stoned. But Fun-Onions called him the next day, so it's all good.
I'm sure that it's only a matter of time it's legalized, given all the false information out there. Let's destroy the pot head stereotypes.
author=brandonabley link=topic=3121.msg61633#msg61633 date=1234544653
I think the strongest argument for the legalization of many drugs is public safety!
Research of the alcohol prohibition eras in the US and Canada shows that prohibiting alcohol resulted in huge increases in violence and illegal trade. The mafia had a difficult time in the United States until the prohibition of alcohol, for example, which is believed to be solely responsible for the growth of the criminal organization that persists today.
All illegal drug use is, naturally, linked to illegal trade. How often does a college student look at the marijuana he is smoking and think about the drug cartel that probably produced it? Illegal trade necessitates violence, because there is no government body providing protection and a fair market for the product.
Kentona: Where did you get that martini recipe? That is the wrong ratio. Too dry! Also, a standard martini glass comfortably holds exactly 4 fluid ounces of liquid - four shots, or 3-4 drinks.
I am serious about martinis >:(
As a bartendrix I do know the correct answer to this one. A martini (the standard ones, not fruity) are always 2 oz of gin or vodka, with 3-5 dashes of vermouth in. Dry is 1-2 dashes. Extra dry is none.
Fun fact: it is CHEAPER to order an extra dry martini than it is to order two shots of vodka or gin. And you're getting served something identical.
author=Demicrusaius link=topic=3121.msg61642#msg61642 date=1234546912
Can we at least take Marijuana out of the "Class A" drug category?
According to the government, Marijuana is in the same category as crack and heroine!
And can we talk about Salvia for a second? Why is that shit legal, but not pot? I've never been more fucked up than when I smoked Salvia. I didn't even know where I was!
And seriously... Micheal Phelps losses his Kellogs sponser? PLEASE! I eat Frosted Flakes for dinner if I'm stoned. But Fun-Onions called him the next day, so it's all good.
I'm sure that it's only a matter of time it's legalized, given all the false information out there. Let's destroy the pot head stereotypes.
Right on, brother. Weed is decriminalized here, so the worst case scenario is a $25 ticket if you get caught with it. Of course that's if you have under an oz and it's not all bagged up because then you're going to jail for intent to sell.
My friend got one of these UPMs (Unlawful Possession of Marijuana) not too long ago and the cop was abnormally cool about it. He took a pinch of the bag and said "This is all I need for evidence, you can keep the rest." I guess the morale of that story is don't keep dutch guts in your car, it's a dead giveaway.
maladroithim
1495
author=aprilschild link=topic=3121.msg61654#msg61654 date=1234552084
As a bartendrix I do know the correct answer to this one. A martini (the standard ones, not fruity) are always 2 oz of gin or vodka, with 3-5 dashes of vermouth in. Dry is 1-2 dashes. Extra dry is none.
Spoken just like someone who never drinks a martini . . . . . . . . . .
Demicrusaius
877
author=Masamune link=topic=3121.msg61670#msg61670 date=1234556679
Right on, brother. Weed is decriminalized here, so the worst case scenario is a $25 ticket if you get caught with it. Of course that's if you have under an oz and it's not all bagged up because then you're going to jail for intent to sell.
Do you live in Oregan or something?
author=Demicrusaius link=topic=3121.msg61680#msg61680 date=1234560825author=Masamune link=topic=3121.msg61670#msg61670 date=1234556679
Right on, brother. Weed is decriminalized here, so the worst case scenario is a $25 ticket if you get caught with it. Of course that's if you have under an oz and it's not all bagged up because then you're going to jail for intent to sell.
Do you live in Oregan or something?
New York.
